Maura Murray

findmaura wrote:

where did Jenkins dissapear to??

Your past posts clearly show that you are here just to fan the fire and start trouble .. IMHO you are enjoying every minute of it and I can only imagine the smile that is on your face.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text><snip> But lets not forget that there were 4 lie detector test given by LE.<snip>

Hi citigirl

"There were 4 lie detector tests given"

Do you know what that was about? To be clear, do you think police were trying to see if anyone was lying about what they saw that night? Because there were at least 2 homes where people looked out windows and/or came upon Maura at the scene of the wreck. One said she seemed to be shaken but didn't appear to be drinking. But then SOMEONE said she did appear to have been drinking. Or was it more individualized and concerning parties removed from the area of the weathered barn? Like a suspect? Someone thought to know where she was or maybe gave her a lift? Or was it because police had suspects? Can you say? I knew that the bus driver had been given a lie detector test, and that he was cleared.....but I had no idea 3 more people took this test. Maybe you can add something to this statement you made a long time ago.

Also, when Sharon got there, she said she could see where the car door had been swung open and against some snow. BUT, it wasn't until later that Fred found out the accident happened a little further on.

Wouldn't that make all these first impressions of a car door swung open, no footprints around the car,(or one set of footprints) null and void? How can it be both? Right there by the trees or 100 yards or so up the road?

Is there a chance police were trying to make sure that they had established exactly where the car was with the help of lie detector tests?

When the car backed up paralell to the road, could she have moved it away that much? Maybe the car stalled as she was getting going again? Any thoughts on this, citi?

Maybe she couldn't start the car back up again and thought there may be snow inside the tailpipe?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>It was PIs that searched the AFrame and took possesion of the carpeting. The carpet came back positive for blood. To this day it is unknown whether or not it was tested for DNA.

I'm going to say that it is pretty obvious that isn't Maura's blood. The house was nevered searched by police so that is the first sign that the LE's test came back negative.

Why would the PI's take the carpet if they weren't going to test it? Your telling me a case with very little facts and the possibility of finding a very strong lead as to where Maura is would be by testing that for DNA.

PI's would have tested that in a heart beat. Don't you think the owners or the tenants of the house would be arrested or questioned under the suspicion of having DNA of a missing girl in their closet?

Hi all,we don't know if L.E. ever searched the A frame house or if they declined any invitation.Someone,i assume,signed off on the logs for that night,someone decided where to search or not to search on Feb. 9 2004.Was it the same person in local L.E. calling the shots until the F,B.I. came along.What happened to Claude Moulton.It seems very strange to me to do a search after MrMurray gets the key for the A frame and not have L.E.present.If the dog in the A frame did scent on something why even touch it instead of calling in State Lab Techs.Maybe the request was denied.Still wondering what Maura did for seven hours after bending the Toyota and telling MrMurray. take care philip

GrampaMo wrote:

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If it wasn't tested then how did they know it was mestrual blood? Wasn't it shack that made that statement? She should know.

I never stated that the carpet was not tested. It was tested and the results of the testing of the carpet came back positive for blood. To this day it is unknown whether or not it was tested for DNA.

whiston wrote:

Hi all,we don't know if L.E. ever searched the A frame house or if they declined any invitation.Someone,i assume,signed off on the logs for that night,someone decided where to search or not to search on Feb. 9 2004.Was it the same person in local L.E. calling the shots until the F,B.I. came along.What happened to Claude Moulton.It seems very strange to me to do a search after MrMurray gets the key for the A frame and not have L.E.present.If the dog in the A frame did scent on something why even touch it instead of calling in State Lab Techs.Maybe the request was denied.Still wondering what Maura did for seven hours after bending the Toyota and telling MrMurray. take care philip

NHLE and NHSP were the ones investigating Mauras disappearance in NH. There was a meeting with FBI and NH SP and those investigating the Brianna Maitland case to see if the two cases were connected. The AFrame was searched during the Oct.2006 which was set up by PIs well in advance. LE was invited but declined the offer. Mr Murray never recieved the keys to the AFrame it was given to the PIs. Mr Murray was unaware that the AFrame was even going to be searched and he was no wheres near the area of the AFrame when this search took place. He was in another town.

findmaura wrote:

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I cant understand WHY it wasnt tested further.Or maybe it was&LE hasnt released that info..what else is known about the A-Frame in relation to Maura??Has the family discounted that location?

I dont know whether or not it has been tested further as I have already stated. "citigirl-To this day it is unknown whether or not it was tested for DNA"

FrmLE wrote:

My experience in handling suicides, both attempts as well as deaths, is that things rarely make sense. I think it is a mistake to attribute certain things Maura did prior to the accident, such as removing $280 or getting gas or gathering the insurance paperwork, to evidence that she would not have killed herself. In real life it just doesn't seem to ever be that neat and tidy.
Look at the suicide of Junior Seau, the football player. Nothing he did prior to shooting himself gave any indication of what he would do. It usually does not make sense to anyone other than the person feeling the pain, grief, despair.
One absolute thing I learned in my life and career as a cop is that NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS DEEP INSIDE ANOTHER PERSONS SOUL.
Even your spouse or lover, best friend, son or daughter, no matter how well we know someone we will never know what goes on deep inside their heart and mind.
That is the absolute truth.

I'm in agreement with you but have some questions if that's ok.

Was Maura's New Hampshire destination ever determined by law enforcement? She left spur of the moment and presumably with insufficient funds to rent a condo for a week, the amount of time she said she would be absent from class, to drive at night in a broken down car to go where and do what?

If my daughter did this then my first question would be where was she going, and I would cooperate in helping police find out that answer. If it is true that her father didn't cooperate, and he is not a suspect because there is no murder, is this normal behavior for a grieving parent?

Hi all,sorry Citigirl ,my mistake,it was the P.I.s' that got the A frame key.I think you mentioned MrMurray was in Warren at the time.A few months back you mentioned SBD seeing JKM arrive at the saturn first just wondering if you remember which way he came in.take care philip

GrampaMo wrote:

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Your past posts clearly show that you are here just to fan the fire and start trouble .. IMHO you are enjoying every minute of it and I can only imagine the smile that is on your face.

Is asking where Jenkins went starting trouble??I enjoyed his thoughts&effort..I come here to discus Maura.If it seems otherwise its because I get furious at times about the people here that try and distract the discussion..Its not funny at all.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I dont know whether or not it has been tested further as I have already stated. "citigirl-To this day it is unknown whether or not it was tested for DNA"

So can we ASSUME that it was tested. I mean if Fred attacked local LE and sued them for info on the case. I would think he would make sure he would test the carpet right? This would be info that he would want. If their was any like to Maura in that house the investigators would want to know that right? Why else would they search the house?

Did P.I's search Many houses in the area?I also wonder if that house had active phone service&a calling card could be used from within.

Didn't the PI's turn over the carpet samples to NHSP and it is unkonown from that if the tested for DNA. You would assume they did test but no results have been released.

JWB wrote:

Didn't the PI's turn over the carpet samples to NHSP and it is unkonown from that if the tested for DNA. You would assume they did test but no results have been released.

I guess if we assume they tested further&have not released the results there could be a reason..Could the A-Frame be Mauras "Last known location" as stated in the court proceeding?

findmaura wrote:

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I guess if we assume they tested further&have not released the results there could be a reason..Could the A-Frame be Mauras "Last known location" as stated in the court proceeding?

I was wondering the same thing, but Nancey Smith was sort of flighty or should I say out of her comfort zone. I am not sure why MRs Smith was asked to appear ib front of the judge as un prepared as she seemed at some points in the hearing. Mrs Smith was not totally clueless as to the case but a little shaky in front of the judge at best. It is Hard to say if there was a different last known place than the Crash site.

They do/did however have more than one person of interest and they did have a grand jury so it is possible that the A frame has relevance.

The last time I drove by the A frame it looked liked it hadn't been lived in in 8 plus years. Windows broken out and grass waist high.

findmaura wrote:

Did P.I's search Many houses in the area?I also wonder if that house had active phone service&a calling card could be used from within.

I don't have an answer to your question about an active telephone service, but I know eviction was July 2004...so one can only assume that there was likely still telephone service in February.

Just sayin

Today I was getting my license renewed up at Troop F and I wanted to go look at the car so bad but there were troopers everywhere ( lol ) and they are big dudes and the hats are very intimidating. I am not sure how close you can get to the fenced in area without getting a "hey you get the bleep out of there". I will try another time.

Just me--paris wrote:

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I knew that the bus driver had been given a lie detector test, and that he was cleared.....

Please quote anywhere this was said other than on Topix. You and Bill keep saying this. I've never seen it anywhere.

Or for that matter where it said anybody was a suspect to be cleared.

Not so wrote:

Or for that matter where it said anybody was a suspect to be cleared.

First we should find out where it is said who is a suspect and who isn't.