Maura Murray

mcsmom wrote:

Highly likely that Maura felt very uncomfortable staying in her dorm room post sting.
There's always the possibility that she was threatened by any individual(s) who thought Maura guilty of identity theft. The phone call from somewhere inside UMASS the night she was on security duty, crying, and not wanting KM to accompany her back to her room, leaves me to think she had already removed her valuables and belongings from her dorm room to her car. The only reason fro her to return to her room would have been Internet access, which she could have been using another location on campus, may have been the computer info Fred was seeking.
She returns to her dorm room per KM the night of the Alfieri party, and perhaps the reason for her late night retreat to the safety of Fred's hotel room. Her accident could have been mistakenly reasoned for the cuts and bruises, and possibly why the lack of release of photos from the ATM.
Why did KM feel the need to have male escort her to her dorm room?
Not everything is always as it seems.

But the next dy at work, her friend and coworker said everything was fine and normal. That Maura never brought up anything that had happened the night before. If Maura had cuts and bruises, the coworker never commented on that either.(the art job)

Wasn't Kennedy hall the worst for parties getting out of hand....or something of a known party bldg with lots of drinking and troubles? There was some sort of protest from that bldg,(lots of people involved), I just can't recall when that was.

Judging by my report card icons, my grades are slipping.
It was just a thought, and here's another:

Beagles says that on February 9th, police were all over the car Fred owned, the car Maura drove into the gaurdrail. Beagle says he had asked an employee at the repair shop about it in 2008. Hours later, his backyard was vandalized.

Wowzer, get ready for the nutts, I have a feeling there's no love lost with my postings.

In doing my sewing between posting times. This is what I went away with. Family is bombarding my posts. I wondered why. I did NOT mean to imply Maura was getting ready for any (derogatory) work out that night back at the motel. I just think she was not expecting for Kate to call and join them at the pub. Didn't they go back there just for her sake? Kate had been gone all day at a race of some kind. Maura may have truely thought she was going back with Dad after dinner.
And I agree, there may have been someone at the party who made snide comments. But in reading the claim as writen by the victim with the fraudulant activity did NOT sound like the kind who would spread malicious gossip. Ya never know though. I'd imagine Maura kept tight lipped about it, outside of the fact that the officers asked her out into the hall for a snapshot. Someone may have seen that happen and spread that part around.
Then again, police did go to another room on the first floor asking two? people about something related to theft of some kind. Doesn't mean they told them who, as in naming MM. I just don't recall so sue me.

Mcsmom, are you saying you KNOW Maura had scrapes from the Sunday am accident?

mcsmom wrote:

Highly likely that Maura felt very uncomfortable staying in her dorm room post sting.
There's always the possibility that she was threatened by any individual(s) who thought Maura guilty of identity theft. The phone call from somewhere inside UMASS the night she was on security duty, crying, and not wanting KM to accompany her back to her room, leaves me to think she had already removed her valuables and belongings from her dorm room to her car. The only reason fro her to return to her room would have been Internet access, which she could have been using another location on campus, may have been the computer info Fred was seeking.
She returns to her dorm room per KM the night of the Alfieri party, and perhaps the reason for her late night retreat to the safety of Fred's hotel room. Her accident could have been mistakenly reasoned for the cuts and bruises, and possibly why the lack of release of photos from the ATM.
Why did KM feel the need to have male escort her to her dorm room?
Not everything is always as it seems.

Just taking a stab, but KM didn't live in Kennedy, therefore she would've had to walk to her dorm in the middle of the night and is likely why she needed a male to escort her.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Let's look at a few of the innacuracies in this book. First it says that she completely missed the corner and ended up in the wood barely missing a tree. She definitely didn't go into the woods she crashed into the snowbank.
Then it said that the SBD asked if he should cal Aaa. That's wrong too, he asked if she wanted police and she said no. Also says nothing about her objecting to him calling police.
Then it says that Atwood thought she looked like she was drinking. There isn't one quote where sbd says this, he actually said the exact opposite.
That's all just on the first page
Then it says there was a can of skyy blue malt liquor was found on the front seat; are they just making shit up here?
I can go on but I think I've made my point, that article's information isn't exactly correct.

Again, I would say this is far from accurate.

First off, the article never mentions the SBD saying anything about maura drinking.

Second, this is one of the most detailed accounts of both maura's wreck and the saturday night dorm party maura attended.

Third, some of these things your pointing out as factually wrong like how maura's car was described ending up, are matters of interpretation. this article actually was one of the first done that actually pointed out that maura never hit a tree which is a FACT.

Finally, on the sky blue liquor found in the car. This is either a slip of (letting something out that wasn't suppose to be out to the public) or this may be the one wrong item mentioned in this short story.

But I kind of think it was a slip and here is my proof.

one of the early articles done (I believe by caldonian record)

Talking about Billy Rausch:

Rausch said Murray fled with a backpack, but left many of the other items she'd packed, including the stuffed monkey he gave her and her favorite book, "Without Peril," behind in her car.
A witness told local police Murray appeared to have been intoxicated at the time of the crash, and Rausch said that there was an open bottle of alcohol in the car.

the article had already mentioned the crush box of wine, so this is not what billy was referring to and this would also not be the coke bottle that was found on the ground after maura's car had been towed from the scene.

Correction:

Atwood said (in the article) it appeared she had been drinking.

And if you go back and read the DEVELOPING stories about the maura murray case from the days after maura went missing, several articles reference a witness (on scene of her wreck) as noting that maura appeared to have been drinking.

At the time, they did not mention the SBD by name, because it was a DEVELOPING story.

It wasn't misleading and it wasn't factually wrong to not mention the SBD, they (the media) at that point didn't have the particulars to identify the witness.

And I guarantee there are people to this day that know (NOW) about the SBD arriving on scene and then come across an old story about maura's car accident and hear about a witness thinking maura had been drinking and are as a result confused because now they think there was a second witness on scene when in reality it's always been referenced back to the SBD.

And furthermore, when atwood was asked directly by maribeth conway in her five-part maura is missing articles to clarify (about maura and drinking)

Atwood replied that maura didn't appear intoxicated.

that does not make his claim that she appeared to have been drinking false or misleading.

Drinking and being intoxicated are two very different things.

paris wrote:

In doing my sewing between posting times. This is what I went away with. Family is bombarding my posts. I wondered why. I did NOT mean to imply Maura was getting ready for any (derogatory) work out that night back at the motel. I just think she was not expecting for Kate to call and join them at the pub. Didn't they go back there just for her sake? Kate had been gone all day at a race of some kind. Maura may have truely thought she was going back with Dad after dinner.
And I agree, there may have been someone at the party who made snide comments. But in reading the claim as writen by the victim with the fraudulant activity did NOT sound like the kind who would spread malicious gossip. Ya never know though. I'd imagine Maura kept tight lipped about it, outside of the fact that the officers asked her out into the hall for a snapshot. Someone may have seen that happen and spread that part around.
Then again, police did go to another room on the first floor asking two? people about something related to theft of some kind. Doesn't mean they told them who, as in naming MM. I just don't recall so sue me.
Mcsmom, are you saying you KNOW Maura had scrapes from the Sunday am accident?

No, I'm not saying any of this as fact. Although I believe someone on the forum said there was a make up URL barcode found in Maura's car.

Mason must have beat everyone to Fred's backyard.....

Hi all, was Kerri Doble living in Londonderry N.H. in Feb 2004.Where and when was Kevin Vance Noble in prison.What about Eugene Gingras and his murder for hire.It just gets sadder.take care philip

Orko come on, that article is rife with innacuracies.
At this point it seems like you've done a good job at researching this case, you've dug up some interesting info and have cleared up a few things that people have been confused about.

Referencing that book, which is basically the seventeen magazine article, is not helping your credibility.
That article/book is pretty much the worst spot to get any info from. Example: yea they said she didn't hit a tree but they also said she ended up in the woods. That's just so wrong it's ridiculous. She crashed into a snowbank and was then able to back her car parallel to the road, she clearly was not in the woods by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't wanna get on your case about this here bur saying that article is accurate is hurting your credibility here.

As for the witness who thought Maura appeared intoxicated that was mentioned in nearly all of the earliest news articles it is pretty obvious at this point that person doesn't exist. This is one of the most f'd up things about this case, early on the local police were basically lying to the media to try to make Maura look bad. They straight up made up a witness that said she looked intoxicated. This was one of the things that originally got me so interested in this case, it really pissed me off that the cops were going out of their way to make Maura look bad. They wanted her to look like some drunk stupid college girl from mass who was probably suicidal. Even though none of that appears to be true that didn't stop the local cops from trying to make the public thinks so. It was so
Bad of them to do that

whiston wrote:

Hi all, was Kerri Doble living in Londonderry N.H. in Feb 2004.Where and when was Kevin Vance Noble in prison.What about Eugene Gingras and his murder for hire.It just gets sadder.take care philip

What are you talking about here buddy?
Who are these people? do you think they could possibly have any Connection to this case and why do you think that?

I think you need to give a little more background info here as to who these people are and what, if any, connection they have to Maura.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Orko come on, that article is rife with innacuracies.
At this point it seems like you've done a good job at researching this case, you've dug up some interesting info and have cleared up a few things that people have been confused about.
Referencing that book, which is basically the seventeen magazine article, is not helping your credibility.
That article/book is pretty much the worst spot to get any info from. Example: yea they said she didn't hit a tree but they also said she ended up in the woods. That's just so wrong it's ridiculous. She crashed into a snowbank and was then able to back her car parallel to the road, she clearly was not in the woods by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't wanna get on your case about this here bur saying that article is accurate is hurting your credibility here.
As for the witness who thought Maura appeared intoxicated that was mentioned in nearly all of the earliest news articles it is pretty obvious at this point that person doesn't exist. This is one of the most f'd up things about this case, early on the local police were basically lying to the media to try to make Maura look bad. They straight up made up a witness that said she looked intoxicated. This was one of the things that originally got me so interested in this case, it really pissed me off that the cops were going out of their way to make Maura look bad. They wanted her to look like some drunk stupid college girl from mass who was probably suicidal. Even though none of that appears to be true that didn't stop the local cops from trying to make the public thinks so. It was so
Bad of them to do that

The witness at the accident scene all the news reports were referring to (in the early days) was the SBD.

That is how journalism works when you are talking about a developing story.

It starts with "a witness at the scene noted"

several stories later it becomes the witness at the scene, the SBD noted"

and so forth.

Once it is fully established, the stories will start saying "the SBD at the scene noted"

whiston wrote:

Hi all, was Kerri Doble living in Londonderry N.H. in Feb 2004.Where and when was Kevin Vance Noble in prison.What about Eugene Gingras and his murder for hire.It just gets sadder.take care philip

This relative of MM doesn´t appear to have ever lived in Londonderry? A relative of her ex husband seems to live there. The "murder for hire" scheme to have the ex wife killed happened in 2011. I can´t see how it could possibly be related to MM. I find it more interesting to read this Gingras guy was employed by LE to do computer work. The ex wife, KD, was according to a new article, helping to set up the MMM website in 2004. Back then I think she and mr G were still together. So, a LE employed computer guy in the family? And no idea how to get information off of MM´s computer?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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What are you talking about here buddy?
Who are these people? do you think they could possibly have any Connection to this case and why do you think that?
I think you need to give a little more background info here as to who these people are and what, if any, connection they have to Maura.

‘‘We've already had interest from people,'' said Kerri Doble Gingras of
Marshfield, a relative of Murray who developed the web site with her
husband.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...

paris wrote:

Judging by my report card icons, my grades are slipping.
It was just a thought, and here's another:
Beagles says that on February 9th, police were all over the car Fred owned, the car Maura drove into the gaurdrail. Beagle says he had asked an employee at the repair shop about it in 2008. Hours later, his backyard was vandalized.
Wowzer, get ready for the nutts, I have a feeling there's no love lost with my postings.

Why would LE be all over Fred's car on feb 9th?? No one really even started investigating until the 11th when it became clear she was actually missing.
As for what beagle said, it is clearly bullshit. He also said his backyard got vandalized after asking the umass cops about parking, as if any umass cop would ever think it was strange someone asked about parking. Ive personally asked umass cops about parking and they were more than happy to answer the question, they probably get asked that about 5 times a day as the parking lot situation at umass is confusing. No umass cop would ever think it was strange someone asked them about parking.
Beagle also said his backyard got vandalized after being asked if he killed Maura by a PI.
He's told many different stories about why his backyard got vandalized.
He also said there is a vigilante group working out of western mass, lol, and they're responsible for the vandalism, which is simply laughable. As "proof" of this groups existence he offered up posts by me and by Emmett dove. I lived in western mass for a couple years but wasn't at the time I made that stupid post and emmet dove literally lives like 800 miles away and has never even been to mass. The notion that there is some sort of vigilante group in western mass is simply laughable, completely ridiculous. I think those posts that he used as "evidence" of this groups existence pretty much prove that it doesn't exist and never did. If that's the best proof he can come up with then clearly there is absolutely no proof.
I'm not saying his back yard wasn't vandalized, idk if it was, I believe it maybe was, but theres no way the vandalism had anything to do with online posts or posters, that's just ridiculous. Beagle is clearly a weirdo, he obviously likes to piss people off. He's the kind of guy that pisses people off just so he can complain about them being pissed at him.
If his backyard was vandalized, it was vandalized by someone local that he pissed off. He's a weirdo, it probably was some locals who were pissed at him for creeping out their sister or mother or something like that.
When someone says their backyard was vandalized after talking to a mechanic one time, then after talking to umass cops another time, and after talking to a PI yet another time, you can safely assume its total bullshit. I wonder how many different versions of that story he's told, I know of at least three but there's probably even more.
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I have serious doubts that his yard ever even was vandalized.
Beagle is just ridiculous, I actually almost feel bad for the guy; that is until I remember those videos he posted taunting the family and tryin to make people think it was Maura's killer taunting her family. That was just sick, disgusting, sadistic and a cruel hoax perpetrated by a disturbed individual. He's probably lucky a vigilante group didn't form after that shit, I mean come on, damn dude.
And did I read that he was charged up in greenfield with threatening to kill a member of his family?
Has anybody ever actually looked into the possibility that he is the escaped mental patient that killed his family in NH in the 60's? The mental patient that escaped in 1974? Why does he refer to himself as "mr1974" in one of those sick videos?? I'm not saying he is that guy, but someone should really look into it because it sure seems possible.

whiston wrote:

Hi all, was Kerri Doble living in Londonderry N.H. in Feb 2004.Where and when was Kevin Vance Noble in prison.What about Eugene Gingras and his murder for hire.It just gets sadder.take care philip

Laurie had another child, Kurt, with a man named Kevin Noble.
Under "family dynamics" http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...

whiston wrote:

Hi all, was Kerri Doble living in Londonderry N.H. in Feb 2004.Where and when was Kevin Vance Noble in prison.What about Eugene Gingras and his murder for hire.It just gets sadder.take care philip

....to make it easier;
‘‘We've already had interest from people,'' said Kerri Doble Gingras of
Marshfield, a relative of Murray who developed the web site with her
husband.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search ...