Maura Murray

Orky- I can't find one early news report where they say she appeared to be drinking, every one says a witness said she appeared intoxicated.

There are only two options here: either there a witness we still don't know about or the cops made it up. Unfortunately it appears they made it up; we know that the HPD isn't averse to lying so it seems like this is what happened here.

I also don't understand how you can possibly think that the bottle of skye blue was a slip, as if that was evidence that needed to be protected. So they can talk about all this different alcohol but they need to keep this one bottle secret? That makes no sense.

I'm sorry orky but it really looks like you are trying to force evidence that doesn't fit into your theory. You believe she committed suicide and it seems like you are selectively ignoring evidence or misinterpreting evidence/statements to make them fit into your theory.

I mean come on, you actually believe there might age been a suicide note on that computer? How could you possibly believe that? How could you possibly believe they would need to keep That secret? Makes no sense, especially when you consider everything they said to the media in the first weeks/months. They clearly would've loved to have found a suicide note and make its existence known to the public.

Orky, your a good guy, a good researcher, but you are not objective. You have ads up your mind that she killed herself and your filtering everything to try to fit that theory. Looking at this completely objectively it looks like suicide is the least likely answer here. Early on in a article LE stated that they believe this to be the least likely as well. I'm not trying to get on your case here I just think you need to look at everything again without your preconceived notion leading the way. You need to let the evidence lead you, you can't let your theory lead your evidence. Just a friendly tip but hey, what do I know? Lol

speaking of the forbidden 'Mauras' prior life'Just rereading some of Mr Renners research.Karen Mayotte was told that Maura was or had been crying by someone and went to check on her.Going from memmory here.I think it was BobbiSue who mentioned people looking for Maura on Monday P.M.and there was something said about not wanting to get Maura into trouble.BobbiSue also worked security.The barcode on the clear plastic lid found in the saturn came from 'maybe a makeup with brush case' according to the supplier.Take care philip

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Orky- I can't find one early news report where they say she appeared to be drinking, every one says a witness said she appeared intoxicated.
There are only two options here: either there a witness we still don't know about or the cops made it up. Unfortunately it appears they made it up; we know that the HPD isn't averse to lying so it seems like this is what happened here.
I also don't understand how you can possibly think that the bottle of skye blue was a slip, as if that was evidence that needed to be protected. So they can talk about all this different alcohol but they need to keep this one bottle secret? That makes no sense.
I'm sorry orky but it really looks like you are trying to force evidence that doesn't fit into your theory. You believe she committed suicide and it seems like you are selectively ignoring evidence or misinterpreting evidence/statements to make them fit into your theory.
I mean come on, you actually believe there might age been a suicide note on that computer? How could you possibly believe that? How could you possibly believe they would need to keep That secret? Makes no sense, especially when you consider everything they said to the media in the first weeks/months. They clearly would've loved to have found a suicide note and make its existence known to the public.
Orky, your a good guy, a good researcher, but you are not objective. You have ads up your mind that she killed herself and your filtering everything to try to fit that theory. Looking at this completely objectively it looks like suicide is the least likely answer here. Early on in a article LE stated that they believe this to be the least likely as well. I'm not trying to get on your case here I just think you need to look at everything again without your preconceived notion leading the way. You need to let the evidence lead you, you can't let your theory lead your evidence. Just a friendly tip but hey, what do I know? Lol

Really Jenky?

Lt. Scarinza, retired NH F Troop Commander and lead investigator maura murray case.

From 2011

"I've said this all along: My sense is that Maura's original intent when she left Massachusetts was to come to the North Country to get away from something that was occurring in her life down there. I take into consideration the family's thought that she was coming up to kill herself. But what was the initial catalyst to make her want to do that? And what happened when she got here? My sense is that she is not still alive."

Orko Kringer wrote:

<quoted text>But what was the initial catalyst to make her want to do that?

I think that was a question that needed answering right from the start and many of us tried to get it. That initial catalyst was what many of us were trying to find out because is has a direct bearing on where she might be, what her plans were, and were she might have been heading and what she was trying to accomplish. There were some here who weren't really smart enough to understand that. And while Fred and other family members kept waving their left hand wildly in the air wanting everyone to concentrate only on that, some of use were trying to see what was in the right hand. We kept asking them to show it, they repeatedly refused, made up other stories, and kept directing everyone to the left hand again. I suspect they didn't let the police see it either, though I would think the police would have certainly discovered all the skeletons. The continual portrayal of Maura as a saint for years, certainly didn't help the investigation. It is clear she may have been suicidal, if not initially, she certainly might have been after crashing yet another car while driving while drinking. If discovered, that would have screwed up her chances of having those other charges expunged which in turn could have ended her nursing career. Anyone think that might have been a reason to run? Knowing that, how hard would she have run to not get caught? Would she have even risked here life to get away? By running into the woods, or getting into a strangers car, or just outright committing suicide?

Bill

Shack wrote:

I can't, and never could, get into the intrigue of before Maura entered NH.
The five dwellings within sight of her accident are more interesting. The "silent witness, peeling orange" and SBD and W.stmns. Then there is trailer which was sold. Coming up on nine years...?

Can you for once just try to use your head? You've been on this same corner for over 8 years blaming these same people, sometimes by name, and refuse to even consider that the only thing they did was try to help Maura. Why if they did anything wrong would they have called the police reporting the accident?
They were middle aged to older respected married couples. A poster said the CW was supposedly getting a divorce but do we know that for a fact and if he was so what?
There's a reason shack why you've done and said the things you have for all this time. You've thrown out many red herrings,the menstrual blood being just one off the top of my head. Even your buddies dropped their jaw on that one. You've bashed the people in this area beyond all reason saying terrible things about them even though citigirl said the people in this area have been nothing but kind and helpful.
My question is what are YOU hiding? What is YOUR agenda? Why are you trying so hard to keep the people that tried to help in a bad light?
Maybe we should ask who YOU are protecting because the things you have said through the years certainly weren't helpful in finding out what happened to Maura.

Shack wrote:

I can't, and never could, get into the intrigue of before Maura entered NH.

We understand you could never figure that out but you aren't particularly bright either. It is much more fun to point fingers at the locals with no evidence. It is not intrigue, it has to do with figuring out her motivation. Something someone would want to do if they are actually trying to understand why she headed up to NH. What she was trying to do. Where she might have headed. But again, and this cannot be stressed enough. You aren't particularly bright. And you "don't know technical stuff" according to your own statements. But, other than that, you are a wealth of information.

I do suppose it is much more fun to make up her motivation, pretend she is a perfect human being, and that everyone else in the world was responsible for what happened to her.

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Sometimes I wonder if you "doth protest too much". You injected yourself very close to the family, very early on in the investigation, have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the investigation directly from Fred, lived in the area, point fingers at everyone else. One has never accounted for your location or what you were doing. In fact, what better person to not have suspicion attached than an older woman. Someone who could have gained Maura's confidence, maybe? Interesting that we have never heard what you were doing that night, or were you where, or if any relatives were home with or without you. Any have any felony records? You have been expert in pointing everyone away from yourself and your kin. I wonder why such venom to others in the area, yet you and yours have never been mentioned once, at all, Wonder why?
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Bill

Shack wrote:

I can't, and never could, get into the intrigue of before Maura entered NH.
The five dwellings within sight of her accident are more interesting. The "silent witness, peeling orange" and SBD and W.stmns. Then there is trailer which was sold. Coming up on nine years...?

Is it fair to say you have no regard for the philosophical concept of causality?

Unless mm was teleported to the wb curve I'd think maybe there were actions and reactions that placed her there.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>Is it fair to say you have no regard for the philosophical concept of causality?

Jesus Lighthouse! You trying to make her head explode? Monosyllabic words and childlike concepts work best. That book learn'en stuff is for other people. I tried some very simple concepts like not poisoning the area with her accusations and she couldn't figure that one out. I doubt causality is a concept that she grasps at all not even when you slap her in the face with it, as I did. Actually I eventually was beating her over the head with it and she still didn't get it. To this day, she still doesn't get it.

Bill

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

If you read what was said in the court case, and then fill in the blanks with what weeper said on the forums, he was an NHSP detective for many years, it is pretty clear that se was most likely killed by someone local.

Well, it is pretty clear to YOU, but not to anyone else. Especially the people who actually worked the case, who had access to the case file, the interviews, evidence, etc.

Clear to you, but to no one else.

I am pretty much to the point where if you said Black, no matter what other information I had, I would bet on White. Just sayin'.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

It's pretty clear the professional investigators working this case believe she was murdered and have a good idea of who is responsible, but without her body can't make a prosecution.

Ummmm, can you clarify who these 'professioanl investigators' are, exactly? As in, names?

I mean, besides weeper, who has clearly deomonstrated he is either completely clueless or has an alterior agenda. Nothing he has said has ANY basis in fact, he has provided absolutely ZERO evidence to support his wild crazy theories. In short, he is full of Bull.

No wonder you like his theories!

"Sometimes I wonder if you "doth protest too much". You injected yourself very close to the family, very early on in the investigation, have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the investigation directly from Fred, lived in the area, point fingers at everyone else. One has never accounted for your location or what you were doing. In fact, what better person to not have suspicion attached than an older woman. Someone who could have gained Maura's confidence, maybe? Interesting that we have never heard what you were doing that night, or were you where, or if any relatives were home with or without you. Any have any felony records? You have been expert in pointing everyone away from yourself and your kin. I wonder why such venom to others in the area, yet you and yours have never been mentioned once, at all, Wonder why?"

And this is not just idle chatter. I would like to know the answer to this question. She has always been active with the family from the start. With Fred and Helena. Always, only arms length away. I wonder why? Always quick to point that others in the area are involved. Always wanting them to submit to testing, to questioning, to examination of their homes and property. Funny we never heard what she and her family were doing. No one thought to ask her what her family was doing, where she was. She was never without someone to point to whenever anyone took a breath to try to see if there were alternate theories. It has to make you wonder why does an elderly woman, with no ties to this case, at all, still insist that someone in the area has something to do with Maura's disappearance? I mean, what is her REAL motivation. To help Fred? I always wondered, especially since it was rumored that Fred wanted little to do with her. So why? Is she really as dumb as she portrays, or is she dumb like a fox? Has she been purposely misdirecting these forums for years. Does she actually know more than she says because she is in the middle of it? It has always been hard for me to believe that anyone is as dumb as she portrays. What if she is not? What if she is acting to be this stupid to keep people away from what she doesn't want them to see? I have to admit that it has worked remarkably well for all these years. No one has ever thought that the person of interest might actually be right under their nose all this time. Pretending to "care, to feel". One would have to admit it is a powerful and highly effective disguise to wear. So what about it Shack? You have had almost nine years to hide, evade, misdirect, and otherwise obfuscate anything to do with this case. When do the townspeople get to hold a mirror up to you? Or doesn't this little witch hunt you started include you?

Bill

Ulterior, not alterior, FrmLE, just sayin'.... you are correct about your spelling et al. Reminds me of someone who makes the exact same mistake.....

I'm leaning towards the concern for Maura the night of Feb. 9th. BobbiSue was working security, from my recollection,(and I'm going to need some help here), knew (because she worked security) that Maura's car was in NH on Feb 9. Maura's friends were concerned but BobbiSue was unable to relay anything to them for confidentiality reasons.

If Maura's friends were unaware of the accident in Amherst at the time of her disappearance, why was there such concern over her welfare simply because she was not in her dorm, and only unaccounted for, for a few hours?

mcsmom wrote:

Ulterior, not alterior, FrmLE, just sayin'.... you are correct about your spelling et al. Reminds me of someone who makes the exact same mistake.....
I'm leaning towards the concern for Maura the night of Feb. 9th. BobbiSue was working security, from my recollection,(and I'm going to need some help here), knew (because she worked security) that Maura's car was in NH on Feb 9. Maura's friends were concerned but BobbiSue was unable to relay anything to them for confidentiality reasons.
If Maura's friends were unaware of the accident in Amherst at the time of her disappearance, why was there such concern over her welfare simply because she was not in her dorm, and only unaccounted for, for a few hours?

Off the top of my head I can think of three possible resons:

1. She had threatened to harm herself
2. Someone else had threatened to harm her
3. She really had been missing for significantly longer than we have been told
More possibilities, someone???

mcsmom wrote:

Ulterior, not alterior, FrmLE, just sayin'.... you are correct about your spelling et al. Reminds me of someone who makes the exact same mistake.....

Yep, I admit it one more time, just for you. I am not a great typer/typist nor am I a great speller. Never was, I in fact dropped out of school very early to join the Army.

Would you like this to become the SpellCheck forum? Where we run around with spellcheck jumping all over spelling mistakes?

Ridiculous.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I didnt say the registery needed to be open in order to buy a car. A car needs to be registered and insured in order to drive it legally on the road in Ma.If you take plates off of another vehicle and put it on a vehicle that is not registered and you get pulled over you can be charged with detaching plates and also have your vehichle towed.

The correct spelling is:

Registry, not registery.
Vehicle, not vehichle.

Just saying, it is a fun game to play. Shall we continue? Is it your turn now?

mcsmom wrote:

..... The only reason fro her to return to her room would have been Internet access, which she could have been using another location on campus, may have been the computer info Fred was seeking.

For, not fro.

Unless, pehaps you were referring to her hairdo?

FrmLE wrote:

<quoted text>
For, not fro.
Unless, pehaps you were referring to her hairdo?

Good to know you read my posts very carefully.

Good speech, BTW.

mcsmom wrote:

Good to know you read my posts very carefully.
Good speech, BTW.

Thank you, I am simply playing along the game you thought would be cool to start. I'm sorry, is it not so fun now?

And let's be honest here, besides putting you in your spelling place, I absolutely not care what your posts say. Of the few people here whose thoughts I give consideration to, yours are somewhere around the bottom one or two.

It's not that you aren't probably a nice person and whatever, it's just that you have nothing of value to offer besides random comments to make yourself feel part of the discussion.

Sorry, it's sad but trew.(giving you a nice easy pitch there, slow and over the plate) ;)

hannah_b wrote:

<quoted text>
Off the top of my head I can think of three possible resons:
1. She had threatened to harm herself
2. Someone else had threatened to harm her
3. She really had been missing for significantly longer than we have been told
More possibilities, someone???

!. If her friends thought she was suicidal, they would have encouraged rather than discouraged her going to see Fred on Saturday night.
2. Most likely IMO
3.Unless someone other than her sent emails from her dorm room

I'm curious; Renner just posted here a few day's ago and no one tried to draw him into any type of debate concerning his blog or opinions. So many people here have made so many strong statements concerning him and his agenda.Some of you are very knowledgeable and also unafraid of confrontation, so.....why no debate?

FrmLE wrote:

<quoted text>
Thank you, I am simply playing along the game you thought would be cool to start. I'm sorry, is it not so fun now?
And let's be honest here, besides putting you in your spelling place, I absolutely not care what your posts say. Of the few people here whose thoughts I give consideration to, yours are somewhere around the bottom one or two.
It's not that you aren't probably a nice person and whatever, it's just that you have nothing of value to offer besides random comments to make yourself feel part of the discussion.
Sorry, it's sad but trew.(giving you a nice easy pitch there, slow and over the plate) ;)

Awww, you hurt my feelings :(

Good to know you'd rather run a distraction show with Jenkins...