Maura Murray

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Hey snowy who exactly are you referring to when you are saying someone "rants on and on abou MM's "hotness" factor"
Are these posts on topix your talking about or another forum because I'm really now sure who you are referring to. I've never seen anyone make a rant about maura's "hotness factor"

I have seen it here on this forum but cannot remember the poster who said this.

Hi all,doing the google and i see the umoc cabin is maybe 7 or 8 miles past the best western and of course Bethlehem is right there.I emailed the umoc people a while back and the person said the police had been in touch with them.I noticed no pictures on there site for feb 2004 and i did read way back they would be posted.take care philip

A few years late to the party on Floyd, Bob. It makes good fodder for copy on Topix, but he is well known to the authorities, and is apparently resolving his obligations/debts to the system and to society. I think the situation is well under control.

If listening to a scanner is suspicious behavior, then we may have to regard Anne differently. Not your average potato boiler; no, sir. Something funny happening over there in that kitchen. Did she peel them first? I hear that's what we do with oranges.

As for McKay, he can't be killed twice, so whatever you want to hang around his neck won't make a difference, although I feel certain his young daughter knows there are jackasses out there capitalizing on the misery of her loss.

Somehow, the belief systems of conspiratorial minds have congregated with their keyboards...right here on Topix. Vast conspiracies.
Gotta run.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Yes this is really in the logs.Just because he cleared Littlton at 7 does not mean it places him right near Maura. It would depend on the direction he went after clearing this call. Maybe I misunderstood way back but I thought McKay was a Franconia officer?

no your definitely right citi, and now reading my post I should have worded that differently. Just because he cleared littleton at 7 does not definitely place him anywhere near that accident site. In reality we don't know where he was for those 2 hours between 7 and 9. What I was trying to say was that if he left littleton at 7 he could potentially be in the area at the correct time. All I was trying to say that the drive time would be correct, but that does not mean he definitely was placed at the scene.

McKay definitely was a franconia officer. Was it him at the motel or was it tropper JKM? Are we confusing the 2 of them here?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Yes this is really in the logs.Just because he cleared Littlton at 7 does not mean it places him right near Maura. It would depend on the direction he went after clearing this call. Maybe I misunderstood way back but I thought McKay was a Franconia officer?

Citigirl...you're right..McKay was with the Franconia PD...he was dispatched to Littleton (with other officers) that night...then "cleared" as reads the GCSD Log....
AND, of course we don't have a clue which roads he took from there...

SnowyB wrote:

It is interesting to watch the evolution of the "thinking" out loud, if you can call it that...moving from one scenario to the next in the quiet, vacant space of not knowing what happened to MM.

Interesting that even dead people are objects of targeted blame. All the better when they can't talk back. Unabashedly ignorant, you must whip up hysteria from old headlines...old news. Bits and pieces...cramming it together to make it fit.

This is how you have, collectively, trivialized Maura Murray's name and the cause for her disappearance...and have reduced her cause to "entertainment". The absurdity of your discussions reflect fantasies, not facts.

Your above points are applicable to the majority of anonymous unmoderated discussion forums and news commentary sections online. Heated debates and unfounded fingerpointing solve little except to provide temporary cheap thrills to the commenters imo.

I too laugh when I read the comments of web sleuths online, with no disrespect aimed at the grieving families. I scan for updates and new information, scarce or nonexistent as those may be on forums such as this one.

In my downtime I take pleasure in pointing out the ironies and hypocrisies. Knowing in advance my words will fall on deaf ears rarely stops me.

Power to the pony.

Mr Mister E wrote:

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Your above points are applicable to the majority of anonymous unmoderated discussion forums and news commentary sections online. Heated debates and unfounded fingerpointing solve little except to provide temporary cheap thrills to the commenters imo.
I too laugh when I read the comments of web sleuths online, with no disrespect aimed at the grieving families. I scan for updates and new information, scarce or nonexistent as those may be on forums such as this one.
In my downtime I take pleasure in pointing out the ironies and hypocrisies. Knowing in advance my words will fall on deaf ears rarely stops me.
Power to the pony.

Oh, my. Web-soot must have its own set of degenerates doing boots-on-the-ground reporting. I don't visit there.
The takeaway, IMO, is that while Maura's disappearance is a mystery everyone would like solved (I think that may be the only point of universal agreement), I believe there is more harm than good that comes from any of these discussions.
The only thing you can hope for is swift resolution in cases reported by the media.
The arguing and the blame are not unique to this forum. To that end, I would never choose to become involved in this kind of conversation in the future.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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no your definitely right citi, and now reading my post I should have worded that differently. Just because he cleared littleton at 7 does not definitely place him anywhere near that accident site. In reality we don't know where he was for those 2 hours between 7 and 9. What I was trying to say was that if he left littleton at 7 he could potentially be in the area at the correct time. All I was trying to say that the drive time would be correct, but that does not mean he definitely was placed at the scene.
McKay definitely was a franconia officer. Was it him at the motel or was it tropper JKM? Are we confusing the 2 of them here?

Good question there. Was it officer McKay or possibly state trooper JKM at the motel?
Is there any way to find out for sure in the available logs?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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no your definitely right citi, and now reading my post I should have worded that differently. Just because he cleared littleton at 7 does not definitely place him anywhere near that accident site. In reality we don't know where he was for those 2 hours between 7 and 9. What I was trying to say was that if he left littleton at 7 he could potentially be in the area at the correct time. All I was trying to say that the drive time would be correct, but that does not mean he definitely was placed at the scene.
McKay definitely was a franconia officer. Was it him at the motel or was it tropper JKM? Are we confusing the 2 of them here?

Is it normal procedure for LE to leave there jurisdiction in NH to go to another town? I have seen this happen several times in the past while up there. It always struck me odd because of the witness that heard the arguing in there back yard over jurisdiction.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Is it normal procedure for LE to leave there jurisdiction in NH to go to another town? I have seen this happen several times in the past while up there. It always struck me odd because of the witness that heard the arguing in there back yard over jurisdiction.

Yes, because of the low populations of the area towns and sometimes only 1 or 2 police for each town. ie May 9, 2012 Journal Opinion front page..(can be found on Net) "Large Arm Cache Seized in Haverhill"....members of area police from Bath, Piermont, Enfield joined....with SP....etc

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Good question there. Was it officer McKay or possibly state trooper JKM at the motel?
Is there any way to find out for sure in the available logs?

Wouldnt the State police have an entirely different set of logs than Local LE???

mcsmom wrote:

Findmaura, I share your point of view.
Photos of the Kenney / McKay scene show a red truck in front of a barn.
It is surreal.
44 is a number I've associated with Maura's case.

If you dont mind,could you explain that last sentence?Thanks.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Is it normal procedure for LE to leave there jurisdiction in NH to go to another town? I have seen this happen several times in the past while up there. It always struck me odd because of the witness that heard the arguing in there back yard over jurisdiction.

Was it ever determined what time the witness heard the arguing over jurisdiction?Its odd they would argue over it.

findmaura, I agree...as well as the individual
Towns....Grafton County Sheriff's Dispatch Log would be a seperate accounting.
From memory...didn't JKM join Smith for the Becket School call in Benton, after Maura's accident.
ps McKay was in the "area" NOT "at" motel...

From a Boston Magazine Article:
"Kenney got back into his car and tried to drive away, but McKay brought his car nose to nose with Kenney’s, blocking his path."

Interestingly familiar to note the mention of "nose to nose".Is this common in a pullover?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Is it normal procedure for LE to leave there jurisdiction in NH to go to another town? I have seen this happen several times in the past while up there. It always struck me odd because of the witness that heard the arguing in there back yard over jurisdiction.

Yes, in New Hampshire that is definetly normal operating procedure. NH is a mutual aid state, i believe its called, this basically means that all jurisdictions share resources and whoever is closest or in the best position to respond will. This is due to the above state reason that resources are limited up there. Most towns have very smalle polic forces of just a few cops, if even that. The state police have jurisdiction over the whole state.

This is why the whole argument over jurisdiction doesn't seem to make any sense, why would they be arguing over jurisdiction?
Something just doesn't make sense with that argument.

Citi- Does that information come from a trusted source? Were you, or someone in your family, told that info directly from the witness who claimed hearing the argument?

I'm just trying to determing the credibility of the statement because it's such a weird thing to hear in NH and I'm trying to decipher what it could possibly mean.

findmaura wrote:

From a Boston Magazine Article:
"Kenney got back into his car and tried to drive away, but McKay brought his car nose to nose with Kenney’s, blocking his path."
Interestingly familiar to note the mention of "nose to nose".Is this common in a pullover?

The vehicle reportedly seen "nose to nose" with Maura´s car was allegedly marked #1. Would McKay really have been driving #1?

Tow truck drivers may fight over jurisdictions?

hannah_b wrote:

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The vehicle reportedly seen "nose to nose" with Maura´s car was allegedly marked #1. Would McKay really have been driving #1?

It was dark..Maybe that wasnt accurate?

I would think that it's Highly unlikely that the truck reported by the witness was McKay, didn't the witness state that on the side of the truck she saw HPD 1 labeled on the side?
It was an HPD truck that was on the scene, not franconia. Besides for the fact that I think the witness would have noticed that it was a Franconia cop because that would be highly odd for a Franconia cop to make it all the way down to Haverhill for a call. That would be something very rare and I would think that the witness would've notice, she seemed pretty observant