Maura Murray

Det Dirtbag wrote:

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The point they're making is that she EITHER "hitched a ride and continued on her way,[OR] was abducted." But if she was headed to Easton to party with the Kenney/Miller crowd she was not abducted.

Exactly, I never said that just because she caught a ride means she was definitely murdered, only that it's most likely she caught a ride from the crash scene. What happened after she caught that ride is obviously a true mystery.

Now what's up with what your saying about going to hang out with the kenney/miller crowd?? Do you have any information indicating that is where she was headed? Do you think she knew liko kenney or bode miller or any of their friends? I've never heard anything like that, please elaborate.

Jenkins,

You seem to know a little about Maura Murray's possible attendance at a New Year's Eve party in Goshen NH? Couple of questions, please.

If there was a Goshen party...

Was it located on Old Province Road?

Was any food for the party purchased at Old Village Pizza in Newport NH?

Thanks.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Yes,'bobfather' lol is exactly who I'm talking about. He was the only bartender on the board to my knowledge and the one who would serve "virtual drinks" to people in the TOT. I always found that whole thing weird but the board was obviously way different than topix is today, would you not agree with that citi?
People were much nicer, much more respectful and there were way less personal attacks, people were respectful of differing opinions and would attack the message, not the messenger. Very different. The few people that still post all post differently than they do today, even you citi. I remember your posts being different than they are today, not saying in a bad way, just different.

I seem to recall at least a couple of exceptions. Sophie Bean, for one. Elsewherebriefly, for another. And then there were the PMs.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Exactly, I never said that just because she caught a ride means she was definitely murdered, only that it's most likely she caught a ride from the crash scene. What happened after she caught that ride is obviously a true mystery.
Now what's up with what your saying about going to hang out with the kenney/miller crowd?? Do you have any information indicating that is where she was headed? Do you think she knew liko kenney or bode miller or any of their friends? I've never heard anything like that, please elaborate.

Exactly. She caught a ride.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Exactly, I never said that just because she caught a ride means she was definitely murdered, only that it's most likely she caught a ride from the crash scene. What happened after she caught that ride is obviously a true mystery.
Now what's up with what your saying about going to hang out with the kenney/miller crowd?? Do you have any information indicating that is where she was headed? Do you think she knew liko kenney or bode miller or any of their friends? I've never heard anything like that, please elaborate.

Okay, Jenkins, Beagle...someone, please...inform me as to the correlation between the murder of McKay (I don't know the details, Google'd it awhile back, when it was referenced here, but I only know the barest of details)- and Maura Murray.

Evidently, Bode Miller is cousins with Kenney? Okay, I get it - but again, what does that have to do with Maura Murray?

It appears there are threads here @ Topix slamming McKay. I don't get that. The man was murdered - isn't there a dashcam with the evidence?

Simply sarcasm- I never meant to categorically deny her being in the woods as impossible, it is one of the possibilities, I'm only trying to say that it is way less likely than her catching a ride.

When you say she ran into the woods real quick that makes it sound like an easy proposition. Just to enter the woods she would have had to climb a rather large snowbank which in itself is not easy.

If there wasn't a couple feet of snow on the ground I would agree that she might want to run into the woods to hide out, but running into the woods in those conditions would NOT be easy. I know/have known a lot of college age girls that seem just like Maura, runners, pretty, in good shape, and liked to drink. I went to college for a few years in NH not far from the crash site. I don't know one of them who would EVER enter the woods by themselves at night with two feet of snow on the ground, especially wearing tennis shoes and jeans. Just thinking of all the college age girls I've ever known this is the absolute last thing they would ever do. Just think about how little and thin Maura was, she obviously couldn't handle the cold very well considering she was already shivering by the time the sbd arrived on the scene. If your already freezing cold wouldn't entering the woods where your sneakers and bottom of your jeans are going to be instantly packed with snow be the last thing you would want to do? Wouldn't it make way more sense to catch a ride in a nice warm car?

And if she did enter the woods what do you make of the lack of any footprints leading into the woods near the crash site? How do you explain that fact?

SS- As for fakeLE & bill; I believe bill is who he says he is and I also believe fakeLE was probably a former cop, I just don't believe for a second that he has or ever had any inside info on this case. His story has changed too many times an it is just blatantly obvious that no cop who ever worked this case, or was illegally shown the case file(remember the fact that he stated both of these at different times) would ever be posting on a forum about the case.

These guys are actually specifically the reason I started posting again early this year. I came and read the forum and couldn't believe what they were now stating as fact that clearly wasn't. The fact is that there is a very strong possibility that Maura was abducted and killed, this is what the family believes and it's pretty clear that this is what nh LE believes as well. I didnt want someone who just heard about this case to search it online and read this forum and think 'oh, she was just some drunk girl who got lost in the woods''nothing to see here' Reading the forum it appeared to me that these people were trying to spread misinformation about the case. On top of that these guys are literally the most argumentative, disrespectful and just downright rude posters I've ever witnessed on any message board ever. My first post back they jumped all over me with personal attacks, just like they do to any other poster who doesn't hold their opinion. Personally I would love to see the forum return to just debating the facts of the case, like it used to be, but for some reason these guys can just can not disagree with someone without personal attacks. Funniest thing about it is even when they know they're wrong they STILL break out personal attacks. their M.O.? When in doubt, when you can't win the argument with facts, call the poster stupid. That is the weakest form of debate, the form that a 5 yr old uses.
IMO bill has brought sme valuable insight into this case, his SAR experience, EMS and outdoor experience can offer some interesting info in regards to this case. But fakeLE, I'm yet to see anything of value that he's added, bill seems straight up, like he believes much of what he's writing to be true; but fakeLE on the other hand...I can't help shake the feeling that he is here specifically to spread misinformation about the case. It's weird, if he really has any inside info why is everything he has to say basically the exact opposite of the real investigators who actually worked this case and have spoken on record about it? there is just no way this guy has any inside info about this case, this much we can be certain of.

I appreciate your respectful critism of my posts and will try to take some of your advice.

It's very complicated; like trying to give a course on organic chemistry in little sound bites on the radio. That being said...

McKay was a cop in Haverhill before he went to Franconia, where he was shot dead and run over twice by Liko Kenney on May 7, 2007, exactly two months before a planned wedding to Sharon Davis (who later altered her last name to Davis-McKay). Kenney was then immediately killed by passerby Greg Floyd.

McKay's 2nd wife was a dispatcher, I think also at Haverhill PD or EMS or whatever communications set-up they had at the time. They later divorced.

Sharon Davis is a good friend of Bob Freitas, who is a private detective and member of the NHSP Cold Case Unit. He is investigating - other terms come to mind - Maura Murray's disappearance.

The McKay/Kenney shooting is more like a side issue, certainly not a core issue. The most that might be speculated is that McKay believed Maura was on her way to Tamarack when she disappeared, and thus McKay's problems with Liko, but most would agree that McKay and Liko would have clashed no matter what.

The Kenney/Miller clan is controversial, unconventional, everyone knows this. They're kind of the opposite of the straight arrow, McKay kind of cop image.

Det Dirtbag wrote:

Jenkins,
You seem to know a little about Maura Murray's possible attendance at a New Year's Eve party in Goshen NH? Couple of questions, please.
If there was a Goshen party...
Was it located on Old Province Road?
Was any food for the party purchased at Old Village Pizza in Newport NH?
Thanks.

Hey dirtbag- honestly I know nothing about the party other then Maura attended. I have no clue as to where it was, who else was there or If they got pizza or anything like that.
The only other thing I know about it is that for some reason her family didn't seem to want the general public to know that she attended this party, it basically took 8 years for this info to come to light. I wonder why that is, did they decide themselves that they didn't want the public to know she attended a NYE party in nh barely over a month before she went missing? Did LE tell them to keep this information hidden?

Back on the original MM forum this was one of the questions I, and others, asked: where did she spend NYE that year? And we never received and answer. Earlier this year when I learned that she had actually spent NYE at a party in NH, barely 45 min from the crash scene I was pretty surprised about that.

I wonder who was at this party, was there other people from umass there? Was any of her family present? Was it new friends from NH that she met?

Could it be significant that she was partying in NH a month before she went missing? Was she in NH to meet someone that she had met at that party or already knew who was at the party? Why didn't she spend NYE with billy? Usually for young people NYE is a fairly important night that they want to spend with their significant other.
I find the fact that she spent NYE in NH interesting, it could be significant to the case but it also might have no significance. Without more info it's pretty much impossible to say. The fact that the family kept this info hidden makes me think there may be something to it, but I really don't know

To make a very long, very complicated story very short, which in some ways wrings the truth out of it, IMO (just to be technically and politically correct here)...

Maura went to NH to party. What happened in Amherst is basically irrelevant.

There was a rumor that Bode Miller and Chip Knight were coming in briefly between stops on the World Cup, which was then taking place in Europe. Rumors were flying everywhere: girl talk, boy talk, party talk, all kinds of talk talk. Chip Knight is from Stowe. Bode Miller is from Easton, but was Olympic medalist and officially associated with Bretton Woods. Who's going where? How to do this? Everything's kind of frantic and improvised.

Maura meets someone at the bowling alley in Woodsville and starts for Easton. Her car spins out on WB curve and she takes a ride from her friend. They go to party, unaware that one of Mitt Romney's sons is in the area after working in the 2004 primary. There has been bad blood between the Romney family and the Kenney/Miller clan since they clashed at the 2002 Winter Games, run by Mitt Romney. Security for the Salt Lake City Olympics was directed by Romney friend retired Gen. Bruce M. Lawlor, first chief-of-staff of the Department of Homeland Security.

There is an incident that involves one of Governor Romney's sons. Maura dies more or less accidentally. Son tells dad, who asks Kelly Ayotte to request detectives to go real, real slow on Maura's disappearance. Romney asks for help from his friend Lawlor, who knows how to keep things quiet. Lawlor taps long-time spook Maris Licis to do the road work. It is unknown whether or not PR expert Shelley Clark was also involved.

Yessirreee.. from the undeniable to the unbelievable.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Hey dirtbag- honestly I know nothing about the party other then Maura attended. I have no clue as to where it was, who else was there or If they got pizza or anything like that.
The only other thing I know about it is that for some reason her family didn't seem to want the general public to know that she attended this party, it basically took 8 years for this info to come to light. I wonder why that is, did they decide themselves that they didn't want the public to know she attended a NYE party in nh barely over a month before she went missing? Did LE tell them to keep this information hidden?
Back on the original MM forum this was one of the questions I, and others, asked: where did she spend NYE that year? And we never received and answer. Earlier this year when I learned that she had actually spent NYE at a party in NH, barely 45 min from the crash scene I was pretty surprised about that.
I wonder who was at this party, was there other people from umass there? Was any of her family present? Was it new friends from NH that she met?
Could it be significant that she was partying in NH a month before she went missing? Was she in NH to meet someone that she had met at that party or already knew who was at the party? Why didn't she spend NYE with billy? Usually for young people NYE is a fairly important night that they want to spend with their significant other.
I find the fact that she spent NYE in NH interesting, it could be significant to the case but it also might have no significance. Without more info it's pretty much impossible to say. The fact that the family kept this info hidden makes me think there may be something to it, but I really don't know

Here you go Jenky,

From James Renner's blog:

"The mother of Andrea Connolly, one of Maura's close friends from Whitman-Hanson, tells me detectives were very interested in the news that Maura spent New Years Eve at a house owned by Connolly's friend in Goshen, New Hampshire, a month before she disappeared. Nobody was living there the week Maura went missing, but they did call up to neighbors to have them check the house. But it was empty."

"Goshen is about an hour and a half drive from Haverhill."

Det Dirtbag wrote:

To make a very long, very complicated story very short, which in some ways wrings the truth out of it, IMO (just to be technically and politically correct here)...
Maura went to NH to party. What happened in Amherst is basically irrelevant.
There was a rumor that Bode Miller and Chip Knight were coming in briefly between stops on the World Cup, which was then taking place in Europe. Rumors were flying everywhere: girl talk, boy talk, party talk, all kinds of talk talk. Chip Knight is from Stowe. Bode Miller is from Easton, but was Olympic medalist and officially associated with Bretton Woods. Who's going where? How to do this? Everything's kind of frantic and improvised.
Maura meets someone at the bowling alley in Woodsville and starts for Easton. Her car spins out on WB curve and she takes a ride from her friend. They go to party, unaware that one of Mitt Romney's sons is in the area after working in the 2004 primary. There has been bad blood between the Romney family and the Kenney/Miller clan since they clashed at the 2002 Winter Games, run by Mitt Romney. Security for the Salt Lake City Olympics was directed by Romney friend retired Gen. Bruce M. Lawlor, first chief-of-staff of the Department of Homeland Security.
There is an incident that involves one of Governor Romney's sons. Maura dies more or less accidentally. Son tells dad, who asks Kelly Ayotte to request detectives to go real, real slow on Maura's disappearance. Romney asks for help from his friend Lawlor, who knows how to keep things quiet. Lawlor taps long-time spook Maris Licis to do the road work. It is unknown whether or not PR expert Shelley Clark was also involved.
Yessirreee.. from the undeniable to the unbelievable.

LOL, THIS!!!! IS the single greatest post on Topix, EVER!!

I literally laughed out loud, Thank You! Really, thanks.

lolol

FrmLE wrote:

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LOL, THIS!!!! IS the single greatest post on Topix, EVER!!
I literally laughed out loud, Thank You! Really, thanks.
lolol

Made your day?

Carl Drega wrote:

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Doesn't matter. We're cops. We do what we want. We "put people like you in their place! Rather really legal or not.."

Carl Drega wrote:

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lol!!! I do know who Carl Drega was!

Yall is crazy! some JFK type stuff here..

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Yall is crazy!

Bob Freitas is what's crazy.

FrmLE wrote:

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LOL, THIS!!!! IS the single greatest post on Topix, EVER!!
I literally laughed out loud, Thank You! Really, thanks.
lolol

Hmpf. If you find it amusing, you must be a Democrat!

Just joshin'.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Yall is crazy!

Bamboo and sodomy is what's crazy!!!!!

Scott E Phillips wrote:

<quoted text>Doesn't matter. We're cops. We do what we want. We "put people like you in their place! Rather really legal or not.."

I find the reference to Carl Drega (I confess, I had to Google it) AND this post above, in reply to FrmLE, to be rude, crass, and generally a pathetic attempt at frightening and/or threatening him passively.

If you want to be some type of anti-law enforcement badass, do it - don't champion the names of the dead who've already tangoed with Law Enforcement...and lost their lives in the process.

If this was Twitter, I'd hash tag it with #youaintaboutthatlife, but I'm sure only Emmett and I know what that means. Maybe Jenkins :)

Someone at NWDA gave Robert C. Stevens of PSII, Inc. Beagle's name, address, and phone number. Then all the fun began.