Maura Murray

elphalba wrote:

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I assume most of us know what "lying" means. I think she was implying that if you know something and don't go to the CCU or whatever it is as good as lying. This board has become very technical lately. People better be careful of every word you post or, god forbid, face the dire consequences of being called out on topix for improper definitions.

You really need to go over her posts, since the beginning. I don't know what her "intent" was. I only know what she writes. If you want us to guess about everything she writes, to make us guess about what her intent is. Then do so, it's fine with me. Personally, when I read something I normally assume that the poster has enough intelligence to actually be able to get their own point across. But hey, that's just me. And for someone to not be able to put together a very short post and not be able to pull it off without looking like a nitwit, says volumes about that poster. And, again, I'll point out it's not like this is the first mistake, or MISINFORMATION that she is guilty of. And when referring to my posts, I have said since the beginning to assume I am full of shit. I suggest you don't believe a word of anything I post. Research it, check it out. See if it passes the smell test. Many have, and it seems to useful information I post.

I am still debating if it is worth responding to the other turd in her post, about "angry people". Would you like to clarify that part of her post also?

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am still debating if it is worth responding to the other turd in her post, about "angry people". Would you like to clarify that part of her post also?
Bill

Well, if it helps, I would be very confident in saying that you would be included as part of the perceived by her "angry people" group. I am equally confident in saying that you are neither surprised or particularly hurt by that.:)

elphalba wrote:

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Well, if it helps, I would be very confident in saying that you would be included as part of the perceived by her "angry people" group. I am equally confident in saying that you are neither surprised or particularly hurt by that.:)

WHAT! Me? I can't understand who or why she would think anyone here is angry? It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not angry. There are times when I am confused, I have passion about not letting stupid people run rip-shod all over a forum that has been used on and off for almost nine years. How could anyone think I care enough about this to be angry? It is astonishing to me. But as you have pointed out, maybe instead of angry she means, incredulous, or dumbfounded or gobsmacked? Her use of the English language can be considered to be tenuous at best, certainly at times. And I will admit I have a low threshold for stupid, but that doesn't make me angry.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You really need to go over her posts, since the beginning. I don't know what her "intent" was. I only know what she writes. If you want us to guess about everything she writes, to make us guess about what her intent is. Then do so, it's fine with me. Personally, when I read something I normally assume that the poster has enough intelligence to actually be able to get their own point across. But hey, that's just me. And for someone to not be able to put together a very short post and not be able to pull it off without looking like a nitwit, says volumes about that poster. And, again, I'll point out it's not like this is the first mistake, or MISINFORMATION that she is guilty of. And when referring to my posts, I have said since the beginning to assume I am full of shit. I suggest you don't believe a word of anything I post. Research it, check it out. See if it passes the smell test. Many have, and it seems to useful information I post.
I am still debating if it is worth responding to the other turd in her post, about "angry people". Would you like to clarify that part of her post also?
Bill

She always drops a stinkbomb that is accusatory in tone, and then runs back into hiding...and awaits the posse of support to ride in. Thanks for doing all the work to refute the crappola, Bill.

Shack wrote:

The last Postings have been about criminal/thievery
regarding the disappearance of Maura. I couldn't add anything to these discussions. However, I can't help thinking abut the wording on the Maura Murray Missing site at the top that Somebody Knows.
I, personally...imo..believe that if someone does not share any information with ie Cold Case Unit is a liar. I, personally..imo...detest liars.
There appears to be many angry Posters here...if only it was directed to finding out what happened to Maura.

I think your post should work both ways. If you want people to help then family should be as open as they can with everyone.
That "somebody who knows" might not really know, but family "knows" more than what they are telling.

Clear up some of these rumors about mm possible hitting someone and fleeing college. Tell people the reason why she left.

If there was foul play and someone was going to come forward they should know the real truth before they turn their life upside down with coming forward with any information.

findmaura wrote:

I also believe SBD saw somebody do something that night.Someone he knew.Someone who scared or threatened him.Hence his changeing story.

findmaura,
SBD said that he saw a young woman that night at the accident scene. So whether or not the young woman WAS Maura, no one knows. Could it have been a female friend? Yes. Could it have been Maura? Yes. Maybe why so much alcohol in the Saturn. Maybe Maura and a couple of friends decided to get away for a few days and used 2 vehicles if the friends knew Maura would not be returning. Maybe they discussed the trip at the party... You know...a last minute thing. This story that Maura had decided to quit track because she wanted to focus more on studies doesn't seem to fly. She loved running...was involved in this in high school and WP. Her grades were not an issue, so why simply quit track? Does not make sense. Events over those last few days before Maura's disappearance may have been interpreted incorrectly. Possibly some of them never occurred at all. Everything is always so very competitive, you know.

The Love Shack.....Love Shack Baby...just sayin'.

I didn't think that she just quit track altogether, I was under the impression that she had suffered a rather bad hamstring injury & was unable to run track that year. She was on a full ride for track & field so I would think that if she hadn't gone missin she woulda started running track again but I really don't know. Whether she was plannin on starting track again is unclear but I believe it was her injury that made her not participate that year.
Something else is that she apparently had only recently been officially accepted into the nursin program which is an extremely time consuming major. I could see her not feeling like she could run track, go to classes, go to clinicals and work two jobs, that is a lot of things to do at once

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I think your post should work both ways. If you want people to help then family should be as open as they can with everyone.
That "somebody who knows" might not really know, but family "knows" more than what they are telling.
Clear up some of these rumors about mm possible hitting someone and fleeing college. Tell people the reason why she left.
If there was foul play and someone was going to come forward they should know the real truth before they turn their life upside down with coming forward with any information.

Absolutely,but don't set the bar too high. It's always been far easier to concoct a story and shoot knives at the targets. It is unproven that Maura was a victim of violence; she might have been, but fingers point both ways.

The whole Shack shimmies....

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

I didn't think that she just quit track altogether, I was under the impression that she had suffered a rather bad hamstring injury & was unable to run track that year. She was on a full ride for track & field so I would think that if she hadn't gone missin she woulda started running track again but I really don't know. Whether she was plannin on starting track again is unclear but I believe it was her injury that made her not participate that year.
Something else is that she apparently had only recently been officially accepted into the nursin program which is an extremely time consuming major. I could see her not feeling like she could run track, go to classes, go to clinicals and work two jobs, that is a lot of things to do at once

So glad you're insideher head,AND have medical info about a stranger you've never met. Nice, embellished story. I feel feverish...Sinus? or Topix? maybe both.

Ridiculous wrote:

The whole Shack shimmies....

good one.

I have never considered Maura Murray's life before she disappeared on rte 112. I believe that the investigators would cover that. I think it is none of our, the general public's, business.

I just wonder as to what happened to her.

Shack wrote:

I have never considered Maura Murray's life before she disappeared on rte 112. I believe that the investigators would cover that. I think it is none of our, the general public's, business.
I just wonder as to what happened to her.

Well if her past had something to do with what happened to her which is a very likely scenario you would need to know her past.

Also when the family of the missing make comments about the efforts of LE and you get the public's interest it seems rather odd to tell them they can only look in certain directions.

Shack wrote:

I have never considered Maura Murray's life before she disappeared on rte 112. I believe that the investigators would cover that. I think it is none of our, the general public's, business.
I just wonder as to what happened to her.

Hmm, that's odd. When you blurted out that it was menstrual blood found in the a-frame I thought that was none of our business.I believe the investigaters would have covered that too.

shack wrote:***I have never considered Maura Murray's life before she disappeared on rte 112.***
Why is that shack? I think whatever upset Maura so badly that she had to be led back to her room might be a piece of the puzzle. It might explain why she left like she did and possibly where she was heading. Most important it might show the frame of mind she was in when she left which might explain what may have happened to her.
PS. Did it ever occur to you that maybe we too wonder what happened to her?

I said...."MY" thoughts, feelings, opinion is that
Maura Murray's life prior to an approximate time of 7PM 2/9/2004 on rte 112 is not the business of the general public. After that approximate time it would be the business of the local law and investigators to do what they are trained to do.
I mean nothing else.

Shack wrote:

I have never considered Maura Murray's life before she disappeared on rte 112. I believe that the investigators would cover that. I think it is none of our, the general public's, business.
I just wonder as to what happened to her.

Her prior life must be considered but it looks to me like whatever the reason she went missing happened AFTER her crash on 112. Every PI who ever worked this case have stated this. And I'm not talking about 'detective columbo', I'm talking about frank Kelly(weeper), Healy and the NHLI. These guys were veteran investigators for the NHSP, extremely experienced cops who are now PI's. They've stated that in all the time they've put into this case there's been nothing that indicates this case has gone further than a few miles from the WB curve, all info they've gotten points to that area. These people are seasoned investigators, they're not just talkin out their asses like so many of the trolls around here do, they've obviously got some damn good reasons to make such an assertion.
Most murders get solved for one simple reason, the vast majority (90%+) of murders the victim knows the perp. If it was someone Maura knew who killed her this case would've been solved a Long time ago, well I would think. LE would look extremely bad if it turns out some new bf of hers or someone who hit vasi whilst driving her car or someone who's cc she used killed her, like really bad. How hard is that to figure out?? Do these posters on here really think none of these questions have been asked by LE a long time ago? Think about this, the NHSP had the FBI do the background investigation down in mass, which at that point was arguably the more important side of the case. The freekin FBI!! Think how stupid they'd look if it was someone she knew that killed her. They'd look like morons! All of these questions have been asked before and it looks like they led to dead ends.
My Q is do these posters really believe this or do they just enjoy distracting the convo from the real issue at hand while also making Maura look bad in the process?? If I didn't know better I'd swear some of these posters are in the HPD, or were in the HPD or something like that. It just seems like some of them have a vested interest in deflecting the convo & making her look bad; Like she was a stupid drunk promiscuous thief. Making her look like that makes many people just not care as much. I'd bet any money that you would be extremely hard pressed to find one person who actually knew her that Would describe her like that, yet people on here say it as if its fact. Hmmm People are calling her a thief but I'd bet anything there's not one person who knew her that wouldn't have her over their house. Sounds like she was invited to a lot of parties, she obviously wasn't branded a thief by any stretch of the imagination. people don't invite thieves to their dorm rooms for parties, they don't invite thieves to their home for a party on NYE either. She obviously used someone else's cc which isn't right, but to just flat out characterize her as a thief ain't right either.
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The whole dynamic of this forum is very interesting, it's also very interesting that out of all the topics on the Internet this topic has somethe worst trolls ever in history, and a bunch of people worried about their identity like they're super heroes protecting their secret identity. Freeking weird!!!

Something that I think is interesting to do and everyone should do if they have a little time is to go read what was said in the court case and then fill in the blanks with weeper's(frank Kelly) posts. It paints a pretty clear picture of what probably happened to Maura and what LE probably believes happened to her as well.
When you read what is said in court you have to remember that they had to speak in generalities and could say nothing specific because if they did they would've been revealing the very info they were fighting to keep secret. It's not like they could say any details. Also remember that they couldn't just say these general things and make it so, they had to show the judge that these things they're saying apply specifically to this case. That was the whole point of the 'in-camera' review, to show the judge that these things apply to this case. To show that they are conducting a legitimate criminal investigation, that there are suspects and they're tryin to build a real criminal prosecution that could be damaged if the files are opened to the family.

There's some people on here that seem to think that the AAG was an idiot and knew nothin about this case but I don't believe that to be so. This lady became an AAG for the state, she's no idiot and she definitely knows a hell of a lot more about this case than it sounds like when you listen to that. The thing about it is that she had to speak in generalities as to not reveal any of the info they were fighting to protect. I'm sure that was probably rather difficult to stand up and talk about a case without talkin about the case, without revealing any details. Some people, orky comes to mind, seem to think that what was said in open court is what kept the files secret and that is simply not the case. What was said in the judge's chambers is what actually kept the files sealed and we don't know what was said. We have a good idea bc of what was said in open court, but we don't know exactly. They couldn't just say it, they had to show the judge in camera that what they were saying applies specifically to this case. they couldn't go in there and say that it looks like she killed herself but they want the files sealed just in case. The judge reviewed the file and agreed, there is a real likelihood of a crimInal prosecution.

Go and read what was said in open court and then fill in the blanks with weepers posts, they can be found on the forumer site, it definitely paints a picture I'll tell you that much. If you read that it sounds pretty obvious that they do believe she was murdered and that a local killed her. It sounds like they have a pretty damn good idea of what happened to her but without her body they're never going to be able to make a prosecution stick. That's what's scary about this whole thing; let's say she is buried under a concrete slab on this nut's property. If he won't give permission to search and he never does anything to give probable cause for a warrant this case might never be solved.
I don't see how anybody can think that LE believes she killed herself or got lost in the woods.
I can see why some people might believe that something that was going on in her life might be the cause but IMO that's just the reason she went up NH and it looks like it has nothing to do with what happened to her. Do you guys really think they NHSP & FBI are so bad that they couldn't figure out if someone in her life killed her? I think there's a damn good reason they hadn't looked into the call to the salamones, they knew if had nothing to do with what happened to her, there was no need, they're already pretty confident about what happened to her and just need the evidence to make the prosecution stick. You gotta remember they put 6000 hrs into this case and they didn't follow basic leads like her last phone calls. That is a direct indication that they knew looking into that call was just a waste of time bc they're busy building a prosecution and trying to find PC.

While what was happening In her life is obviously the reason for her trip up to nh it seems very unlikely at this point that it actually has anything to do with what happened to her in the end.
Do you people really think the NHSP and the FBI are such shitty investigators that they couldn't figure out what happened to her if someone she knew killed her?? Do you really think these questions weren't asked years ago?? If they weren't asked there must've been a damn good reason for it, just like I'm sure there was a damn good reason they never called the salamones, they knew it was a waste of time.
Just think about it logically for a second, if LE truly has no clue what happened to someone what's one of the first they would do?? Call the last numbers she called & talk to them. They didn't do that, there must've been a good reason not to & it certainly wasn't because they weren't investigating. They've put 6,000 hours into this case, biggest investigation in recent memory in Nh. They put in 6,000 hours and didn't follow many basic leads, like her last phone calls. IMO that is an obvious indication that they have a really good idea of what happened to her and they're working on building a murder prosecution and trying to find probable cause to search someone's property. What else could it mean? If they put in that much time and didn't follow some basic leads they must've known those basic leads were a waste of time.
6,000 hours is a massive amount of time, that's murder prosecution time. That's not we think she got lost in the woods time, that's not we think she killed herself time, that's we are building a murder prosecution against a suspect that we believe murdered this girl time.
You gotta remember these are murder police conducting this investigation, they're not going to waste their time, that massive amount of time, investigating a case that isn't really even a case at all. They're not going to waste that much time if they thought she was a suicide or lost in the woods, that ain't gonna happen. They had their asses covered after like 2,000 hrs, at that point nobody could say they didn't investigate, that's already a massive amount of time. If they believed she killed herself and were just trying to cover their ass, wouldn't they have called the last people she called?? Looking at this case as a whole objectively I don't see how anyone can honestly come to any other conclusion except that LE believes she was murdered, they believe they know who did it and are trying to build a prosecution against this person.

Jenky-sleuth writes -
."Most murders get solved for one simple reason, the vast majority (90%+) of murders the victim knows the perp. If it was someone Maura knew who killed her this case would've been solved a Long time ago, well I would think. LE would look extremely bad if it turns out some new bf of hers or someone who hit vasi whilst driving her car or someone who's cc she used killed her, like really bad. How hard is that to figure out??"

So, she uses someone's credit card and that person kills her. Solved.
Why couldn't I think of that?
And, look, he even puts in a percentage. Must have taken statistics.
"Freeking" genius!. Damn trolls keep spoiling his day..