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amy researches wrote: Snowy,
We haven't always agreed, but I believe in putting aside differences and disagreements to give credit where it's due. I agree with your assessment about this discussion doing more harm than good.
I've come to a similar conclusion about my own contributions on this thread. I've publicly speculated on things that are none of my business, and no good has come of it. Although I've had the best of intentions, intent doesn't affect the outcome in these situations. Google doesn't forget, and this stuff has real lasting unmeasurable effects on people's lives. The potential damage is unknown...at least until somebody sues.(legal joke)
With nothing left of value to add here, I've chosen to remove myself from the conversation to focus on personal matters that deserve my attention.
On a personal note, I'll add for anyone reading that it doesn't feel good to become the target of topix-spawned accusations. This is something I've experienced more than once here, by more than one poster. My favorite was that I'm being paid to post here to cover for someone. I eagerly await that paycheck. LOL. At least no one has accused me of killing anybody - not to my face anyhow. Haha.
Back to Topix Rehab I go. Whomever said "Lord of the Flies" had it right. I'm rescuing myself from this hellish island.
I wish everyone here the best and hope that Maura will be found, justice served, and all of that. Once again. Peace, love and free peanuts to all.:-) Thank you for the nod and understanding my point of view. It's unhelpful for a subject this important to take on a dramatic life of its own....and, indeed, the actions and behaviors did and do affect "real" lives. Differences of opinion are one matter, but to witness the trampling of souls is another. Wishing you peace, especially on this day, as well.
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amy researches wrote: <quoted text>
I hope people will read this post of yours as many times as it takes to understand where you're coming from. They won't, and that depresses me, but I just want you to know that I heard you and get it. It's a real shame that most people never will see where you're coming from. Please take care. I, too, have read Phoebe's posts and understand them in their intended context. There are some younger people who truly "get it" here, and others, some much older, who are still being challenged to see the big picture. Sending best wishes to Phoebe, always.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: Snowy I read your post and you still have failed to show any damage done to any of these people. I'm talking real damage, not just some people talking about them online.
You bet your ass that with all this talk of potential damage that if there was any real damage caused we would've heard about it.
And it's not like we are just choosing random innocent people to pick on, ever notice how nobody ever questions the westman's? Why is that? because their story never changed in the slightest.
We aren't suggesting that the SBD lied, he did lie, on multiple occasions. He told at least 3 different versions of events, all differing on fairly major points. Nobody is getting on him because he was a good samaritan and tried to help, he was the last known person to see her alive and he's been caught in numerous lies. Sorry but his story deserved to be looked at very closely, when your the last person to see someone who is now missing and your caught lying about details, people are going to question whether you did something wrong and they are right to do so. Why did he lie to the family and to the public? What damage was caused to him?
As for the CW, he did not come forward weeks later, he was overheard talking about it to someone around town. Why didn't he bring his new info to LE? But again, where is the damage done to him? He's doing just fine according to all accounts, so what are you talking about?
The ex cheif had 4 dui's?? Really? Haverhill didn't have a better guy than this to make cheif? How did this idiot become the cheif of police? The bigger question is whether he was on scene or not. HPD1 was his truck, and it was saw on the scene, yet he claims to not have been there, so what is going on? How is this so hard to figure out?
As for the poster who confused him with Smith, come on is this the worst thing that happened to him? THe poster confused the 2 and was then corrected immediately and then corrected themself. So anybody who read the first post could read right below it and realize it was a mistake. That is real damage?
Smith lied to the family, straight up. Why? WHy would he lie to the family of a missing girl? Do you not think thats wrong? WHy should we believe anything he has to say after he's caught in a definite lie? After being caught in a lie shouldn't anything he say be brought under higher scrutiny?
Also its pretty obvious that his accident report is seriously flawed. How is it that a TC repair man and a tow truck driver have a much more accurate depiction of events than a sworn police officer? WHy is it that their stories fit much better with the damage to the saturn than what was written on Smith's report?
But Smith actually went on to become cheif, and then left for other emplyment, so he's obviously doing pretty good for himself. Where's the damage caused to either of these guys? Smith clearly is doing well and the ex cheif brought all damage onto himself.
I hear people talk about this damage all the time, but once again nobody can show even the slightest bit caused by these forums, not even a little. remember, a few people questioning someone's lies online is not real damage, not even close.
These are people that have been caught in lies and doing strange things around the dissapearance of a young girl, some scrutiny of their words and actions are warranted. I am not surprised to have failed to communicate to you how I believe damage has occurred by free-floating speculation. Amy's mention of one thought in particular brings up important questions in my mind....how does this become our business? to feast on? to solve? to accuse/blame or judge? If you see no harm done, I'm certainly not the one to convince you otherwise.
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Clearly some posters on topix aren't the only ones who think Floyd is a violent individual capable of committing heinouse crimes. Here is a quote by Chief Robert Every, chief of the Easton Police department(FLoyd's town): "All of us have made mistakes in our lives; in Mr Floyd's case the bahavior extends beyond a mistake; there is a pattern, a pattern of past violence, paranoid behavior and excessive anger. While no one can predict the future, I feel Mr. Floyd is capable of showing up at Lafayett Elementary School, or at a neighbor's house, with an automatic weapon" Pretty chilling. If the CW's sighting of Maura is to believed she was last seen pretty close to this guy's house, cutting up a dirt road that very well may have been his dirt road. H definitely would have heard this on his scanner and known that there was a girl who was already missing possbly walking his way. The duct tape/hair found by the hunter was found within a couple miles of Floyd's house. This all happened right in this buys back yard, so to speak. He is a violent man who seems obsessed with violence and killing, he also is a sexist fuck with past history of violence towards women. IMO this guy should be looked at hard and I really hope the story of LE digging on his property looking for evidence is true. Obviously LE considers this guy to be dangerous. Snowy, i notice that you included FLoyd in your list of people that could potentially be damaged. Really? your defending this guy? I'm sorry but any and all talk about him has been brought on by himself, he's been talked about being a violent individual in the media. It's not like people are just randomly choosing innocent citizens to pick on here, this guy clearly has a history and definetly fits the profile of a serial killer/thrill killer. How can you possibly defend this guy? Any damage to his reputation was clearly done to him by himself long before anybody ever made a post about him on topix, or any other site for that matter.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: Snowy, i notice that you included FLoyd in your list of people that could potentially be damaged. Really? your defending this guy? I'm sorry but any and all talk about him has been brought on by himself, he's been talked about being a violent individual in the media. It's not like people are just randomly choosing innocent citizens to pick on here, this guy clearly has a history and definetly fits the profile of a serial killer/thrill killer.
How can you possibly defend this guy? Any damage to his reputation was clearly done to him by himself long before anybody ever made a post about him on topix, or any other site for that matter. I've spent a good amount of time considering the matter; a few years, in fact. I haven't walked in his shoes, thank goodness...or McKay's , or Liko's. I doubt you have, either. We are all flawed and imperfect human beings.
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yea well thats the whole thing snowy, there should be no need to convince someone of damage. It's either happened, or it hasn't. If theres been real damage it should be pretty easy to show, would it not? WHy is it that you have to try to convince people of this so called damage? After 8 years is there really absolutely no damage to show? Again, I'm talking about real damage, not just some people talking on a message board. If there was any real damage caused you can bet your ass that people would be talking about it over and over again, as evidenced by the one poster who went on and on about their dog going through their sliding glass door because someone looking for maura walked through their yard. As if it's the searchers fault that the dog is poorly trained. This is not damage caused by the search for Maura, that is clearly damage caused by a poorly trained dog. The dog has no way of knowing if that person is looking for maura or if theyre a neighbor looking for their dog. We heard crying about this for weeks, mostly because the searcher should have asked permission before searching. Well if your dog is so crazy that it's gonna go through a glass door because someone walked into your yard then how is someone even gonna be able to knock on the door to ask permission? The crazy ass dog is gonna go through the glass before they can even get there to ask. There should be asbolutely no need to try to convince people of damage, if damage took place, than show us how and why it took place. there should be no debate over this, if damage happened than show us. Again, I've probably asked this question a hundred times and always get crap about potential damage. well ok, but if no damage has been caused in 8 years I think we are on terra firma here.
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As for the poster mason and the harrassment that he supposedly experienced; He clearly laid out a case that Fred Murray is the one who is responsible for Maura's dissapearance, and he sure did lay out a strong circumstantial case. So if he did experience harrassment that must mean that it came from the murray family or one of their supporters, corect? Sure wouldn't be LE or any of the locals up there because mason did a great job at shifting away any blame from up there, so it would have to be the murray family. Wasn't this guy from down south; tennessee or kentucky if i'm not mistaken? Are we really supposed to believe that the murray family went down south to harrass this guy into stopping his posts? Does that make any sense? As far as I know there are very very few people down south who have ever even heard of this case, I've certainly never heard of some crazy supporters down south that would be willing to go harrass this guy. Does this make sense to anybody? Does this not seem crazy? Did the Murray family really harrass this guy or what? He sure doesn't post anymore, is that the reason? Was he harrassed into not posting anymore?
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Mcsmom, did your post previous to this one just vanish? The one about why CS looked up the tailpipe and found the rag, and there was a reason they didnīt search east or possibly just shoddy work?
I too have come to believe they didnīt search east for a reason. There may have been a witness withheld from the public, SBD or somebody else. Maybe Aftermath was right after all, that evidence at the accident scene were overlooked. Question is, how would he know if he wasnīt there? The search east only went to 112 to the end of BHR because there were no footprints according to witnesses. One witness that was responing to the scene had said they had seen someone walking down near the Eddys and also said that CS had told them she probably went to visit a friend in the Mountain Lakes. The rag in the tail pipe? CS had told a witness that night that people from MA do that all the time. Another witness had seen some one walking on 112 toward 302. Could this be why h2 asked his partner if he had any luck locating the party or has she shown at the cottage? Maybe this is why the search went west and not east. It wasnt until months later that CW claimed to have seen some one running on his way home from work from Franconia.And it was not he who reported this to LE.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: hey mcsmom where are the pictures that show the melting on the floor of the car?
That could be evidence that the car was in fact driving with the rage clogging the tailpipe.
If a rag is in the tailpipe the car would start, because it's not an airtight seal. But the car won't run long because the motor would be burning way to hot and rich due to being unable to properly exhaust the motor.
The muffler would get hot quick, particularly after a 3 and a half hour drive when it already was hot.
I really want to view those pictures, can you plese link them or tell them where I can find them? I'm looking for them and I've seen them before but I cant seem to find them right now http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/MauraM ... you have to blow up the photo
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mcsmom wrote: <quoted text> http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/MauraM ... you have to blow up the photo mcsmom, Thanks for the link, but it seems that the photo(s) has/have been delayed or moved for some reason...
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My post above should, of course, have read:
It seems that the photo(s) has/have been deleted or moved for some reason.
Where is this edit button again???
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i got the same thing, photos were deleted or moved. Citi- Smith surely wasn't talkin about the rag in the tailpipe when he said people from mass do this all the time, right? I thought he was referring to the car being left on the side of the road. I thought he said someting to the effect of: People from mass come up here and leave their car on the side of the road all the time after a crash to go snowmobiling or skiing and then return to the car later. He wasn't trying to say that its common for people from mass to put rags in their tailpipe was he? That seems like a really strange comment to make as I'd bet that this was the only car that he's ever found in his whole career that had a rag in it's tailpipe. Has anybody ever heard of anyone putting a rag in their tailpipe when on the road? Besides troubleshooting old cars I've never heard of this in my life, and I'm very familiar with cars. In Highschool I worked at a garage doing oil changes for 3 years. I've just never heard of anything like this, its certainly not normal bt any stretch of the imagination.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: i got the same thing, photos were deleted or moved.
Citi- Smith surely wasn't talkin about the rag in the tailpipe when he said people from mass do this all the time, right?
I thought he was referring to the car being left on the side of the road.
I thought he said someting to the effect of: People from mass come up here and leave their car on the side of the road all the time after a crash to go snowmobiling or skiing and then return to the car later.
He wasn't trying to say that its common for people from mass to put rags in their tailpipe was he? That seems like a really strange comment to make as I'd bet that this was the only car that he's ever found in his whole career that had a rag in it's tailpipe.
Has anybody ever heard of anyone putting a rag in their tailpipe when on the road? Besides troubleshooting old cars I've never heard of this in my life, and I'm very familiar with cars. In Highschool I worked at a garage doing oil changes for 3 years. I've just never heard of anything like this, its certainly not normal bt any stretch of the imagination. according to what I was told by the witness he was referring to the rag. I told the witness I had never heard of this before and that people from Ma do not do this.
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The witness said the search only went west because there were no footprints? What does that mean? How does that make any sense? There wouldn't be footprints on the road going either direction, would there? The other question I have is about the witness who saw someone walking down by the eddys. Did they see a female walking down there? Did their description fit maura's at all or did they just see someone walking and have no description at all? And what about the other witness that saw someone walking 112 near 302. Aren't the eddys right off 112 near 302 or am I mistaken? wouldn't this likely be the same person saw by the other witness? Did they have any sort of description and did it match maura's? And what's up with Smith saying that she probably went to visit a friend in Mountain Lakes. Where would he get something like that from? Was he just completely pulling that out of his ass or did he have a reason to say that? Was he just trying to make it look like she wasn't missing? I just don't understand why he would say something like that if he had absolutely nothing to support that assertion, she's from mass, why mountain lakes because thats where a lot of people from mass have summer homes? Weird comment there. A
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mcsmom,
Thanks for the link, but it seems that the photo(s) has/have been delayed or moved for some reason... go back to page 869 post 17673 to view the photo.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: The witness said the search only went west because there were no footprints? What does that mean? How does that make any sense? There wouldn't be footprints on the road going either direction, would there?
The other question I have is about the witness who saw someone walking down by the eddys. Did they see a female walking down there? Did their description fit maura's at all or did they just see someone walking and have no description at all?
And what about the other witness that saw someone walking 112 near 302. Aren't the eddys right off 112 near 302 or am I mistaken? wouldn't this likely be the same person saw by the other witness? Did they have any sort of description and did it match maura's?
And what's up with Smith saying that she probably went to visit a friend in Mountain Lakes. Where would he get something like that from? Was he just completely pulling that out of his ass or did he have a reason to say that? Was he just trying to make it look like she wasn't missing? I just don't understand why he would say something like that if he had absolutely nothing to support that assertion, she's from mass, why mountain lakes because thats where a lot of people from mass have summer homes? Weird comment there.
A No what I said is the search only went east on 112 to the end of BHR because there were no foot prints. I can only say what I have been told. There were 2 seperate people that had said they had seen some one walking on 112.One down near the Eddys and the other one was seen on 112 heading toward 302. It is unknown if it were 2 seperate individuals walking or if infact it had anything to do with Maura. Im only stating what I was told. They did not have a discription other than seeing some one walking on 112 the night Maura disappeared.
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>No what I said is the search only went east on 112 to the end of BHR because there were no foot prints. I can only say what I have been told. There were 2 seperate people that had said they had seen some one walking on 112.One down near the Eddys and the other one was seen on 112 heading toward 302. It is unknown if it were 2 seperate individuals walking or if infact it had anything to do with Maura. Im only stating what I was told. They did not have a discription other than seeing some one walking on 112 the night Maura disappeared. citigirl, I imagine it would be a fairly unusual sight for someone to be out walking on Rte 112 on a fairly cold February night, certainly unusual enough for a witness to notice this. Just a thought: Could the person seen walking on 112 possibly have been Red Truck witness RO on her way between the store in Swiftwater village and her then home on Bunga Road? If not RO, perhaps the person seen walking on 112 might conceivably have been Maura? Without any time references or more precise geographical locations of the witness observation, itīs hard to say.
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>No what I said is the search only went east on 112 to the end of BHR because there were no foot prints. I can only say what I have been told. There were 2 seperate people that had said they had seen some one walking on 112.One down near the Eddys and the other one was seen on 112 heading toward 302. It is unknown if it were 2 seperate individuals walking or if infact it had anything to do with Maura. Im only stating what I was told. They did not have a discription other than seeing some one walking on 112 the night Maura disappeared. Hey citi-I understand your only relaying what you've been told, and thats cool, and I appreciate you trying to clear some of this stuff up. please don't think that I'm trying to get on your case here; Just trying to decipher what some of this means. Ok so someone told you that the search only went east to BHR because of the lack of footprints. I don't understand that because theoretically there shouldn't have been footprints leading either direction, its not like she was gonna walk in the snowbank. And the other side of this is was there footprints leading west? You would think that if they didn't search east because there were no footprints going that way then there was footprints leading west, but as far as I know there were no footprints leading anywhere, and there really shouldn't have been any, unless she was going into the woods. Was this witness told this by LE? Do you know who told them that by any chance? The eddys are on 112 down by the intersection with 302, right? Or am I wrong about that? I'm sure those witnesses had no idea someone was missing at that point so they didn't think to get a description of the person but they didn't have any idea whether it was a man or woman or even whether the person was big or small? It is interesting that there were so many people walking on 112 that night, particularly if the 2 people seen walking west down 112 weren't maura and were different people. I suspect that both people saw the same person walking, but I really have no idea whether to think if it was maura they saw or not. Thanks for answering the questions citi
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It is definitely unusual for there to be so many people seen walking down 112 in february. I've driven the road countless times in the winter and I don't recall ever seeing anyone walking on it at night. It's extremely rare to see someone walking down the side of a main road like 112 in the winter time and in reality its rare to see anybody walking down any roads at night in the February in NH. One thing though is that whoever was seen walking down by 302 definetly wasn't the witness RO. RO walked to the store form her house on bunga rd and than back to bunga rd. SHe definetly did not walk all the way down 112 to 302.
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Big Eddy is at the Swiftwater covered bridge..about 2?- 3? miles East of intersection of 112 and 302...(beautiful place)
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