Maura Murray

After I went back and listened to Nancy Smith she seemed like a fish out of water and it was actually embarrassing for an AAG in my opinion. Why was she put in the position if she knew little about the case?

Snowy- let me ask you one more question that is bothering me. If you live in Gloucester mass What would be the draw of coming to the Floyd trial in NH?
it was really not a national case as you say. What is your tie to the Franconia area? i am not interrogating you but trying to understand you. I have never held back with my involvement.
Thanks

ok Snowy one more I lied lol

you say that after the Mckay ordeal that the Maura thread came up and you joined. may i ask did you join to communicate with old friends or did you care about the case- please be honest and thank you in advance.

jwb wrote:

ok Snowy one more I lied lol
you say that after the Mckay ordeal that the Maura thread came up and you joined. may i ask did you join to communicate with old friends or did you care about the case- please be honest and thank you in advance.

My feelings based on you saying that you would check in from time to time because there are people you care for says to me that that is the reason you are on the Forum and that you are not here because of Maura. That is the single thing that sticks out and irritates people.

Entertainment? never heard WTH say he cared about Maura either so to say he throws his hands up becaus ehe can't convert others is just plain crap sorry. Nobody buys it

Where do you stand with Mauras disappearance? means nothing to you? interesting ? don't care ? Just here for friends?

Do you understand what is driving the dagger? We feel diversion from all points of view including the known facts such as the dog scent is even disputed by Bill and that is Bullshit. No common ground and that raises eyebrows to say cover up for whom?

Do you understand me at all?

Have a great weekend everyone - I hope these questions and poss answers help everyone to move forward.I plan on putting Maura poster back up on the tree in the near future because it is the right thing to do.

whiston wrote:

....Mauras prior life was a mess and I would not like some of her family or distant relatives to live on my block.

Curious why you would say this, Whiston? Her prior life and what little I know of her family doesn't seem so bad to me -- good things, a few not so good things, sounds pretty normal. Possibly to HER something had reached the breaking point in her life, of course.

jwb wrote:

Have a great weekend everyone - I hope these questions and poss answers help everyone to move forward.I plan on putting Maura poster back up on the tree in the near future because it is the right thing to do.

Yes indeed, the right thing to do...praise for that.
There are so many people who agree for the hearts of the family members...even though many have given up due to so much negativity.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>Yes indeed, the right thing to do...praise for that.
There are so many people who agree for the hearts of the family members...even though many have given up due to so much negativity.

Negativity. I suppose attacking locals with no evidence wasn't negativity.

Most of the good people, the rational people, have left for a very simple reason. Everyone knows what happened to Maura. Don't know where she is, but we know what happened. We will know where she is, when she is found. The only people that stay here are the ones that love drama. The need to come up with new story after new story adding more and more drama to what is a very simple accident. The likes of which are repeated over and over and seen hundreds of times.

You are such a mindless drone. Spend more time behind your computer pounding out more of your nonsense. It's great comedy.

I expect to have a great time tomorrow. Let the drama here continue. Your making excellent progress.

Bill

I found this page because I wanted to investigate the Maura Murray case. The eerie truth is that what Beagle has said, although there is or may be no evidence is completely true. I have read into a lot of things about alien abduction or harvesting and stuff like that and everything he is saying seems spot on. I don't know if Maura was willing involved or not but I would lean to probably not. These aliens and evil beings tend to just do whatever they want. The ones behind the scenes are capable of some really messed up things that no one knows about. OK for you people who don't know about the evil shadow government, lets for a moment pretend that something like this (what Beagle has said) really was happening, not just to Bish or Murray but to hundres of thousands of other girls and children. IF it was going on, do you think there would be any ounce of it in the mainstream? No, there wouldn't. However in some peoples lives for one reason or another they want to find the truth. I really think this could be the exact truth. As for who Beagle is and who the police have not pursued it, is because either the police have agreed to be hush hush about it because they are following orders, or that Beagle is a police agent or pi trying to fish for information, although it would be a pretty gorilla type tactic to use. I do think Beagle or dirtbag could be the guy who killed his family in 1974 and escaped the mental institution. When I heard the theory of organ harvesting it really clicked in my head something like this probably happened. If you do deep occult research you will start to find that body parts are really important to some people or corporations. That baby fetus are stolen after abortions, all sorts of things. It really does not surprise me. The real way to stop it is to clue other people in but if you tell them that evil aliens, or evil people are doing things that Beagle described the first usual reaction is to not believe it. After all, there is no proof. I know that women are used in breeding experiments and things like that, and sometimes they tell their stories but are considered crazy. There is a much bigger picture here, there is some evil force kidnapping kids, and women, and using them and their organs. Also the cloning thing is true and people have been being cloned for a while. The rabbit hole goes on for a long time but if you REALLY want to know what happened, these are the things you start to find out if you take the quest for truth seriously. I still cannot say what happened for sure because I dont know but that something big and secret is going on and that these things are most likely happening because of an agreement the government made with evil aliens. Just my 2 cents

jwb wrote:

ok Snowy one more I lied lol
you say that after the Mckay ordeal that the Maura thread came up and you joined. may i ask did you join to communicate with old friends or did you care about the case- please be honest and thank you in advance.

Truth. I heard about MM in the MA news as soon as her disappearance happened and thought it odd someone could disappear so quickly. And I'm always a stickler for being safety conscious. I was new to the MM thread and didn't like to see a few people piled onto constantly by what I came to know as the ducks. Since then, I claim a select few as friends from this site.

Truth. For the record, you and I have never met or have had any contact outside of this thread, to include PM or email. Unless you are Columbo; and I know you are not.
And you know you are not.

dll wrote:

Citigirl was the vehicle registered to "just" Fred or was Maura on the registration too? Also I read on one of the old forums that at the time of the crash at the WB curve the gas tank was "practically" full. Is it possible that the "last Known" location, as discussed at the hearing, was when she last purchased gas? If she paid cash wouldn't a security camera provide a positve ID if/when compared to the ATM photo.

I'm re-posting this section of Nancy Smith's statement in case you missed it a few pages ago.

Judge: "How would the disclosure of maps and diagrams interfere with the investigation?"

Smith: "Um ... her car was found ... ah ah ... I, I have not reviewed the specific map and diagram, but I'm assuming, um, that it involves the area in which the disappearance occurred ... um, there were searches done, uh, there may have been maps done of the area searched and what they found or the point to which they could trace her, cause as I understand they, the dogs did trace her scent, uh, for about a hundred yards, um, and that information as far as the specific spot in which she disappeared, if they have a suspect if there is foul play involved, knowing exactly where we determined the last place she was uh could be valulable info to that person."

It is clear that Smith is unfamiliar with the case and is struggling to answer this question. Her statement has nothing whatsoever to do with any facts of the case and is simply her theory of a possible reason that maps and diagrams should not be released.

Again, it would be great if people would let this "last known location" being somewhere other than the accident scene/spot where the dog traced MM die, as it simply isn't an issue.

jwb wrote:

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My feelings based on you saying that you would check in from time to time because there are people you care for says to me that that is the reason you are on the Forum and that you are not here because of Maura. That is the single thing that sticks out and irritates people.
Entertainment? never heard WTH say he cared about Maura either so to say he throws his hands up becaus ehe can't convert others is just plain crap sorry. Nobody buys it
Where do you stand with Mauras disappearance? means nothing to you? interesting ? don't care ? Just here for friends?
Do you understand what is driving the dagger? We feel diversion from all points of view including the known facts such as the dog scent is even disputed by Bill and that is Bullshit. No common ground and that raises eyebrows to say cover up for whom?
Do you understand me at all?

When i first showed up, I STRONGLY advocated for MM and for the privacy of her family. Until I realized the bizarre intensity around the "coverup" about MM's life before her disappearance and the way local residents were treated by a cluster of women who claimed intimate knowledge of the dynamics of the Murray family.

Not to mention how Beagle was abused.

Anyone who had knowledge about the WP issue, a possible eating disorder, a possible drinking problem or another romantic relationship was distanced from this original group of women who drove the strong image of The All American Girl.

Some proof of issues Maura struggled with was eventually verified by Renner....and that is why I appreciate his efforts, regardlless of complaints made about his "journalistic integrity".

I can't speak for Bill; he speaks for himself. I respect his presumed professional experiences in S&R, his obvious intelligence; some trend toward his logical thinking.

Like you, I, too, am a strong personality...made more so by these forum experiences. Care about Maura? I've poured my heart out on this thread in the early days. No longer. Not when you witness a wall of silence and see peoples' goodwill exploited or manipulated.

Have you read Whitenoise's posts? He/she (I assume she) tells it just as it was. That person was here from the very beginning....as was Wowzer, and probably Bill. Whitenoise speaks to the abuses of the general public who came to help and were spat upon.
Bill speaks to Shack's history of failing to be honest and helping to drive untruths about MM's disappearance. He can correct me if I am wrong.

How did YOU miss this online activity all these years? Oh, and I've been working full-time and raising a family, as well. Why has this become a cause for you? Had you not heard about it until recently?

I am probably one of the most most determined and compassionate advocates you could know; born with a bleeding heart. I've considered that trait a personal strength and incorporated it into the nature of my work. However, while my kindness and heartfelt concern is freely given at first, once it is betrayed, it's done.
No doubt certain people have felt similarly throughout the history of these forums. Some leave wounded, some leave after they feel they have contributed and they're done, and some stand up and fight.

Real people with real emotions and brains engaged in communicating here with just words, and without the benefit of reading facial expressions and body language.
Frankly, I'm surprised you and one other hang on every word...and look for connections in places where they don't exist. I do understand, however, the orientation to this case by the majority of people is the intrigue for solving mysteries. I am not one of them.

We are all very different and differently motivated.
And the history of MM forums is very important...and divisive. I've detailed that as often as I have been able.
It's complicated, and not just what can be gleaned from a single comment or a set of posts.

Thank you Maruchan. I have seen it. I can see where Smith's statement could be interpreted that way. However I find it odd for Smith to be "unfamiliar" with the case given his initial involvement along with the criticism directed at Smith & HPD from the family & community. It's my understanding Smith was there at the request of the state to assist in defending their posisiton. It would be in the state's best interest for those with the most knowledge of the investigation be present. Another interpretation of Smith's statement could be he was attempting to choose his words very carefully & not accidentally divulge new information.

To be clear I'm in no way judging the court's decision. Even if I had been privy to every detail it would have been a tough decision to make. Nor am I questioning Maura's presence at the crash. My point was if the gas tank had been "practically full" then it's likely she stopped to purchase gas along the way. If so, Video surveillance could provide positive ID &/or more details. LE had/has the resources & authority to determine where she may have stopped for gas.

I've seen a lot of discussion about the "rag" but not seen much with regard to gas and was wondering if anyone knew more.

dll wrote:

Thank you Maruchan. I have seen it. I can see where Smith's statement could be interpreted that way. However I find it odd for Smith to be "unfamiliar" with the case given his initial involvement along with the criticism directed at Smith & HPD from the family & community. It's my understanding Smith was there at the request of the state to assist in defending their posisiton. It would be in the state's best interest for those with the most knowledge of the investigation be present. Another interpretation of Smith's statement could be he was attempting to choose his words very carefully & not accidentally divulge new information.
To be clear I'm in no way judging the court's decision. Even if I had been privy to every detail it would have been a tough decision to make. Nor am I questioning Maura's presence at the crash. My point was if the gas tank had been "practically full" then it's likely she stopped to purchase gas along the way. If so, Video surveillance could provide positive ID &/or more details. LE had/has the resources & authority to determine where she may have stopped for gas.
I've seen a lot of discussion about the "rag" but not seen much with regard to gas and was wondering if anyone knew more.

What I have quoted, which is where people have gotten the "last known location" info from, is actually what was said by Sr. Assistant Attorney General Nancy Smith, who represented the state in the Murray records appeal hearing. It is not Sgt. Cecil Smith of the Haverhill PD.

I watched the "Disappeared" episode again last night. One of the things that I still find really surprising was that none of the investigators called the condo owner in Bartlett. That should have been done the instant the telephone records became available, yet the number wasn't called until eight months after her disappearance, and then it was by Billy Rausch's mother, not LE. That is so incredibly inept - no wonder Fred Murray was pissed off.

So sorry Maruchan! I just reread my post. Although I know what I meant to say, I did an abosutely lousy job of conveying it! Too many Smiths & a bad habit of using pronouns in the mascaline gender (he,his,him). Freud would have field day with that! LOL Maybe because I was the only girl with four brothers?

For Nancy to go to court on behalf of the state unprepared would have been extremely disrespectful to ALL parties (the state,the family,the court & public). Especially when one considers the prior criticism by many (not just the family) of Cecil, HPD & NHSP's handling of the case. Knowing the details of the case and their significance with reguard to Fred's request would have been important. So was Nancy unprepared or deliberately vague? IDK

I agree LE should have followed up on the cell phone records as soon as the family confirmed Maura was missing. Fred had/has every right to be pissed.

SnowyB wrote:

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When i first showed up, I STRONGLY advocated for MM and for the privacy of her family. Until I realized the bizarre intensity around the "coverup" about MM's life before her disappearance and the way local residents were treated by a cluster of women who claimed intimate knowledge of the dynamics of the Murray family.
Not to mention how Beagle was abused.
Anyone who had knowledge about the WP issue, a possible eating disorder, a possible drinking problem or another romantic relationship was distanced from this original group of women who drove the strong image of The All American Girl.
Some proof of issues Maura struggled with was eventually verified by Renner....and that is why I appreciate his efforts, regardlless of complaints made about his "journalistic integrity".
I can't speak for Bill; he speaks for himself. I respect his presumed professional experiences in S&R, his obvious intelligence; some trend toward his logical thinking.
Like you, I, too, am a strong personality...made more so by these forum experiences. Care about Maura? I've poured my heart out on this thread in the early days. No longer. Not when you witness a wall of silence and see peoples' goodwill exploited or manipulated.
Have you read Whitenoise's posts? He/she (I assume she) tells it just as it was. That person was here from the very beginning....as was Wowzer, and probably Bill. Whitenoise speaks to the abuses of the general public who came to help and were spat upon.
Bill speaks to Shack's history of failing to be honest and helping to drive untruths about MM's disappearance. He can correct me if I am wrong.
How did YOU miss this online activity all these years? Oh, and I've been working full-time and raising a family, as well. Why has this become a cause for you? Had you not heard about it until recently?
I am probably one of the most most determined and compassionate advocates you could know; born with a bleeding heart. I've considered that trait a personal strength and incorporated it into the nature of my work. However, while my kindness and heartfelt concern is freely given at first, once it is betrayed, it's done.
No doubt certain people have felt similarly throughout the history of these forums. Some leave wounded, some leave after they feel they have contributed and they're done, and some stand up and fight.
Real people with real emotions and brains engaged in communicating here with just words, and without the benefit of reading facial expressions and body language.
Frankly, I'm surprised you and one other hang on every word...and look for connections in places where they don't exist. I do understand, however, the orientation to this case by the majority of people is the intrigue for solving mysteries. I am not one of them.
We are all very different and differently motivated.
And the history of MM forums is very important...and divisive. I've detailed that as often as I have been able.
It's complicated, and not just what can be gleaned from a single comment or a set of posts.

My opinion is that you fail to realize that the family was divorced and broken. There are many dynamics to this. A father that loves his daughter and a daughter that might be stuck trying to make everyone happy and just can't accomplish that. Mom was a nurse and dad was a control guy- But that doesn't mean yhey killed teir daughter or are bad people/ Dynamics ?? right there was lots of love for what I can see but also a split family ( marriage). This doesn't explain anger towards the family or to maura. No Family is perfect !!!

SnowyB wrote:

<quoted text>
When i first showed up, I STRONGLY advocated for MM and for the privacy of her family. Until I realized the bizarre intensity around the "coverup" about MM's life before her disappearance and the way local residents were treated by a cluster of women who claimed intimate knowledge of the dynamics of the Murray family.
Not to mention how Beagle was abused.
Anyone who had knowledge about the WP issue, a possible eating disorder, a possible drinking problem or another romantic relationship was distanced from this original group of women who drove the strong image of The All American Girl.
Some proof of issues Maura struggled with was eventually verified by Renner....and that is why I appreciate his efforts, regardlless of complaints made about his "journalistic integrity".
I can't speak for Bill; he speaks for himself. I respect his presumed professional experiences in S&R, his obvious intelligence; some trend toward his logical thinking.
Like you, I, too, am a strong personality...made more so by these forum experiences. Care about Maura? I've poured my heart out on this thread in the early days. No longer. Not when you witness a wall of silence and see peoples' goodwill exploited or manipulated.
Have you read Whitenoise's posts? He/she (I assume she) tells it just as it was. That person was here from the very beginning....as was Wowzer, and probably Bill. Whitenoise speaks to the abuses of the general public who came to help and were spat upon.
Bill speaks to Shack's history of failing to be honest and helping to drive untruths about MM's disappearance. He can correct me if I am wrong.
How did YOU miss this online activity all these years? Oh, and I've been working full-time and raising a family, as well. Why has this become a cause for you? Had you not heard about it until recently?
I am probably one of the most most determined and compassionate advocates you could know; born with a bleeding heart. I've considered that trait a personal strength and incorporated it into the nature of my work. However, while my kindness and heartfelt concern is freely given at first, once it is betrayed, it's done.
No doubt certain people have felt similarly throughout the history of these forums. Some leave wounded, some leave after they feel they have contributed and they're done, and some stand up and fight.
Real people with real emotions and brains engaged in communicating here with just words, and without the benefit of reading facial expressions and body language.
Frankly, I'm surprised you and one other hang on every word...and look for connections in places where they don't exist. I do understand, however, the orientation to this case by the majority of people is the intrigue for solving mysteries. I am not one of them.
We are all very different and differently motivated.
And the history of MM forums is very important...and divisive. I've detailed that as often as I have been able.
It's complicated, and not just what can be gleaned from a single comment or a set of posts.

You fail to realize the family Dynamics- Fred loved maura very Much. The family was split and that can cause many issues. No Family is Ideal so i just don't get the blame the family angle for careing and grieving about maura.

sorry for double posts the computer is acting strange

I could care less about your history or past with other posters. I live in the now. We haven't had a history together yet you insult me and like to write with a forked tounge. I believe you came here because the BM thing was over and you just wanted to hang with friends and you were beat up by Kingcast so you take out your frustrations on everyone else. You can't let go of the past, I am not part of your past nor is Jenkins. This has become a game and vigilante game for you as you could care less about Maura.

Somebody suggested on the other Maura thread she might have gotten to a truck stop after being spotted by CW, and hitched a ride with the wrong truck driver. Anybody know what truck stop this would be?