Maura Murray

mcsmom wrote:

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It would be interesting to hear from a defense lawyer who has no ties to Maura's case, yes of course.

What defense lawyer would have ties to the case? I have only read of one person bringing attorneys with them to speak with LE.

In reality there is no definite answer to whether that would be admitted. It all depends on the circumstances and what the prosecution is using as evidence. It all would be obviously decided by a judge.

But what the family has posted online or said to the media has absolutely no bearing on the case, unless the prosecutor was trying to use it as evidence against the accused, which is very unlikely due to the fact the family doesn't know anything.
The family does not have access to the case file, the family really doesn't know shit. This is one reason they fought so hard to my show the family the file, they could really screw up a prosecution If they said the wrong thing.
the family can pretty much say whatever they want online and not have to worry about it being used for the defense, it's not like they could be leaking inside info. Just because the family may have thought something at sometime doesn't mean LE ever thought that or that it ever even really happened.

But on the other hand, If LE was talking about it then that could most likely be used by the defense. There's been cases where the defense has brought up other suspects/scenarios that LE had talked about in the past. If they could prove that a detective who worked the case was posting online that could certainly be used in the defense. This is one reason why we can be absolutely 100% certain that no ex detective who worked this case would ever be posting about it online. Obviously it would be hard to prove that, particularly of someone was posting from a library/Internet cafe or something like that. Or posting from a prepaid cell phone using a fake name. In that case it could be next to impossible to figure out who was making the posts. But still, no detective who worked this case would ever put it in jeopardy like that.

The family can't really put the case in jeopardy by talking about their theories as to what happened

mcsmom wrote:

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Mason with the help Ben Franklin the Internet guru of all guru's, fictitiously placed an IP address relating it to citigirl, resulting in bogus claims of information regarding Maura, from a poster posing as citigirl.
As you know, citigirl has since claimed her innocence.
There are bigger questions to ask.

Are you talking about the post on geocities that renner re-posted? The one they claimed to have searched the ip and that it was most likely citigirl? That she flat out denied? Honestly it never made sense that post would've been made by citi; she's never waivered from the fact that the family thinks Maura was abducted.

Was it that post you are talking about or did they actually post under the name 'citigirl'?
As far as I can tell the post by 'ovserver' never tried to make people think that was citi, it was the computer expert who tracked the ip who said that. Was he in cahoots with mason/Ben Franklin?

Either way that's some shady ass shit to try to make people think anybody think they're someone else. It has happened to me on several different occasions, people posted under the name 'Jenkins' to try to make me look bad. It's an underhanded trick, can't win a debate? Can't admit when your wrong? Don't worry about it, just post under the other persons name to try to discredit them.
It's weird that some people will resort to such low-down tactics

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Are you talking about the post on geocities that renner re-posted? The one they claimed to have searched the ip and that it was most likely citigirl? That she flat out denied? Honestly it never made sense that post would've been made by citi; she's never waivered from the fact that the family thinks Maura was abducted.

It is a quagmire: you can't accuse her, but someone else did. She shouldn't have to defend herself against accusers they should have to prove it, but maybe they did prove it with the IP before posting it on his forum.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Are you talking about the post on geocities that renner re-posted? The one they claimed to have searched the ip and that it was most likely citigirl? That she flat out denied? Honestly it never made sense that post would've been made by citi; she's never waivered from the fact that the family thinks Maura was abducted.
Was it that post you are talking about or did they actually post under the name 'citigirl'?
As far as I can tell the post by 'ovserver' never tried to make people think that was citi, it was the computer expert who tracked the ip who said that. Was he in cahoots with mason/Ben Franklin?
Either way that's some shady ass shit to try to make people think anybody think they're someone else. It has happened to me on several different occasions, people posted under the name 'Jenkins' to try to make me look bad. It's an underhanded trick, can't win a debate? Can't admit when your wrong? Don't worry about it, just post under the other persons name to try to discredit them.
It's weird that some people will resort to such low-down tactics

IMHO there was lots of shady ass shit going on back then and I believe it continues today. This is the first that I've heard Mason was involved though.
Unless there is proof shown I don't see how anyone can believe one word that is said on an internet forum as a true fact. You have no idea who is sitting at their computer and chatting away with you or what kind of a person they really are.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Are you talking about the post on geocities that renner re-posted? The one they claimed to have searched the ip and that it was most likely citigirl? That she flat out denied? Honestly it never made sense that post would've been made by citi; she's never waivered from the fact that the family thinks Maura was abducted.
Was it that post you are talking about or did they actually post under the name 'citigirl'?
As far as I can tell the post by 'ovserver' never tried to make people think that was citi, it was the computer expert who tracked the ip who said that. Was he in cahoots with mason/Ben Franklin?
Either way that's some shady ass shit to try to make people think anybody think they're someone else. It has happened to me on several different occasions, people posted under the name 'Jenkins' to try to make me look bad. It's an underhanded trick, can't win a debate? Can't admit when your wrong? Don't worry about it, just post under the other persons name to try to discredit them.
It's weird that some people will resort to such low-down tactics

Exactly, the post by observer never implicated citigirl. Ben Franklin online pointed observers' IP address to implicate citigirl. Mason was trying to implicate Fred. Impending indictment, I think was the word he used. At any rate, Mason needed Ben Franklin in any manner he could so that he could secure himself another set of keys to the city following his student loan victory. At that time in Paducah, KY they had more than their share of missing women, why did Mason jump on board with Maura case?

Someone knows.

Of course this is all IMO.

Impending indictment? For what: Maura's murder?
isn't that what mason was gettin at with all his posts?
How does that post that was supposedly by citigirl have anything to do with that though? The post was in reference to Maura starting a new life and the family knowing, it had nothing to do w her murder.

Am I missing something here? Why would mason want everyone to think that citi said the family knows that she started a new life in Canada? Doesn't that directly contradict mason's hypothesis?

Mason was tryin to convince everyone Fred killed Maura, which is clearly a valid theory. There's a lot of things that point to that being a possibility, possibly even more likely than her being killed by a stranger. So how does faking that post from citi help him convince people of that?
Are you talking about different posts or something?

There's nothing wrong with someone trying to convince people of their theory, but to use underhanded tactics and cheat is just wrong. If your theory is so believable shouldn't people be able to reach the conclusion without you making things up and making fake posts?

I always thought it was weird mason was from so far away but was so into mm's case; but I feel he was into it because he really thought Fred killed her.
Does anyone know why he stopped posting? That's weird too, he never posted, then did all this work and then just stopped posting? Does he still post ok another forum I'm unaware of? Did he stop posting because he got caught doing lowdown tricks?

I think he posts as masoninblue firedog lake, his wife is crane-station.

.http://my.firedoglake.com/mar garida/2011/06/06/o-it-was-com in-i-could-feel-it-hey-youwein er/

Mason deviated in the extent of what he felt Fred was responsible for, outlined in his 18 red herrings.

Perhaps in the end his only resort was to fashion a "family knows" scenario. I think he felt his time investment was nearing an end.

Again, why?

And again, IMO.

Before things get farther into left field than they already are, some clarification is needed.

I have seen the report by Ben Franklynne. It does NOT implicate "Citigirl" in any way, nor was it meant to. Someone has misunderstood.

Ben had traced the IP address of poster "Observer" who made ONE post on the forum I was then running. Since "Observer" referenced the Geocities webpage about Maura supposedly ending up in Canada, etc. and then completely disappeared, it seemed of value to Ben F. to try to find out who or where "Observer" was. He was able (if I recall right) to trace the IP address to the vicinity of Taunton or North Attleboro, MA.

He noticed that at the time, there were 3 individuals who posted on Maura's Topix forum whose IP locations came up as Taunton or North Attleboro. "Citigirl"s just happened to be one of those -- the other 2 were also women. Ben's reference to these 3 individuals was just an "on the side" comment, as he in fact believed it most likely that poster "Observer" had used a proxy server in the Taunton, MA area to further hide his/her location. Perhaps the police could track "Observer" down but Ben could not. Ben did not in any way believe that "Citigirl" was "Observer", nor did he think the other 2 posters were.

Mason had no involvement in this.

It's very unfair to "Citigirl" to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

I found this on masoninblue:

UPDATE 8/24:(RE: highlight above) If the Frederick Leatherman who lives in Kentucky is indeed the same Frederick Leatherman that help found the Innocence Project Northwest, and worked with Barry Scheck - another claim he makes - then why was he not able to influence the Innocence Project in Kentucky to take his wife's case??

He gives his address on websites as:
750 Fairview Dr
Paducah, KY 42001
...which is an empty lot owned by an insurance agency.

Advocator wrote:

Before things get farther into left field than they already are, some clarification is needed.
I have seen the report by Ben Franklynne. It does NOT implicate "Citigirl" in any way, nor was it meant to. Someone has misunderstood.
Ben had traced the IP address of poster "Observer" who made ONE post on the forum I was then running. Since "Observer" referenced the Geocities webpage about Maura supposedly ending up in Canada, etc. and then completely disappeared, it seemed of value to Ben F. to try to find out who or where "Observer" was. He was able (if I recall right) to trace the IP address to the vicinity of Taunton or North Attleboro, MA.
He noticed that at the time, there were 3 individuals who posted on Maura's Topix forum whose IP locations came up as Taunton or North Attleboro. "Citigirl"s just happened to be one of those -- the other 2 were also women. Ben's reference to these 3 individuals was just an "on the side" comment, as he in fact believed it most likely that poster "Observer" had used a proxy server in the Taunton, MA area to further hide his/her location. Perhaps the police could track "Observer" down but Ben could not. Ben did not in any way believe that "Citigirl" was "Observer", nor did he think the other 2 posters were.
Mason had no involvement in this.
It's very unfair to "Citigirl" to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

Advocate,Any thoughts as to who may have sent this information to Renner? Ben Franklins perhaps?

Advocator wrote:

Before things get farther into left field than they already are, some clarification is needed.
I have seen the report by Ben Franklynne. It does NOT implicate "Citigirl" in any way, nor was it meant to. Someone has misunderstood.
Ben had traced the IP address of poster "Observer" who made ONE post on the forum I was then running. Since "Observer" referenced the Geocities webpage about Maura supposedly ending up in Canada, etc. and then completely disappeared, it seemed of value to Ben F. to try to find out who or where "Observer" was. He was able (if I recall right) to trace the IP address to the vicinity of Taunton or North Attleboro, MA.
He noticed that at the time, there were 3 individuals who posted on Maura's Topix forum whose IP locations came up as Taunton or North Attleboro. "Citigirl"s just happened to be one of those -- the other 2 were also women. Ben's reference to these 3 individuals was just an "on the side" comment, as he in fact believed it most likely that poster "Observer" had used a proxy server in the Taunton, MA area to further hide his/her location. Perhaps the police could track "Observer" down but Ben could not. Ben did not in any way believe that "Citigirl" was "Observer", nor did he think the other 2 posters were.
Mason had no involvement in this.
It's very unfair to "Citigirl" to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

Is it even legal to have posters join a site and then have someone trace their IP address to attempt to find their location or identity without their knowledge? If it is legal it shouldn't be IMO.
So advocator if what you say is true then mcsmom has given us another load of BS. Why try to blame Mason if he had nothing to do with it.

Is Ben Franklin - James leone ? a simple head nod is ok.

mcsmom wrote:

I found this on masoninblue:
UPDATE 8/24:(RE: highlight above) If the Frederick Leatherman who lives in Kentucky is indeed the same Frederick Leatherman that help found the Innocence Project Northwest, and worked with Barry Scheck - another claim he makes - then why was he not able to influence the Innocence Project in Kentucky to take his wife's case??
He gives his address on websites as:
750 Fairview Dr
Paducah, KY 42001
...which is an empty lot owned by an insurance agency.

Since it's been brought out that he had nothing to do with tracing the IP addresses why are you bringing him up? And why are you putting his full name and personal information here?

Advocator wrote:

Before things get farther into left field than they already are, some clarification is needed.
I have seen the report by Ben Franklynne. It does NOT implicate "Citigirl" in any way, nor was it meant to. Someone has misunderstood.
Ben had traced the IP address of poster "Observer" who made ONE post on the forum I was then running. Since "Observer" referenced the Geocities webpage about Maura supposedly ending up in Canada, etc. and then completely disappeared, it seemed of value to Ben F. to try to find out who or where "Observer" was. He was able (if I recall right) to trace the IP address to the vicinity of Taunton or North Attleboro, MA.
He noticed that at the time, there were 3 individuals who posted on Maura's Topix forum whose IP locations came up as Taunton or North Attleboro. "Citigirl"s just happened to be one of those -- the other 2 were also women. Ben's reference to these 3 individuals was just an "on the side" comment, as he in fact believed it most likely that poster "Observer" had used a proxy server in the Taunton, MA area to further hide his/her location. Perhaps the police could track "Observer" down but Ben could not. Ben did not in any way believe that "Citigirl" was "Observer", nor did he think the other 2 posters were.
Mason had no involvement in this.
It's very unfair to "Citigirl" to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

There are valid ways to get a general location of the server but, it will NOT tell you a specific individual and there is no reason to even believe that the server is necessarily located in the same town as the user. Without more information, it is not possible to get information on the specific user.

Bill

Advocator wrote:

Before things get farther into left field than they already are, some clarification is needed.
I have seen the report by Ben Franklynne. It does NOT implicate "Citigirl" in any way, nor was it meant to. Someone has misunderstood.
Ben had traced the IP address of poster "Observer" who made ONE post on the forum I was then running. Since "Observer" referenced the Geocities webpage about Maura supposedly ending up in Canada, etc. and then completely disappeared, it seemed of value to Ben F. to try to find out who or where "Observer" was. He was able (if I recall right) to trace the IP address to the vicinity of Taunton or North Attleboro, MA.
He noticed that at the time, there were 3 individuals who posted on Maura's Topix forum whose IP locations came up as Taunton or North Attleboro. "Citigirl"s just happened to be one of those -- the other 2 were also women. Ben's reference to these 3 individuals was just an "on the side" comment, as he in fact believed it most likely that poster "Observer" had used a proxy server in the Taunton, MA area to further hide his/her location. Perhaps the police could track "Observer" down but Ben could not. Ben did not in any way believe that "Citigirl" was "Observer", nor did he think the other 2 posters were.
Mason had no involvement in this.
It's very unfair to "Citigirl" to perpetuate this misunderstanding.

BF did not clarify his findings on your forum, even worse his lack of clarification allowed a purported high profile defense lawyer claim that family had knowledge of Maura's whereabouts.

Anyone can look at Mason's "minefield" statements to see for themselves.

I am in no way suggesting citigirl had anything to do with this, I know she didn't.

Here come the haters.......

Wonder why.

mcsmom wrote:

Here come the haters.......
Wonder why.

How can you hate someone that you don't even know? Myself and others are just sick of all the lies and fabrications. Why is there a need by anyone to feel they have to lie?

mcsmom wrote:

Here come the haters.......
Wonder why.

I think you're just a big ole turd stirrer. Wonder why.

mcsmom wrote:

Here come the haters.......
Wonder why.

Who is it you consider haters, and why?

Bill