Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What strategic value do you think there would be to remove posters of someone who went missing five years ago?

Good question. The answer All depends on who is actually taking em down.

For a potential perp there could obviously be some benefits. Let's say for the sake of argument that the guy is a local.
He would know if anyone drove by while he was picking up Maura, say like 4 cars drive past while he was talkin to her and he knows none of them have come forward as witnesses. Well he would also be able to determine that they probably didn't come forward because they don't know she's even missing. Taking down the posters could have a clear strategic advantage to someone like that, obviously.
Or if someone from LE is taking em down maybe the advantage would be just so people forget about the whole thing. They could have a guilty conscience or they could be worried about their image.
Same as if it is just some random local weirdo takIng en down. Maybe they don't like to be reminded a girl went missing, and was probably abducted, from their back yard? Maybe they think that it makes the area look bad?

There's a whole slew of reasons someone might go through the effort of taking down the posters an theres different people who might have different reasons.

My whole point is this, the vast vast majority of fliers that have been put up have been taken down within a fairly short period of time. That is sketchy. Like wowzer said that her friends from Woodstock said to her: "they can't see someone taking down a missing person poster", or something to that effect. I agree, why would an average citizen who is perfectly innocent and not connected to this case go through the effort of taking down fliers that have been put up? Who would take down a missing person poster and why?
Why is it that posters of a lost dog or cat don't get taken down but a missing persons poster does?
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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Bobfather - if you take your arguments and look at them as an Algebraic equation you constantly change the value of "x" as many times as you feel like it just to try to solve the equation. However everyone can see that you changed the value of "x" so many times that the equation no longer makes sense.

Ummmm, what the hell are you talking about? I think you might need to retake your algebra class there buddy.
When have I changed what I'm saying?
As far as the posters go I've constantly said the majority of posters have been taken down and I would like to know why, that's been very consistent. When I gave my example about the many posters on 112 I always said they were taken down within 1-2 mos, again, no change at all.

As far as the whole case is concerned I've always stuck to the likelihood that she caught a ride, I've never wavered from that. That's what the family believes, LE believes and the majority of witnesses who've spoken about that on record have said.
Now after the ride I'm not quite as sure; but I do believe she caught a ride from the wrong person and was abducted. Again, I've never wavered from that assertion. I don't know for sure that's what happened but I've always stuck to that as what I believe happened. So again, what Yur saying about me changing the value of 'X' makes absolutely no sense in the slightest bit. You seriously need to consult an algebra book or something cuz you ain't making no sense at all.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I'm not exaggerating at all in the slightest bit, they were there during the winter of 08-09 for sure and there was a real lot of em too.
Some posters I'm sure would get blown down, but in a two day window? Every single one? That makes no sense at all.
Somebody definitely took down those posters.
I agree that telephone poles alon 112 Arent the most effective spot to place them but I believe they were put there to make a point, and because they'd been taken down in the past.
The fact they were there is the 100% truth. Your saying you didn't see them, either you didn't drive that road during that one month or two window or your lying about it, there is no other option.
Probably wasn't even two months they were up, more like one month. They were all doin just fine one the poles, they weren't ripping or falling off in the slightest bit, and then one day...all gone.
Somebody took those posters down, the question is who.
The wind and rain did NOT blow those specific posters down

You were monitoring this situation approx 3-4 years ago? And only mention it now? Seems you have latched on to some conspiracy morsel, hardly a stroke of genius. It makes for good backfill, however, where nothing else is news on the MM Topix thread.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text> If JWB came on and said I would like to help could you please supply me with posters I would have contacted those with posters and sent them to him.

What? Are you kidding? I never asked you for posters? My very first post about this subject I said that I would put up posters and asked if Wowzer wnd Jenkins wanted to help distribute them, and I asked you in the very same post if you could supply posters. You got all bent out of shape and said that you spent thousands of dollars already.

You misinterpreted my post so I explained it many times after ( The money where your mouth comment) Remember ? That was not ment as a swipe at all but merely it is a phrase intended to mean "talk is cheap lets do something." If it were a swipe then I wouldn't have included myself into the equation. I tried to clarify it to you.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Good question. The answer All depends on who is actually taking em down.
For a potential perp there could obviously be some benefits. Let's say for the sake of argument that the guy is a local.
He would know if anyone drove by while he was picking up Maura, say like 4 cars drive past while he was talkin to her and he knows none of them have come forward as witnesses. Well he would also be able to determine that they probably didn't come forward because they don't know she's even missing. Taking down the posters could have a clear strategic advantage to someone like that, obviously.
Or if someone from LE is taking em down maybe the advantage would be just so people forget about the whole thing. They could have a guilty conscience or they could be worried about their image.
Same as if it is just some random local weirdo takIng en down. Maybe they don't like to be reminded a girl went missing, and was probably abducted, from their back yard? Maybe they think that it makes the area look bad?
There's a whole slew of reasons someone might go through the effort of taking down the posters an theres different people who might have different reasons.
My whole point is this, the vast vast majority of fliers that have been put up have been taken down within a fairly short period of time. That is sketchy. Like wowzer said that her friends from Woodstock said to her: "they can't see someone taking down a missing person poster", or something to that effect. I agree, why would an average citizen who is perfectly innocent and not connected to this case go through the effort of taking down fliers that have been put up? Who would take down a missing person poster and why?
Why is it that posters of a lost dog or cat don't get taken down but a missing persons poster does?
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Might coincide with the additional damage to the Saturn?

This place is a madhouse..I rest my case.Over and out.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Wowzer-.
How could that possibly sound like more than two months to you? Did you not read any of those posts that your referring to & quoting?? Every one I said they were up during the writer of 08-09 and estimated 1-2 mos they were up. In my post today I thought about it and estimated that they were probably up for closer to one month than two. But that's still right in that 1-2 month range that I've said in ever post so in reality I didn't change anything. Are you sure your not playing stupid and creating confusion where there really isn't any?
I didn't change the timing at all, I've said 1-2 mos in every post, saying it was probably closer to a month isn't exactly changing anything. I would say they were up at least a month, probably like 5-6 weeks.

Yep that's what I'm doing.Playing stupid and creating confusion.
Go to it Jenkins. Keep your eyes on the posters and see what's becoming of them. That should keep you busy for awhile.
And if you get tired of that you can look up when winter and spring begins.I'm pretty sure there's more than a month in between.
But who knows, it might be one month or two months or five weeks or maybe even six week. A mystery for sure but I have faith that you will solve it.
What I can't figure out though is why you were keeping such a close watch on all those posters that you claim you saw on 112 in order to know there were about 50 of them, that a couple may have been blown off and the rest all disappeared seemingly overnight. And why wait till the posters were mentioned here recently to come forward with all this poster information that you have. Yep another mystery in the makings.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help. I've talked to three people that work/worked in Lincoln/N.Woodstock and traveled from Woodsville area each day.
Except for one that thought they saw a poster back then by 112/116 the other two don't even remember seeing any. All three said it was hard to believe that anyone would deliberately take down a poster of a missing person.
To be honest I travel these roads often and I've never seen "lots" of posters on poles or trees. If my memory is correct I saw two, one on BHR and one on 112. As I stated earlier these two were most definitely taken down by Mother Nature.
JMHO but I think putting signs on poles and trees is a waste of time. How many times do people traveling at 40-50 mph stop their vehicle and get out to read a poster tacked to a pole? If I wanted to put up posters that would be noticed I'd put them at the start of hiking trails, grocery stores, post offices,sporting goods stores etc. And if I really wanted to put one up on a roadway I'd put it at a stop sign or stop light where people can stop and read.

thank you for asking others. Posters were put up when Maura first disappeared. I did not become involved in the search until March of 04. I do recall seeing posters in stores and at the tree and on a pole in the easterly direction on 112. When searching and talking with people I would give them a poster and ask them to pass the info along.Mauras disappearance was a tragic and devestating event to our family. After reading your posting I have alot of regrets as to where posters should have been put up. But when a loved one is missing you dont always think straight.

JWB wrote:

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What? Are you kidding? I never asked you for posters? My very first post about this subject I said that I would put up posters and asked if Wowzer wnd Jenkins wanted to help distribute them, and I asked you in the very same post if you could supply posters. You got all bent out of shape and said that you spent thousands of dollars already.
You misinterpreted my post so I explained it many times after ( The money where your mouth comment) Remember ? That was not ment as a swipe at all but merely it is a phrase intended to mean "talk is cheap lets do something." If it were a swipe then I wouldn't have included myself into the equation. I tried to clarify it to you.

JWB "sorry- But when The family shows no Interest then why should I take the initiative? Why should I pay for the posters? It is not my family that is missing. I said I was willing to help but I will not produce the posters out of my pocket if mauras family is not even interested". I have thanked JWB many times as well as others for there help on behalf of Maura.Can anyone show me a posting I made where I have asked others to pay out of there pocket?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>thank you for asking others. Posters were put up when Maura first disappeared. I did not become involved in the search until March of 04. I do recall seeing posters in stores and at the tree and on a pole in the easterly direction on 112. When searching and talking with people I would give them a poster and ask them to pass the info along.Mauras disappearance was a tragic and devestating event to our family. After reading your posting I have alot of regrets as to where posters should have been put up. But when a loved one is missing you dont always think straight.

Agree...I cannot imagine the feeling of panic that was felt by you and family. Hard to think straight.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What strategic value do you think there would be to remove posters of someone who went missing five years ago?

Maura disappeared on Feb. 4, 2004. She has been gone 8 years, 8 months, and 5 days.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>JWB "sorry- But when The family shows no Interest then why should I take the initiative? Why should I pay for the posters? It is not my family that is missing. I said I was willing to help but I will not produce the posters out of my pocket if mauras family is not even interested". I have thanked JWB many times as well as others for there help on behalf of Maura.Can anyone show me a posting I made where I have asked others to pay out of there pocket?

I have never said that you asked anyone to pay for posters out of pocket. Wowzer told me to just do it and I responded with I am not going to pay to have posters made out of my own pocket.

I think the point that I originally was trying to make out of this whole mess is that I was suggesting that another round of getting the word out in a big way might be worth doing. I understand that costs might be a factor.I am sure family is exhausted by the whole thing also but it might be worth another shot.

Is there a fund to donate to for this purpose? A fund to help keep posters or ads running from time to time? Renner talked about donating portions of his book sales and that might be a good use of the monies.

Mauras 10th anniversary is not to far down the road and maybe an organized media blitz along with posters just might help. Just a thought.

With that being said, I am no longer interested in helping distribute posters after having to jump through hoops and having to clarify over and over that I was offering help.It was clearly not wanted and that's ok.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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What I can't figure out though is why you were keeping such a close watch on all those posters that you claim you saw on 112 in order to know there were about 50 of them, that a couple may have been blown off and the rest all disappeared seemingly overnight. And why wait till the posters were mentioned here recently to come forward with all this poster information that you have. Yep another mystery in the makings.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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What I can't figure out though is why you were keeping such a close watch on all those posters that you claim you saw on 112 in order to know there were about 50 of them, that a couple may have been blown off and the rest all disappeared seemingly overnight. And why wait till the posters were mentioned here recently to come forward with all this poster information that you have. Yep another mystery in the makings.

Who was keeping a close watch on these posters? What the hell are you talking about? Your are such an ingenuine poster, your a smarter than the average bear, you certainly not an idiot. You just have to know what your writing is bullshit, that's what gets me so bad about your style wowzer, a few others around here.

If I was keeping a close eye on those posters maybe we would know who was taking em down. You know I wasn't 'keeping a close eye' on them as well as I do. You don't have to be keeping a close eye on these posters to see em when you drive past them two to four times a week. & I love how you say I 'claim' to see, as if maybe I'm making it up. Your such a bullshit artist.

I drove past them 2-4 times a week, they were there and then they were gone, plain and simple. Those are an example of posters that were taken down by somebody as wind and rain will not take down that many posters down at once.

& I didn't count the posters, 50 Is an estimate and I said that from the beginning. How many telephone poles do you think there are for like the first 5 miles of 112 east of the WB curve? 100?
Well they were on pretty much every other pole. Some spots on every pole. I think 50 is a good estimate. No possible way there was less than like 35, no way. There was a lot of these.

Wowzer: I don't understand something here. You actually think its important that the fliers got taken down? You must think this is a pretty damn big deal if you feel like I should've brought it to the attention of the forum sooner. Honestly I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I remember when it saw they were taken down feeling disgusted that someone would do that. I did not think it was a perp but rather some local who thinks it makes the area look bad having missing posters for some young girl from mass up all over the place. The n Haverhill area is worried about being viewed like backwoods, deliverance-type people. That's a fact. Maybe not everyone, but that is a concern of that whole area. It is more rural and backwoods than other parts of NH.

There's no big ski areas in that immediate area, it's not known for great hiking trails like a lot of NH is, it's just not a popular tourist part of the state. it's jus much less travelled than many other parts of NH. The town, the cops in particular, don't want to be known as rednecks, and if some young girl got abducted from their town they might think they'd look like deliverance type rednecks. Even thought it wouldn't be true at all, anybody would be way safer in woodsville than down in mass or CT, Springfield ma is like the 13th most dangerous city in the us per capita, maybe even the 11th.

I went to college up there, in Plymouth. Do you realize how many times I've heard people tell girls to not go drive the back roads alone at night because 'your gonna get yourself killed'; is the phrase i've heard countless times. You've probably all heard this phrase said to somebody at one time or another who was gonna go drive a shity car all by herself at night through the middle of nowhere. It's ridiculous yes, but people said that shit all the time up there. It's funny cuz nobody ever said that when a girl was driving to Boston, even though it's way more likely she would get killed in Boston than on the back roads of NH. It's not a legitimate fear but it's public perception, that's the way it is. The public blow illegitimate fears way out of proportion all the time. NH LE, and state officials must be afraid of the PR nightmare of there being evidence a young girl from mass got abducted and they can't find her killer. Any time your thinking of the state's response to this case you must consider the fact that NH has a tourist based economy. Tourism is immensely important to the state, we live off MA & CT people coming up and spending $.
When I saw that those fliers we're taken down I didn't think it was a big deal like you apparently do wowzer. What I thought was it was just some local worried about the town looking bad, remind you of anyone? that's what I thought about, disgust that somebody is more concerned about their state's image than finding an innocent young girl who was likely murdered. Nope, don't try to bring attention to it so that 1 tip finally comes in, nope, don't do the right thing, hall nah; Instead let's take down her missing posters, not say a word to the press and hope to go everybody just forgets about this case.
The hardest cases of all to solve are stranger on stranger crimes, it's sometimes impossible. Thats how the valley killer got away with it, that's why many of these other cases from around the n country still aren't solved; it's really hard. The longer and longer this case goes on without being solved its only looking more and more likely that this is what happened. If it was someone in her family or friends I'm sure they could've figured it out by now, that's why most murder cases get solved. Because 90-95% of the time the victim knows the perp. Its that other 5-10% of the time when they are strangers that aren't solved nearly as much.

Mauras has been missing since Feb. 9,2004. She will be missing 9 years as of Feb.9,2013.Family does not want or need any donations from Renner.

Wow this is getting interesting. Not that it wasnt before but people have been taking down her missing persons posters?

Wow that is totally strange. What kind of people run around taking down missing persons posters?

There is something weird about this whole message board.

There's a completely different tone or vibe than all of the other message boards I have read regarding Maura Murray. I can't quite put my finger on it.

I get a strong feeling of darkness, almost evil coming from some of the writings on this board.
Most people who post here are good people with good intentions but there is a small group of people who I get a really bad vibe from, a possibly evil vibe.

Has anyone stopped and thought that maybe Maura's killer is writing on the board? It is possible? It is possible no question.
Someone pointed out that almost all of these people who are trying to convince people she just got drunk and lost in the woods all have hidden their locations. Why is that? What are they afraid of?
Could some of these different handles really be the same person? If their location was viewable would they be writing from the same town?
I get the same strong evil vibe from a few of these people, their writing is overflowing with hate.
Maybe they are just bitter and mean but it feels like there could be more to it than that.
I cant really pin it down but there is just this strange dark vibe on the board that I have never experienced on any other message board about any other topic and even other boards about this topic.

This vibe has come on in the last year or two really. Could the killer think the staties have their thumbs so far up their asses that they are never going to solve this thing? Could he think it's in his best interest to try to make the public think that she just got drunk and got lost in the woods somewhere.
In the last year these people just blatantly agregiously and even beligerantly try to get others to think shes lost in the woods and have shown a willingness to lie, spread disinfo and use any means neccesary to try to make people think she just got lost in the woods.
I have just been getting this strong feeling of evil when reading some of whats been written, it is scary
There is something about this message board that is off. There is some really ugly vibes evident in the writings of some of these folks.

Several of the people on this board should be ashamed of themselves.

Wow wrote:

There is something weird about this whole message board.
There's a completely different tone or vibe than all of the other message boards I have read regarding Maura Murray. I can't quite put my finger on it.
I get a strong feeling of darkness, almost evil coming from some of the writings on this board.
Most people who post here are good people with good intentions but there is a small group of people who I get a really bad vibe from, a possibly evil vibe.
Has anyone stopped and thought that maybe Maura's killer is writing on the board? It is possible? It is possible no question.
Someone pointed out that almost all of these people who are trying to convince people she just got drunk and lost in the woods all have hidden their locations. Why is that? What are they afraid of?
Could some of these different handles really be the same person? If their location was viewable would they be writing from the same town?
I get the same strong evil vibe from a few of these people, their writing is overflowing with hate.
Maybe they are just bitter and mean but it feels like there could be more to it than that.
I cant really pin it down but there is just this strange dark vibe on the board that I have never experienced on any other message board about any other topic and even other boards about this topic.
This vibe has come on in the last year or two really. Could the killer think the staties have their thumbs so far up their asses that they are never going to solve this thing? Could he think it's in his best interest to try to make the public think that she just got drunk and got lost in the woods somewhere.
In the last year these people just blatantly agregiously and even beligerantly try to get others to think shes lost in the woods and have shown a willingness to lie, spread disinfo and use any means neccesary to try to make people think she just got lost in the woods.
I have just been getting this strong feeling of evil when reading some of whats been written, it is scary
There is something about this message board that is off. There is some really ugly vibes evident in the writings of some of these folks.
Several of the people on this board should be ashamed of themselves.

"Could some of these different handles really be the same person?"

You mean the handle "Wow" that you are now using, Jenkins?

Did you know that some of your recent posts under your "official" Topix name show your location as Springfield, MA? I immediately recognized your "fingerprints" in this post - not hard, as I've wasted much of my time in the last several months reading your posts. You have some idiosyncracies in your posts that you don't know are there, but are obvious to me - and no, I shall not tell you what they are, but they are unmistakable and prove these last two posts are written by you.

This is truly pathetic. Sure, I shall believe everything you say from now on, Jenkins, because you are so honest here.

A link to show your location: http://www.topix.net/forum/city/bethlehem-nh/...

Wow,

I hate to say it but I wasn't even a full sentence into your post before I realized it was Jenkins! This is exactly what I mean about escalating and getting more bizarre. Seriously Bob, all I can say is....Wow...!

This whole rant you have been on about the posters is more proof of how you are slipping again. Seriously Bob, it's been almost nine years for Gods sake! No disrespect to Maura or her family, but, People tend to move on. You yourself have argued that, outside of topix this case has been forgotten.
A friend of mines son lost his puppy a few months ago and they printed color posters with a pic and address and plastered our town with them. The puppy is still missing and all the posters are gone. Must be some kind of sick conspiracy. What kind of freaks would take down puppy posters after only a few months? I need you to come out here and set up a command post so we can get all of these conspirators rounded up and sent to hell or jail or wherever you think such truly evil people belong! P.s. I haven't seen any Hoffa posters in years, so, could you please get on that as well?
And here's a little side note; I personally believe Maura was abducted as well, however, my belief is based mostly on gut instinct and I can't prove it, so, I'm not going to argue my point against people that have followed this case since the beginning. I don't discount the possibility that Maura ran off into the woods and perished. The odds are certainly there that she may have. I have an opinion, but my ears are open to any possible realistic outcome.