Maura Murray

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Yup! Yall aint too much different than us! I wouldnt feel sorry for nothing! Those people are your neighbors, mail men/women, grocer, mechanic, garden country mart (dont know what its called there, but where the fresh crops come in & everyones selling their crops at the market) friends, family, maybe even people you went to school with, memories, etc; To small town people, its more than just your town, its pretty much everything!

Thanks Emmett. You get it.
FYI They call it a farmers market here.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - forget everything else for a moment.
1. Car accident -
2. Alchol -
3. Driver left the scene under their own power -
4. Driver lied about calling for help -
If you read these four points to any room of people MM's age what assumption would they make?
If you make any assumptions other than drinking and driving driver left scene than your just trying to be contrary.
The only reason why people don't want to accept this theory is because that means the driver's fate was in her own hands.

3.Driver left the scene under there own power- Do you have proof or evidence that this is fact>4.Driver lied about calling for help- Do you have proof or evidence that this is a fact?

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Haha, great story wowzer, definitely a funny analogy.
Honestly that sounds like the best explanation that I've heard, that it was stuffed deep in the pipe but a corner of it was sticking out, or something like that.
But every description of it described it as a standard shop rag, which aren't that big. Maybe 1'x1.5', I don't see how a standard shop rag could be both way up there and hanging out the end as well.
And if it was hanging out the end why did the witnesses who've spoken on it describe it as way up there? Idk how far way up there is, it's not exactly an exact description but one would have to assume that implies it wasn't sticking out the end.
What's the point of saying it was way up there if it was hanging out the end? It sounds like lavoie wanted people to know that it wasn't just hanging out the muffler, it wasn't some idiotic sort of signal or idiotic attempt at roadside safety, that it was way up there. But that is obviously just my interpretation and I could be wrong about that, it wouldn't be the first time.
And for the record I didn't bring up the rag thing again this time, fakeLE did

I talked with first responders and they stated there was a rag in the tailpipe. Some of them were not there long enough to get under the vehicle to check it out.But they saw the rag. Others were told to move away from the vehicle. Maybe it was misinterpertation of someone trying to sell a book.FRMLE I need spell check. Are you here? Thank you.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Actually I'm not the only one who is confident she is not in the woods near the crash site.
This is what scarinza has said on several different occasion.
It's obviously theoreticall possible that she could be in the woods but it is cleary the least likely of all the scenarios. I am not the only one saying this either, this is what LE said in an early news report.
How close is anywhere near the crash site is a good question. Going by what scarinza has said I would say that means anywhere along the stretch of 112 between 302 and n Woodstock.
If you listen to scarinza speak there isn't a lot about this case that he sounds confident about, or is willing to say confidently at least. As far as I can tell the only thing he actually sounds confident of is that she isn't in the woods near the crash. It's pretty clear that he, and the other investigators who are actually working this case for the NHSP believe she caught a ride.

112 between 302 and n woodstock is merely your own opinion.No where has Scarinza ever stated this. You can never say what another person thinks or what they mean by there statements

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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Merely as an aside (I'm not the grammar/spelling police)- if you'd intend upon swaying people to your side of the argument, perhaps consider not using the term 'stupidest.'
It's not a word. It devalues your argument.
Which, incidentally, I disagree with - I don't think it's unreasonable to think she ran into the woods because she had been drinking, was scared, and ran from the cops. It's an entirely plausible - nay, LIKELY, scenario, for a young, drinking, scared girl on probation to run from an impending DUI (and I think it's safe to bet that Maura would have been arrested for intoxicated driving, had she remained by the car). Why do you think it is such a ridiculous idea?
BTW, why is it Jenkins-OG? In my head, I always read it as 'OG' in rap/hip-hop culture - thus, original gangsta. I can't imagine your posts lining up with one who considers himself an O.G., but I thought I would ask. Thanks Jenkins.
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Ok the reason why I think it's such a ridiculous notion that she entered the woods is because it was the dead of winter in NH, freezing cold, there was 2'+ of snow on the ground and she was wearing tennis shoes and jeans. She didnt even have gloves on. She had like 3 or 4 pairs of gloves she left in her car, wouldn't you think she would at least have grabbed a pair if she thought she might be going into the woods?
When the sbd saw her he said she was already shivering. Do you have any idea what it entails to climb a snowbank and go into the woods?
By the time she got down to the other side her sneakers and the bottom of her jeans would've been packed with snow and her jeans likely would've been soaked. The other side of a snowbank after you climb over it is really soft and deep snow, she wouldve sunken up to her thighs at least and she would've have been freezing. Are you from NH? Have you ever been in the woods when there's 2' of snow? Have you ever walked through 2' of snow wearing sneakers? I have and it is not fun, it is not the kind of conditions you decide your just going to hang out in to 'wait it out'

You guys talk about entering into the woods like it's a walk in the park.

If it was summertime, or fall then yes I would think that there would be a good chance of her entering the woods, but the notion of her going into the woods in those conditions wearing what she was is just unbelievable. If she was already shivering after being out of her car for a few minutes her body would've been screaming at her the second she came down the other side of the snowbank and got into deep snow with her shoes and jeans packed.
If she did enter the woods she would've had to realize it was a suicide mission. I can't see anyone actually continuing on into the woods after that, that just seems insane. Even if she was up there to kill herself I still don't think she would've entered the woods more than a few feet before realizing that this would be one of the worst ways to die imaginable; it would have been tortuous, complete hell. Who chooses one of the most painful ways to kill themselves imaginable? That just seems completely insane.

Considering the fact she was already shivering I would think that the safety of a nice warm car would be looking like heaven to her at that point, it would get her out of the area quickly and get her warm. This is likely exactly why she dropped her guard and accepted a ride, she was probably f'n freezing!

Why do you guys think it is more likely that she would enter the woods in those conditions rather than catch a ride? Do you realize how easy it would be for her to catch a ride in those conditions and that time of night? Any driver on the road is willing to stop and pick up a young girl who is stranded.
It just makes logical sense that she would've caught a ride from the area, I really just don't see any logic in her entering the woods right then. Please tell me why you think it's so likely she did enter the woods.

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Her Family thinks she took a ride and left the area. To go where? Where have their searches been located? I don't seen them putting posters up in neighboring states. In my opinion they can say whatever they want but actions speak louder than words. The search is and has been very generalized to that area. FM can say she took a ride all he wants, but than why stay in the local bar "looking for that clue" if she can be anywhere.
The FBI stated the disappearances of MM and BM are unrelated. Why? I think because the FBI doesn't think MM met foul play.
I'm sorry you think I'm a weirdo, but thats called sarcasm. You don't realize the format of your own posts. I find it very funny the only time I attempt to post as you - you call me a weirdo. I try not to fight with any posters but you always respond to me in a certain format:
1. Tell me I'm wrong
2. call me an idiot or stupid
3. Destroy my theory using your created facts made up of assumptions based off of what someone says.
4. Introduce your interpretation as fact - thus proving me wrong.
5. Someone where in the post agreeing with the person that you just disagreed with and called an idiot or stupid.

We believe Maura was abducted.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>We believe Maura was abducted.

I hope someday that we will know where Maura went and what happened to her so the family will have some closure and this internet circus can finally end.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I hope someday that we will know where Maura went and what happened to her so the family will have some closure and this internet circus can finally end.

Thank you Wowzer.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>112 between 302 and n woodstock is merely your own opinion.No where has Scarinza ever stated this. You can never say what another person thinks or what they mean by there statements

That is very true and a good point citi, & obviously that is my interpretation of what he was saying.

Here is the reason I interpreted it as such: While scarinza never says "from 302 to n woodstock" he does specifically state that they flew 17 miles in the helicopter, it is about 12 miles from the WB curve to n Woodstock and about 5 miles back to 302, so you would think that has got to be the 17 miles he is talking about, would you agree with that?

Obviously nobody can be 100% certain she isn't in the woods at this point, the question is how likely it is. When you combine the lack of any trail leading into the woods with the fact that the dog lost the scent 100yds up the road it starts to become fairly clear that she probably did catch a ride. Neither of these things are definite; the dog could have just lost its scent trail and it's possible the guys in the helicopter missed her trail into the woods, but both of these things combined seem to indicate that she probably caught a ride. Then if you also combine this with the fact that she was already shivering by the time the sbd arrived on the scene it seems to start to paint a pretty clear picture that she caught a ride from the immediate area, which would have been the easiest, fastest and most comfortable way to get out of there.

It just makes sense that she caught a ride and left the scene, that is probably why the NHSP, the HPD and the family all say they believe she probably caught a ride from the scene.

Maruchan wrote:

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We have, over and over. And each time, you ignore what we post, until we call you out again, and you say pretty much the exact same thing, over and over and over and over ...
I'm curious. Jenkins says he has been on the MM boards for years. Do any of you long-timers remember him? You would remember him, I'm sure.

Bullshit, total bullshit right here. Every time anyone has ever accused me of making something up I have always backed up what I said with a quote or some other fact. It's funny actually, with all this shit people talk about me making things up nobody has ever actually been able to catch me making something up, not once, not gonna happen either, wanna know why? Because I've never made anything up and never will. That's why people are always breaking out super weak shit, where I should've worded something a little differently. Kind of like a couple weeks ago when you accused me of stating something as a fact when it wasn't, and you were right, it wasn't a fact. Only problem with what you were saying was I really just worded the sentence funny and it sounded like I was stating it as a fact, even though I obviously wasn't because in the sentence before I asked if it was possible. Im obviously not stating something as a fact if in the sentence before I'm asking if it is even possible.

It's ridiculous, it's such a cheesy way of trying to discredit me, it's weak. Nobody is ever going to find anything legitimate that I've made up, it's just not going to happen.

Maruchan wrote:

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Excellent!!! It's nearly perfect, except that you needed to repeat each thought a few more times in the post, use the word "literally" and throw in a few "that's just a fact." Clearly.:)

Wow, you can't really believe this shit that your writing can you??

When the hell have I ever written out some crazy theory like that?
Saying that she most likely caught a ride isn't some crazy theory, it's probably what happened, it's what the NHSP believes is probably what happened.

Lighthouse's example was of a meteor being magnetically attracted to Maura's jewelry, which she left in the car btw, and hitting her and that's what happened to her. That is completely 100% impossible.
Saying that she probably caught a ride is absolutely nothing like that ridiculous, impossible theory and you must know that.
Saying that it's possible she got abducted and killed, which certainly is possible, is absolutely nothing like that at all either.

When exactly did I ever state a ridiculously stupid theory that is actually impossible? Seriously, when the hell did I EVER make a post that is anything even remotely like that stupid post that lighthouse wrote today?
You must know this, I suspect your not being honest here, you just can't be. Either that or your hallucinating? Idk, did you eat a lot of acid or something in your younger years??

Actually, When have I ever even written a theory as to what I think happened? I haven't, in reality I don't even have a theory. I believe, like the family does, that Maura was probably abducted but even that I'm not sure about. In my mind I switch back and forth between she got killed and she ran away and started a new life. I actually have no idea what happened, it is a true mystery. The only thing I believe is that it's pretty obvious that she caught a ride from the scene and isn't in the woods anywhere near the crash site.

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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In my head, I always read it as 'OG' in rap/hip-hop culture - thus, original gangsta. I can't imagine your posts lining up with one who considers himself an O.G., but I thought I would ask.
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Im a 9 Tre Double OG reppin that 5, ECB! From Tha Jungle :)
& im j/p .. Please dont take seriously.. I thought ur comment was funny..
Im Sicilian, couldnt be any of that lame stuff.. Im sure uve heard in ur job what ive said though lol

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Thanks Emmett. You get it.
FYI They call it a farmers market here.

Your welcome! & yes I do! I made some stupid post at first cus I felt "backed into a corner" but as I read this whole thread, It is "Right as Rain" for you to stick up for your own.. Im not even going to lie & act like I havent done it in my hometown! I personally think that your doing the right thing.. & thanks for the info, we have weird names here.. Tbh we have a Farmers Market, but its for farm supplies lol..

Maruchan wrote:

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I'm curious. Jenkins says he has been on the MM boards for years. Do any of you long-timers remember him? You would remember him, I'm sure.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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He/she would be very hard to forget. I don't remember anyone posting quite like him and I have to wonder how someone that says they've been on the forums for years remembers so little about past conversations and words said.Jenkins asks questions that he should know if he's been on the boards for years.JMHO

So what are you saying that I'm making it up?? I wasn't on the original MM forum? I most certainly was, I always posted under the name 'Jenkins'

The only people that are still here, that I remember, that are posting under the same names are citigirl, shack and wowzer. well and beagle, but he didn't post under the name beagle then he posted under the names 'doppleganger' and 'stone soup'

The thing is, the forums were very very different back then, people were much nicer to each other. The forum was a much nicer place then it is today..Actually It was almost weird sometimes, there was some guy named bob who was a bartender in woodsville somewhere and he would serve "virtual drinks" in something people called "time out tent" or the TOT. That was kinda weird if you ask me.

There was no people like maruchan and fakeLE who jump down people's throats over every little thing that they can, there were no people that were tryin to end the conversation by basically turning it into an argument, so my posts were very different back then. I didn't need to make these long posts because there weren't people arguing every single little mundane detail. Now I feel like I need to make these long ass posts because everything I say I need to explain how I reached that conclusion on like every single point that I make, or otherwise I got idiots accusing me of making shit up and I still get accused of it, even though no ones ever actually been able to catch me making up anything.

At the time RO(robinsonordway) was givin details about the red truck I was drivin back and forth between Nh and VT a couple times a week and I was emailing with her about red trucks because I was keeping an eye out for the red truck.
The forum was a much nicer place back then, I don't remember wowzer being anything like she is today.

And for the record wowzer, I actually remember a lot from those old forums and IMO what you were saying earlier about the poisoning of the area is a gross over exaggeration, it's pretty ridiculous actually. There might have been some stupid shit said time to time but the whole "hateful venomous posts" thing is just plain ridiculous and I suspect you know it too.
My posts were different back then, but so was the forum. I took a few years off from posting and actually the reason I started posting again is specifically because of people like wowzer, bill, fakeLE and snowy basically taking over the forums. I hasn't read the forums in like a year and when I did j was shocked at what I saw; you guys inspired me to start posting again.. Seems like you guys ran a lot of people off by harrassing them about annoying, stupid shit. Well that's not gonna Happen to me, you guys clearly want these forums to end and that's fucked up.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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That is very true and a good point citi, & obviously that is my interpretation of what he was saying.
Here is the reason I interpreted it as such: While scarinza never says "from 302 to n woodstock" he does specifically state that they flew 17 miles in the helicopter, it is about 12 miles from the WB curve to n Woodstock and about 5 miles back to 302, so you would think that has got to be the 17 miles he is talking about, would you agree with that?
Obviously nobody can be 100% certain she isn't in the woods at this point, the question is how likely it is. When you combine the lack of any trail leading into the woods with the fact that the dog lost the scent 100yds up the road it starts to become fairly clear that she probably did catch a ride. Neither of these things are definite; the dog could have just lost its scent trail and it's possible the guys in the helicopter missed her trail into the woods, but both of these things combined seem to indicate that she probably caught a ride. Then if you also combine this with the fact that she was already shivering by the time the sbd arrived on the scene it seems to start to paint a pretty clear picture that she caught a ride from the immediate area, which would have been the easiest, fastest and most comfortable way to get out of there.
It just makes sense that she caught a ride and left the scene, that is probably why the NHSP, the HPD and the family all say they believe she probably caught a ride from the scene.

Iam unable to find the article you are referring to about Scarinza stating he flew 17 miles in the helicopter. Could you please give me the link as to where you read this? Thank you.

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So what are you saying that I'm making it up?? I wasn't on the original MM forum? I most certainly was, I always posted under the name 'Jenkins'
The only people that are still here, that I remember, that are posting under the same names are citigirl, shack and wowzer. well and beagle, but he didn't post under the name beagle then he posted under the names 'doppleganger' and 'stone soup'
The thing is, the forums were very very different back then, people were much nicer to each other. The forum was a much nicer place then it is today..Actually It was almost weird sometimes, there was some guy named bob who was a bartender in woodsville somewhere and he would serve "virtual drinks" in something people called "time out tent" or the TOT. That was kinda weird if you ask me.
There was no people like maruchan and fakeLE who jump down people's throats over every little thing that they can, there were no people that were tryin to end the conversation by basically turning it into an argument, so my posts were very different back then. I didn't need to make these long posts because there weren't people arguing every single little mundane detail. Now I feel like I need to make these long ass posts because everything I say I need to explain how I reached that conclusion on like every single point that I make, or otherwise I got idiots accusing me of making shit up and I still get accused of it, even though no ones ever actually been able to catch me making up anything.
At the time RO(robinsonordway) was givin details about the red truck I was drivin back and forth between Nh and VT a couple times a week and I was emailing with her about red trucks because I was keeping an eye out for the red truck.
The forum was a much nicer place back then, I don't remember wowzer being anything like she is today.
And for the record wowzer, I actually remember a lot from those old forums and IMO what you were saying earlier about the poisoning of the area is a gross over exaggeration, it's pretty ridiculous actually. There might have been some stupid shit said time to time but the whole "hateful venomous posts" thing is just plain ridiculous and I suspect you know it too.
My posts were different back then, but so was the forum. I took a few years off from posting and actually the reason I started posting again is specifically because of people like wowzer, bill, fakeLE and snowy basically taking over the forums. I hasn't read the forums in like a year and when I did j was shocked at what I saw; you guys inspired me to start posting again.. Seems like you guys ran a lot of people off by harrassing them about annoying, stupid shit. Well that's not gonna Happen to me, you guys clearly want these forums to end and that's fucked up.

There was a guy that posted on the MM forum under the name of Bobfather. Im not sure if this is the poster you are referring to.

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Ok the reason why I think it's such a ridiculous notion that she entered the woods is because it was the dead of winter in NH, freezing cold, there was 2'+ of snow on the ground and she was wearing tennis shoes and jeans. She didnt even have gloves on. She had like 3 or 4 pairs of gloves she left in her car, wouldn't you think she would at least have grabbed a pair if she thought she might be going into the woods?
When the sbd saw her he said she was already shivering. Do you have any idea what it entails to climb a snowbank and go into the woods?
. Are you from NH? Have you ever been in the woods when there's 2' of snow? Have you ever walked through 2' of snow wearing sneakers? I have and it is not fun, it is not the kind of conditions you decide your just going to hang out in to 'wait it out'

Please tell me why you think it's so likely she did enter the woods.

SNIPPED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND NOT RE-HASH THE WHOLE POST

No, I'm from Chicago - but you already knew that. I'll take that question to be a thinly-veiled jab at my lack of knowledge re: NH winters.

Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the winters in NH. I do know a lot about an intoxicated, college-aged, scared runner - because I fit the bill for all of the above requirements, about 10 years ago, when I was Maura's age. And in re: to NH winters, I will defer to WTH-Bill's information, and that posted by Snowy, JWB, and Wowzer - hell, even by you, Jenkins. You've all commented on the scenario in depth, and it's my personal opinion that, terrified of an impending DUI, she COULD HAVE BOOKED IT INTO THE WOODS TO WAIT OUT THE COPS.

Please take note of the 'could have'. It's a viable option. That's all I'm saying. I think it is also reasonable to assume that she hitched a ride willingly OR unwillingly. I would not feel comfortable placing 'likelihood bets' on any of the scenarios because I haven't seen the file.

To categorically discount the POSSIBILITY that she COULD HAVE ran into the woods, scared, intoxicated, hoping to wait 'em out for just a couple minutes...to get service on her phone...to give her two minutes to THINK...well, the deny this possibility, or to wave it off with a cavalier,'that didn't happen, and it is an illogical assumption'....well, it's simply close-minded.

You are supporting your conclusions through incorrect, broad-sweeping, factually inaccurate assumptions. If I had the time or the inclination, I would pour through the past months of Topix, and post blatant opinions that you stated as, unequivocally, fact. That is my problem with your posts - someone 'new' to the case could think that the inaccuracies you posted as fact were precisely that, when they are not. They are your opinion.

Jenkins:

I say this with the utmost sincerity. I think you have some valuable points in your posts, but the verbose nature of the multitude of your posts dissuade people from reading them closely. Instead, they skim them, and what jumps out, is the stating-as-fact of opinion statements. I'm sure you are going to request a citation for this so I'll prep myself, but I'm respectfully of the opinion that, should you state your opinion as such and back up your facts, you would have much more support here.

To be quite honest, I like reading your posts. When you start to go off on a tangent, I skim them. I am sure that I've missed some potentially thought-provoking posts you've made, by doing that.

I don't think you are an idiot. I think you are incorrect about FRMLe, and I think that your disagreements with Bill WTF/WTH have led to a mutual combative gist to your respective posts. That's unfortunate, because I believe that both Bill and FrmLE have a lot to offer this forum.

You don't have to agree with me, re: FrmLE. Or Bill. They are both precisely whom they claim to be, in my opinion.

@ Simply - I can tell your smart! Just the way you type & how you word everything..

Thats a reason I always listend to Bill... He makes good points, plus he's always been nice to me..

I havent talked to FrmLe but I did see him drop names about databases that most people have never mentioned or even have knowledge of...

I tend to lean towards the locals side in the name calling.. I guess its the small town heart in me..

I really wished some kind of info, new evidence, or something thats factual would surface so the quailty of post would be better & hopefully people like citigirl can hopefully find some closuer!

Any luck with Anthony Fareri's Delta Protective Services? You know, a company that arranges assignments for security personnel?