Maura Murray

Criminals and bullies are liars.

Some in the Haverhill area have to have some idea as to what happened to Maura that night.

Why would some find the need to prattle and blabber about "you're a liar" except to deflect the real need for Maura's fate.

IMO, the area's unsolved murders is an embarrasement to the town's council.

It would take a very strong character to go to the "powers" to expose. Us "summer folk" can't count...(no voting power)

Billy, Billy, come on now buddy.

Someone said you own a certain # of houses.

You corrected him saying "you got your house count wrong, I own two" You then go on to say something about how actually you own the one in ct and the one in NH the bank technically owns; but you get full use of it.

Then you came back next post and said: "woooops, Typo, I own three houses" then you go on to say yo own the one in ct and the ones in NH the bank owns.

So clearly that wasn't a typo, its not a typo if you say it twice and are correcting someone. So what was that, we gonna invent a new word? it was a Posto?
Those quotes are from memory, so the exact wording might be a little different but you clearly did say all of that.
But its ok, I trust that you are honest the majority of the time and truly do believe most of the crap you post.lol

BTW, who the hell own's two vacation homes in NH anyways and why? NH isn't that big of a state why would you need 2 vacation homes in NH and why not get a third house someplace different?

I love NH, it is a great state to live, in reality I should live in CT or mass due to work but I still keep my house in NH just because it's such a better place to live than CT and Mass; but I still can't understand why someone would need 2 vacation houses up there.

My last Post was NOT directed toward anyONE...just to the foolishness that I read that has nothing to do with finding the truth as to what happened to Maura Murray.....
Geez...if Maura was my girl...I would not have been so polite....

it was a very good post shack, you made a great point.

It seems pretty obvious someone in the haverhill area knows maura's fate.

Really makes me wonder who these people posting here are trying to protect.
Why do they not want this conversation to happen?
What do they care if a few people they consider idiots discuss maura's case?

It's ridiculous, they state again and again how they don't care about Maura at all; yet they really seem to care about liars, wife beaters, criminals and even lawns. Whats with that?
How can they stick up for these people? What are they trying to hide?
They deflect the conversation and try to make it about anything but what happened to Maura.
I'm gonna have to learn to just ignore these idiots because in reality what do I care what they think? They stick up for wife beaters and criminals, must be some really great people huh?
Anybody with an open mind can go back and read the posts and judge for themselves.

Anybody ever wonder if trooper Jkm could have been the last one to see Maura alive?

Let me be clear here; I don't think Jkm did anything wrong or is any way connected to her dissapearance; as far as I know Jkm is a honest guy and cop. There is absolutely no reason to think he is connected to this.

But then why won't he answer a single question about what he did that night? He won't even confirm he was there; the only reason we know he was there is bc he stopped and spoke with RO briefly while he was driving 112 looking for Maura.
There was also 2 witnesses that saw someone walking west on 112; one near the eddys and another closer to 112. It's unclear whether these were the same people but I think it's safe to assume it was; just due to the fact of how many people are really walking 113 at night in February,

The state cleary said in court that the accident site was not maura's last known location, is it possible that Jkm stopped and talked to her while she was walking?

We know from witness starements that she wasn't intoxicated. She could walk and talk fine, her motor skills were not impaired as far as I can tell.
So at that point, about 20min after the crash, she had committed absolutely no crime. The empty Coke bottle wasn't found until after the car was towed, about an hour later.
it is not a crime to leave tour car after a single car accident, your under no obligation to stay with your car.
So if jkm stopped and spoke with her he really would have had no reason to hold her, If he didn't think she was intoxicated.

If that was what happened I can see Jkm not wanting to answer any questions about that night. He doesn't want people to blame him for not holding her or even accusing him of abducting her. If he spoke to her & she committed no crime she has the right to refuse a ride from him.
It would make sense that he would just refuse to answer questions; if that happened he did nothing wrong and rather than lie It makes sense to not answer the questions. If he admitted that he would be opening himself up to speculation.

Does anyone think this is possible?
If that didn happen where could he last known location possibly be?

Bobjenkins-og wrote:

Anybody ever wonder if trooper Jkm could have been the last one to see Maura alive?
Let me be clear here; I don't think Jkm did anything wrong or is any way connected to her dissapearance; as far as I know Jkm is a honest guy and cop. There is absolutely no reason to think he is connected to this.
But then why won't he answer a single question about what he did that night? He won't even confirm he was there; the only reason we know he was there is bc he stopped and spoke with RO briefly while he was driving 112 looking for Maura.
There was also 2 witnesses that saw someone walking west on 112; one near the eddys and another closer to 112. It's unclear whether these were the same people but I think it's safe to assume it was; just due to the fact of how many people are really walking 113 at night in February,
The state cleary said in court that the accident site was not maura's last known location, is it possible that Jkm stopped and talked to her while she was walking?
We know from witness starements that she wasn't intoxicated. She could walk and talk fine, her motor skills were not impaired as far as I can tell.
So at that point, about 20min after the crash, she had committed absolutely no crime. The empty Coke bottle wasn't found until after the car was towed, about an hour later.
it is not a crime to leave tour car after a single car accident, your under no obligation to stay with your car.
So if jkm stopped and spoke with her he really would have had no reason to hold her, If he didn't think she was intoxicated.
If that was what happened I can see Jkm not wanting to answer any questions about that night. He doesn't want people to blame him for not holding her or even accusing him of abducting her. If he spoke to her & she committed no crime she has the right to refuse a ride from him.
It would make sense that he would just refuse to answer questions; if that happened he did nothing wrong and rather than lie It makes sense to not answer the questions. If he admitted that he would be opening himself up to speculation.
Does anyone think this is possible?
If that didn happen where could he last known location possibly be?

Bobjenkins,
A very interesting post there.
We do know from red truck witness RO that trooper JKM briefly stopped and spoke with RO while she was walking back home along Rte 112 after having finished her shopping at the Stage Stop Store in Swiftwater village.
As you mention, we then have the apparently two witnesses in Swiftwater who saw a person (likely one and the same) walking on or near Rte 112. I agree that this person could have been Maura.
If that really were so, we would obviously have to conclude that the CW (RF) must have been seeing a different person than Maura near the Rte 112/Rte 116 intersection near Easton or that the CW was mistaken or for some reason was making things up.

I always got the feeling that for whatever reason the CW made that sighting up.
You gotta remember the fact that the CW did not go to LE with that story.
Rather he was overheard saying it around town and then LE approaches him about it.
At that point he prob felt like he had to stick to his story or look like a real piece of work for making something up regarding a missing person.

Idk, I would think that if he really did remember that 2 months later he would've brought it to the cops before telling people around town, but that's just me.

The PI frank Kelly aka "weeper" who worked with the family & used to post on the old mmm forum was convinced that for whatever reason the CW made it up. He felt, & I agree, that the CW was trying to shift the focus away from someone or from that specific area, which was where he lived.

I never found his story particularly credible, it just doesn't make sense. The whole thing; him not noticing the accident scene; him realizin 2 months later that he got the date wrong. The whole thing just stinks

Why he would choose to make up a story like the we will probably never know but it sure looks like he did. I don't think he had anything to do with her dissapearance but makin up that story sure did backfire on him. Looks like he was trying to shift the focus away and in the process actually shifted the focus directly onto him. That statement led to a lot of speculation on the old mm forums; & rightfully so. Anyone who is suspected of lying about a missing person deserves a serious lookin at..just like the sbd....he told many lies and that LE's to a real lot of speculation about him; again rightfully so

Shack wrote:

Interesting article..front page of today's Caledonian Record "Target Safety" ref: Melissa Jenkins, Pat O'Hagan, Brianna Maitland and Maura Murray.

That article was hysterical. I fully support anyone's legal right to own firearms. I have several handguns and have permits to carry in NH and CT.

But, drunk people carrying firearms can lead to additional charges, so Maura was likely lucky she wasn't carrying at that time. It just would have likely lead to more charges being brought if she was at the car. Making a college girl who was drunk when she crashed her car as the poster child for carry is ridiculous. Most states have laws about carrying while drunk. And likely Maura wouldn't have been missing if she just stayed at the car.

That is some funny shit using her a the poster child about handgun carry.

Bill

I just reread the article about the latest Cold Case Candia District Court Collins. I found it interesting because the slain's brother was "persistant, nagged the police and was a pain"

"Every cold case is different," Strelzin said, adding that sometimes technology and scientific advancements bring new clues.

"But often it's simply just the passage of time," Strelzin added. "It can hurt you in a case, but it can also help you. People's allegiances change. People end up deciding to do, let's say, the right thing"

Shack wrote:

My last Post was NOT directed toward anyONE...just to the foolishness that I read that has nothing to do with finding the truth as to what happened to Maura Murray.....
Geez...if Maura was my girl...I would not have been so polite....

Oooops. Someone spotted who she was talking about, after she wrote the post.

Bill

Bobjenkins-og wrote:

Anybody ever wonder if trooper Jkm could have been the last one to see Maura alive?
But then why won't he answer a single question about what he did that night?

Let me ask you this. Who won't he answer a single question to? What do you base that statement on?

This is just one more example why you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You misundertand and misinterpret the things you read and then you base your crazy assumptions on those misunderstanding.

You say that Trooper Monahan won't anser a single question? Are you saying he didn't speak to the Troop Detectives? Are you saying he didn't tell ANYONE where he was that night?

Again, it's just another blatant example of how you truly have absolutely no clue what the fuck you are talking about, it's absolutely ridiculous.

What do you know about Law Enforcement? Criminal Investigations? Do you know that John spoke to the investigators many many times over the years? I spoke with him at least half a dozen times over the years.

WHo didn't he answer any questions to again?

And this is what you base your ASSumption that I was not a cop on? On your own (lack of) knowledge of how LE works?

You are so stupid, it's really quite funny. And sad. And Pathetic.

Maybe I should have worded that a little differently. I'm sure JKM told LE what he did that night, I was pretty much assuming that was a given.

He won't answer questions posed by the family or the media, which is strange. If all he did was show up there and take a ride around looking for her then what's the problem?
You would think when Fred asked this question he would be happy to answer "yes, I took a ride around looking for her but I didn't see her?

WHy won't he do that?

Could he be the last person to see her alive? That would make a lot more sense as to a reason that he just simply won't answer any questions; he doesn't want to lie to the family and at the same time he doesn't want to open himself up to all the speculation that is bound to come along with being the last one to see a missing person alive.

Actually FrmLE I base my knowledge that your a liar on you numerous lies and total fabrications, like when you said that the federal government provied you with several new identities. lol, do you really think people believe this crap?

Why don't you answer a question for us and clear this up once and for all.

your story is that you were a state police; you never personally worked Maura's case but you've been granted access to the case file. Is that your story?

I'm sure you won't answer this

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

He won't answer questions posed by the family or the media, which is strange.

Is it strange? Really, is it? Based on your experience conducting criminal investigations, it's strange that he won't speak to the media or family?

Let me help you out. Not only is it not strange, it is in fact State Police Policy to NOT COMMENT on active criminal investigations unless you are the lead investigator and you have been given the go ahead by your chain of command.

The Trooper was specifically instructed to not speak to the media or the family, as we have all been instructed many many times. It is in out SOP's. If we violate this directive we are subject to diciplinary action.

Don't believe me? Do some research, ask any Trooper.

Again, just one more example of how little you know about what cops do and how things work. This is why I continue to say that you don't have a clue what you are talking about and your theories and opinions are baseless and absurd.

lol, you guys come up with the cheesiest shit here.

obviously he told the cops what he did that night.

I was talking about him not telling the general public.

If all he did was show up and take a ride around looking for her than what's the problem with answering a question to the family?
If he never saw maura than he clearly can't harm the case in the slightest by telling people he did that.

That is strange. You don't need to be a 20yr veteran of the police force to know that. This has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge of LE, come on. Can't you guys come up with something better than that?
Really grasping at straws here are we?lol, what a joke

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Actually FrmLE I base my knowledge that your a liar on you numerous lies and total fabrications, like when you said that the federal government provied you with several new identities. lol, do you really think people believe this crap?
Why don't you answer a question for us and clear this up once and for all.
your story is that you were a state police; you never personally worked Maura's case but you've been granted access to the case file. Is that your story?
I'm sure you won't answer this

The numerous lies I have told huh. Now, let me ask, this is based on your extensive knowledge of how Law Enforcement works, how U/C Narcotics Operations works, and your knowledge of how Criminal Investigations are conducted?

Yes, I can clearly see from your recent posts that you have a solid grasp of how we conduct business. Great point, you surely have convinced me!

If you spent more time reading older posts and less time hammering out useless theories and rambling diatribes, you would actually have the answers to the questions you just asked me.

I have answered both of those questions several times, I have in fact been very specific about my knowledge of this case and from where it comes.

Read more, ramble less.

OK FrmLE, I'll give you that one.
I didn't really think of that rule, which obviously is a rule and should be a rule.

I'm sure he's not allowed to comment on the case, he is a SP.

Which makes it all the more unbelievable that you would be an ex sp and be posting on this forum.

But you never personally worked maura's case right?
You were granted access to the case file, thats your story right?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

obviously he told the cops what he did that night.
I was talking about him not telling the general public.
If all he did was show up and take a ride around looking for her than what's the problem with answering a question to the family?

I just told you why he didn't tell the general public stupid. Seriously, can you read? Do you actually read anything that is written?

Read my post above yours, I told you exactly why he didn't tell the general public.

The thought of it is absolutely absurd, tell the general public? To do what? Satisfy the curiousity of a bunch of internet super slueths? Are you serious here?

It is an open, active criminal investigation! We don't tell the general public anything that doesn't help the investigation! We don't worry about making the internet hero's happy.

Ridiculous.

lol, are you serious dude??
When I made that post your post didn't exist yet.

If you read the post right above yours you would see that I agreed with you. You are right on that point
I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong.

But I'm really not even talking about the general public, I'm talking about the family.
Its pretty bad if the state cops won't let him answer a question to the family, or give them an answer for him. All they want to know is what he did that night, that would not mess up the investigation at all, in the slightest.