Maura Murray

Maruchan wrote:

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This reminds me of something I've never seen addressed anywhere. She goes to the trouble to alert her professors, but did she ever tell her supervisor at her security job that she would be gone? Anybody know?

I'm going off of memory, but I believe she sent the email to her nursing program and her two places of employment as well

Jenkins wrote:

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That is absolutely 100% wrong. Did you ever go to college? Have you ever known people that went to umass specifically?
She could have literally missed weeks of school or work and her parents would never have been notified, this isn't high school. Maura was 21, she was an adult. The school absolutely does not notify parents when students miss school or work, that's completely ridiculous.
If she missed work without an excuses absence, she would have been fired.
If she missed class she would have failed.
That's how pretty much any college I've ever heard of works, especially the large ones like umass.

I do recall several missing cases in which a university has notified the missing person's parents that their kid hasn't been attending classes.

And I also do know of several work places that have called around to inquire about when one of their adult employees (usually reliable) hasn't shown up for work and given no notice. It happens all the time as a matter of fact.

coeur de lion wrote:

Orko, you've focused the posters' attention pretty well here for the past few pages. Congratulations.
At the risk of repeating an earlier statement...
You have MM on a cell phone not far away from and just before the time Vasi was found.
You have MM in a serious meltdown not far away from and just after Vasi was found.
You have MM missing a few days later.
A lot of people could qualify for the first two, but not too many can meet all three criteria. The gambler in me says MM is the only one. Still, there is nothing that really connects all three criteria. All you have at this point is an improbable series of events. You need something that definitely ties them together.
The problem is that it's simply not unusual for people who disappear to talk on their cell phone before disappearing, and, possibly for very different reasons, have a meltdown before they disappear.
Also, you must make a clear distinction between car and driver. It is not certain how Vasi was injured, but let's assume for the moment it was from a car. While a driver directs the motion of the car, the driver herself almost never strikes the pedestrian. The car strikes the pedestrian. Which obviously means MM may have not been the driver of MM's car. Or MM may have been the driver of someone else's car.
You maintain, with good reason, that the story attributed by a newspaper writer to MM's boss is definitely not true. You claim that Melville and the Vasi location are much closer than first reported. Reported by whom?
Did MM's boss actually say this? Did the writer get the quote correct? How did this story get started? Where did it come from?

I agree that I have not made a factual link between maura and the vasi hit and run.

I also agree that people talk on their cell phones. People cry and People do get hit by cars all over the world.

I think the supervisor's desciption of maura's state is as big as anything for why I can't get past things.

maura, according to the supervisor, wasn't simply just crying or pouting because she was having a bad night or a tiff with someone. She was in an uncontrollable state. the supervisor really did not feel comfortable leaving maura alone (but had to return to her duties anyway).

Maura wasn't responsive to the supervisor when the supervisor first found her and maura (a perfectly athletic and in great shape young women) had to be physically helped to sign her name out and taken to her dorm.

You can say that people cry all the time or pout or whatever. But very few instances in life will someone -- at least how the supervisor describes --- be in the state maura was that night.

I doubt a no-nothing 20 minute phone call with her sister that happened hours earlier did the trick in upsetting maura so much.

Something of a more traumatic and immediate nature is what IMO I believe upset maura. so you have to look closer to the time maura was found (1 a.m ish) as to when something went down that upset her so much.

coeur de lion wrote:

Orko, you've focused the posters' attention pretty well here for the past few pages. Congratulations.
At the risk of repeating an earlier statement...
You have MM on a cell phone not far away from and just before the time Vasi was found.
You have MM in a serious meltdown not far away from and just after Vasi was found.
You have MM missing a few days later.
A lot of people could qualify for the first two, but not too many can meet all three criteria. The gambler in me says MM is the only one. Still, there is nothing that really connects all three criteria. All you have at this point is an improbable series of events. You need something that definitely ties them together.
The problem is that it's simply not unusual for people who disappear to talk on their cell phone before disappearing, and, possibly for very different reasons, have a meltdown before they disappear.
Also, you must make a clear distinction between car and driver. It is not certain how Vasi was injured, but let's assume for the moment it was from a car. While a driver directs the motion of the car, the driver herself almost never strikes the pedestrian. The car strikes the pedestrian. Which obviously means MM may have not been the driver of MM's car. Or MM may have been the driver of someone else's car.
You maintain, with good reason, that the story attributed by a newspaper writer to MM's boss is definitely not true. You claim that Melville and the Vasi location are much closer than first reported. Reported by whom?
Did MM's boss actually say this? Did the writer get the quote correct? How did this story get started? Where did it come from?

Muara murray's boss from her dorm monitor job had never been interviewed by police or media until James Renner did an interview with her right at the time he first began his blog. It is and stands as her only interview to date.

The area supervisor (maura's boss) has been on boards in the past making statements.

As far as the distance thing. I have seen several articles that falsely attribute Vasi's hit and run as taking place much further (From where maura worked) as what really was.

Most recently, James Renner on his blog also made the comment that the hit and run "happened in the city, a drive away from the university."

In the five-part series done on maura murray in the southshore express, the author stated that it was improbable that maura was involved because she would've had to leave work, walk to her car and drive downtown (hit and run was one block over) and return without supervisor noticing.

now i will conceede on the shouthshoreexpress mention of it that I could have just interpretated that wrong. The same article in a different spot does note that the hit and run was less than two miles from where maura worked.

I can't find it yet, but I know there was one article that left me the impression that the hit and run happened in an isolated area miles away from the campus in a seedy part of town.

If Maura had been involved in the Vasi hit and run, which I seriously doubt, would she really have waited from wee hours Thursday until Monday p.m. to leave? That would leave a lot of time for police to come knocking on her door.

hannah_b wrote:

If Maura had been involved in the Vasi hit and run, which I seriously doubt, would she really have waited from wee hours Thursday until Monday p.m. to leave? That would leave a lot of time for police to come knocking on her door.

Well I was hoping we were done talking about the hit and run link because there is no 100 percent proof of maura's involvement.

However, I have made the argument that a young 20's female's first reaction (after calming down somewhat) would be to get in touch with parents and have them help her deal with it.

That is why I kept bringing up her father coming up that weekend, despite it being a pretty nasty (from a weather standpoint) kind of weekend and him coming from hours away.

We have been told that her father visits her routinely and we have also been told that maura's car was two cranks away from falling apart into two million pieces and therefore she would rather crawl to destinations as opposed to getting in her beat up raggedy old car and risk driving to the grocery store for instance.

Being told something and actually being fact are two different things and even bill could appreciate that.

So if one is to believe the maura-vasi hit and run link then IMO one might speculate that the father came into town to help maura with damage control and work out a plan to get rid of her car and FOR THE BIGGEST REASON OF ALL, try and calm his daughter down.

bottom line. I don't think a young 20's female (who was in a hit in and run and was the perp) but regretted it later, would be in the kind of condition to get rid of her car, wipe away all the evidence, establish alibi for herself and carry on with life as nothing had happened ... without the help of someone they trusted with their life.

All of this is opinion and meant to be part of a theory as opposed to having some credible facts that support it.

Damage control? They went to a pub.

hannah_b wrote:

If Maura had been involved in the Vasi hit and run, which I seriously doubt, would she really have waited from wee hours Thursday until Monday p.m. to leave? That would leave a lot of time for police to come knocking on her door.

I agree with this. Also, would she have gone out to dinner with her dad and friend, gone to a party at the dorm, gone car shopping (if that's what they actually did), packed up her dorm, placed phone calls to ski resorts, gotten insurance forms, all this, if she was distraught and afraid she would be arrested for the hit and run?

I see how some of your theories connect, but I also see much more how the other circumstances overrule them.

Question for WTH or FRMLE:

In looking at the two vt cases that Northfield and Danby vt. Danby found only a skull and sent it to I want to say Univ of Texas while Northwood not only found a skull but found additional body parts and sent them to FBI forensics.

Why would they send their findings in different directions? Is it because one finding had more body parts to go on?

followup : don't states have their own forensics dept? Why send them out in the first place?is it that some locations might have a highre expertise?

I can see a higher expertise as far as having advanced DNA but these are just bones etc.

I welcome your responses(clothes on please) or any one reading this that may have some feedback.

Maruchan wrote:

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I agree with this. Also, would she have gone out to dinner with her dad and friend, gone to a party at the dorm, gone car shopping (if that's what they actually did), packed up her dorm, placed phone calls to ski resorts, gotten insurance forms, all this, if she was distraught and afraid she would be arrested for the hit and run?
I see how some of your theories connect, but I also see much more how the other circumstances overrule them.

Bingo- If she did gou out with her best friend , one would think that would have confided with her about things. Maybe she did right, and kate kept it to herself.

Good points maruchan! just when you think all angles have been thought of.

cont: or maybe nothing happened with vasi etc and maura never conveyed anything to kate.

hannah_b wrote:

If Maura had been involved in the Vasi hit and run, which I seriously doubt, would she really have waited from wee hours Thursday until Monday p.m. to leave? That would leave a lot of time for police to come knocking on her door.

Hannah,
Your point makes sense, provided that it was Maura driving the car.
As I keep repeating ad nauseam, her Saturn might have been driven by a friend of hers ("secret" boyfriend or not).
If it was not Maura behind the wheel hitting Mr Vasi (theoretically), then she would not be in quite as deep a hole as she would otherwise have been. However it was still her car - or rather Fred Murray´s legally speaking - and the car would still need to be taken care of. Perhaps - if the Saturn actually hit Mr Vasi - it was being hidden from view at some remote parking spot until the Monday.
Why don´t leave before the Monday?
Good question indeed, but perhaps Maura´s friend was unable to get up north before then.

hannah_b wrote:

Damage control? They went to a pub.

Most of the damage control I was referring to was to maura herself.

If the theory of the hit and run and her father coming to town holds any merit, then I believe her father would've had quite the chore of trying to calm his daughter down and keep her in a rational mind.

The fact that a typically dependable, smart, driven and responsible young woman goes on to have two separate alcohol related wrecks in a 48 hour span would indicate that the father wasn't fully successful in calming his daughter down and she was still troubled by whatever took place that thursday night/early friday morning.

I think (if i was a father in that situation) I would try and do everything and anything (go somewhere to talk, send her off with friends as a distraction) try and assure her that life would be OK, etc,,,

But again, this is definitely not factual in nature, but apart of a theory instead.

Is there another accident your talking about that we aren't aware of?
She clearly wasn't drunk during the Hadley accident, a cop was on scene.
In the town of Hadley there is absolutely no way she is getting away without a DUI if she was drunk, no way. Don't matter how cute a girl you are it's not gonna happen.
I'm sure she probably had a few drinks at the party she attended earlier but at that point it was 3am and its pretty clear that the alcohol was out of her system at that point and she was not drunk.

The bigger question I have is how did she call aaa from that accident scene when we know that she left the cell phone we all know about in her friends dorm room? I think it's fairly obvious that she had a second phone and this accident proves it in my eyes.

Of course she had a second phone, what 21 year old (or any age) would want her boyfriend´s mother checking out who she called and who called her.
Something else: she was said to have left the party at 2.30, the crash not far from UMass campus occurred at 3.30. What did she do in that hour?

Has anybody ever figured out if Maura was actually suspended for the semester from umass?

I'd be really really surprised if she wasn't. Generally when the school knows that someone got arrested the prior semester they will suspend the student if it is a minor arrest and expell the student if it's anything major.

I've often wondered if Maura had just learned that she was suspended from school.
I swear to god this happened, it's stupid but it's true. When I was in school,'01 I believe it was, I got arrested for doing something stupid at spring fling. It was super minor and never even got convicted, got the same exact thing Maura got; it was continued without a finding for a year. So when I didnt get arrested again for that year it was thrown out.
Point is that I was suspended and the school never told me. I got all the mail from the school sent to my parents house and trust me I would've known if the school sent something saying I was suspended for a year. So I actually showed up for school the following fall and started going to classes. The teachers all thought I was suspenseful to be in class, I had no clue. About a week-9 days into the semester they called me into the deans office and told me I was suspended for 1 semester. I tried to fight it stating I was never convicted of it and they said the school only cares that you were arrested, the courts finding really don't matter to them.
Is it possible that this happened to Maura too? I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at a huge school like umass.
I'm not entirely convinced that she didn't receive a later call on that Thursday night. The umass cop specifically states that they traced it to an in campus phone but have no way of knowing who was on the other end. I don't see how he was talking about a call on another night, how does that make any sense? Was it a friend telling her that there was no way she was gonna win if she fought it, that she was definitely getting suspended for a semester. Could this be the kind of thing that would reduce her to such a mental state? Realizing that she'd now been suspended or expelled from two out of two colleges.
She might not have been convicted of it but she sure did break the school's honor code; she used another students CC and did it in her dorm room in campus. I don't see how the school wouldn't suspend her for at least a semester. Stealing from another student is Consdered a fairly major violation.
I can't see how she wasn't suspended, I can see it taking a week or two for umass to realize they were supposed to suspend her but never actually did. I can also see umass deciding to leave that little fact off the record once Maura comes up missing not even a week later.

If she was already suspended, why would she email her professors to tell them she would be away due to a death in the family? Wouldn´t they have been informed by UMass officials that she was suspended? And would she still be allowed to work security at UMass?
She was said to have received a call on the security landline that night, which supposedly upset her badly. The number wasn´t public, and only available to police and UMass security. Would someone in security call her in the middle of the night and tell her she was through? And wouldn´t KM the supervisor know about it? Anyhow, LE referred to the caller as having "moved on". How would they know the person had moved on if they didn´t know who it was?

Curious how we know nothing about Friday except for no classes due to snow storm.

Perhaps Maura used that Friday to sleep.

At her age, perhaps a lot of little things piled up and sleep was needed.

(I remember those years)