Maura Murray

What does our old pal OR have to say about the various directions/mapquests to different places?

Hasn't anyone been to a party, even a small gathering of friends, whatever, and you were the last person to pull in the driveway and someone wanted to go to the store for cigarettes or ginger ale or whatever and so you threw them the keys to your car and said to take it instead of moving 2 or 3 or 4 cars around?

Or you were out with some friends playing pool and one of your friends who didn't have his car that night and he borrowed your car to run up to Cumberland Farms or whatever?

Just because her car was there does not necessarily mean she was crazy glued to it. She might have been in the area, but not driving her car when it crashed at the WB curve.

And that's just one possibility.

OR says they may have come from his cousin PR.

Alden are you sure she wasn't crazy glued to her car &/or welded to it? I think your making an assumption here LOL

But really you do make a good point. And remember that there was at least 30 min of slack time in her trip that is unaccounted for. Is it possible she made it to her destination an left, or someone borrowed her car?

So then what happened to the person driving the car after the crash? They just left her car there and she never tried to get it back?

Not saying its impossible but I don't think I don't think OR would like this.:-)

I worked at a plant where a young guy was hit by a forklift and died. Sounds gruesome, right? True, he was contacted by one of the forks, but the contact did nothing except knock him off balance. The guy hit his head on the floor and died. No evidence of contact on the forklift. Not even any direct injury from the forklift itself.

Something similar could have happened to Vasi. It's not like the Saturn had to clipping along at 50mph on Triangle St. It may have been going 20mph and rapidly decelerating. Vasi could simply have rolled off the hood and hit his head on the pavement. His travel across the hood would not necessarily have left a bunch of evidence beyond the rippled hood.

amy researches wrote:

So then what happened to the person driving the car after the crash? They just left her car there and she never tried to get it back?

Possibly you've answered your own question.

But like I said, it's just one possibility that should be considered. If it doesn't fit, toss it.

If you were the driver of the Saturn at the WB curve and you knew Maura was never going to claim her car, you might want to leave the area quickly yourself. Yes? No?

I guess my question is why would she not want to claim her car. Unless you think she was already dead at that point.

amy researches wrote:

I guess my question is why would she not want to claim her car. Unless you think she was already dead at that point.

Might she have let someone borrow it for a couple of hours?

Or longer? Or not at all? Or maybe she want to Hamp and that's as far as she got? Lots of possibilities, but she probably believed, rightly or wrongly, that she was going to drink with at least one other person.

Remember... Vasi was in the unit, possibly dying. Cops were asking questions. The Saturn's hood had ripples consistent with having hit someone. If you're a party-girl with party-booze, I'd guess you were going to a party.

Alden Howes Olson wrote:

Or longer? Or not at all? Or maybe she want to Hamp and that's as far as she got? Lots of possibilities, but she probably believed, rightly or wrongly, that she was going to drink with at least one other person.
Remember... Vasi was in the unit, possibly dying. Cops were asking questions. The Saturn's hood had ripples consistent with having hit someone. If you're a party-girl with party-booze, I'd guess you were going to a party.

The Vasi thing makes sense. And it also makes sense to me that she was going to meet someone, maybe someone who would have a reason never to come forward about her never showing up.(Maybe a married man?) Or maybe she was getting away for the week with someone who hit Vasi with her car, and he killed her. If her car hit Vasi.
I agree, there are still just as many possibilities as to what ultimately happened to her even if it's proven that her Saturn hit Vasi.

amy researches wrote:

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Sure, but she would want it back eventually right? When Ms X who borrowed the car returns to the party and Maura's car is gone, towed off, I would think she would want to go get it back. Maybe not that night if she was drinking, but the next day. Wouldn't you?

Okay, let's suppose Maura would eventually want her car back. What does that mean?

Alden Howes Olson wrote:

<quoted text>Okay, let's suppose Maura would eventually want her car back. What does that mean?

It means I think Maura would have contacted the police to find out what happened to her car after it was towed.

Alden- your forklift example is a very good point.

Often times when a car hits a pedestrian there isn't very much damage to the car; hair, blood and flesh is not very common to be found, it's usually nothing like when a car hits a deer or a moose, which can be rather gruesome. Sometimes it is like that, but that is pretty rare.

My friend hit a pedestrian when we were in high school. There was major sun glare so he couldn't see the woman who was crossing when the signal told her not to, she thought she could beat the light or that my friend would see her, but with the glare he didn't see her at all until he was a few feet away from her. That accident is the only damage I've seen to a car that looks very similar to the damage on her hood above the headlight. His hood was dented very similar to hers; a sharp dent in one place that had absolutely no damage to the paint, no scratches or chips etc. If it was a bumper that caused the damage, or a tree branch you would expect to see some sort of scratches on the paint, there are no scratches in that dent, no damage to the paint that would be consistent with hitting something hard. I'm not saying the Saturn hit vasi but I can tell you the dent is consistent with what I've seen for damage after a car hit a pedestrian. It's really hard to say what caused that damage but it is interesting that whatever it was didn't even scratch the paint. I've never seen anything hard that caused a dent like that not even leave a scratch. How does that work? How could something metal or wood not leave some sort of scratch on the pain?

Guys, I am really feeling melon collie with the holidays and all. Carry on guys and have fun. I am calling off my posse. Shack I am sorry for all the things I have said in the past. Jenkins, Sneakers/ Tennis shoes who cares right. Sorry Jenkins.

They should have searched East

Bill

Alden Howes Olson wrote:

<quoted text>Okay, let's suppose Maura would eventually want her car back. What does that mean?

Maybe she got in a fight with the person that crashed her car and ended up dead.

I smell Roses

WTH stand in wrote:

I smell Roses

That's why phantom smells, or phantosmia, should be taken seriously.

I agree that Saturn bumpers will bounce back from some pretty big hits, but this is different.

If you look at the damage below the bumper it is clearly consistent with hitting a snowbank, the damage comes from below the vehicle.

Then the bumper is basically undamaged, in the original NCN photos.

Then the damage above the bumper is completely 100% different. Look at the hood in that pic, it is actually crumpled downward over the headlight. That was caused by something higher than her vehicle. A snowbank can cause upwards damage below the bumper and then downwards damage above, that just makes no sense at all.

Something else is that from the damage we can tell that there's no way in hell a tree caused this damage, no way, it's impossible. The dent above the light is not only pushed downwards but it's also a sharp dent, it was creased in by something that was sticking out, not by a hard vertical object. Also look at how deep that dent is, it's gotta be an easy 6-8" in from the headlight. The bumper sticks out probably about 4" from the headlight. There is no possible way that the bumper could be pushed in almost a foot by a tree and bounce back. It should be shattered or at least have a big crack in it. Also there is no vertical like that would commonly be associated with hitting a tree. The damage below the bumper is caused by a large, dull object, like a snowbank. The dent above is caused by a smaller object. These two dents are just not consistent with happening in the same accident.