Maura Murray

you have nothin Orko? Just as we figured

no proof right? Just tell Jwb to take Meds wow = you have been cornered dude- still no answer but just bash me. Very impressive Orko

SamIAm wrote:

I personally believe that when Orko typed Londonderry VT ping, he simply mis-typed. Meant Londonderry, NH and typed Londonderry, VT.
And for those who haven't yet figured it out, JWB is Jenky's brother.

nope sorry sam he is sellin VT- pay attention

are you sam or son of sam Moron? cause you can't rad nor pay atention

Guarenttee tomorrow that Orko still won;t have proof tp back up his Londonderry VT deal. Right Orko? Nothin yet?

yep I figure that you are a jounalist troll from Ill and samis som sicko dude that comes out when the sun goes down.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Granny, get away from grandpa's moonshine and sober up.
Come back on here in the morning. Re-read what I have posted and then take a few seconds to add 1 plus 1 plus 1 and then when you begin to comprehend what I have actually provided then come back on here and give JWB a verbal type-lashing for doubting me and demand that he/she apologize to me at once.
Now go watch the waltons. I think its a new episode this evening.

Wow impressive non answer Orko- Hello remember the question about Londonderry VT?

Orko is a Journalist and I know that for certain, A bad one at that. nite nite Orko

Take your meds and go to School tomorrow (wink) ya know whatI am sayin Orko Right?

I try to stay pretty nuetral. Mostly because I really don't know much about this case, but some times I can't help but Get a little pissed and state my opinion: Beagle, He's a dick for those videos and until he admits it and apologizes, in my eyes. he'll always be a dick. I like to give Bob hell because he rants and rants and rants, but, don't tell him, deep down, I kind of like him. JWB...Shut the hell up! I don't care if Orko is right or wrong, You are an Asshole and your senseless ranting at Orko proves it.
You are just another mental case in need of treatment. I don't need to see your medical records and I won't even attempt an armchair diagnosis here. Your moods flip flop back and forth so bad lately it's hard to watch. I had some empathy for you because of the emotional turmoil you say you have been through lately, but, just reading the last three pages on this forum not only changed that, it made me realize, you sir, are nuts!

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I don't know how to explain this to you. I really don't.
This affadavit is the sole reason that maribeth conway was able to report (years later) that maura's last phone activity took place at 4:37 p.m.
James Renner made the mistake (by listening to that kook Chris King) of coming across this affadavit recently and thinking it was a new clue in the maura murray missing saga.
The police requested the londonderry phone tower information as they were tracing maura's movements. They already had her cell phone records. They weren't trying to I'D a caller to maura, they were trying to figure out why a tower would ping near londonderry at 4:37 p.m. on the monday maura went missing.
They concluded (evidenced by Maribeth conway and others reporting) that the reason that tower pinged was because maura turned on her phone briefly in that area and checked her phone for messages).
I am not guessing here. I have provided the quote from maribeth conway. the londonderry ping scandal was never a scandal.
It was a basic procedure done early on by police to get information. Once they got the information they needed, they relayed it on to people such as maribeth in the media and she then reported on it.
There is a londonderry vt and a londonderry NH, and i contend that the police made a mistake on their inital request.
But they cleared it up ONCE AGAIN EVIDENCED by what maribeth reported years after the affadavit.

I follow, and I think you've made an important distinction between MM's probable physical location and cell phone usage. So many ideas have been launched from faulty information and then repeated for years. You're thinking out of the box. Someone previously mentioned Londonderry VT...it might have been you.

I'll add, however, that folks in new england don't usually mix up our states when talking about towns with the same names.

Bob and clan,

You rant and rant about WTH having an agenda and leading everyone away from any possibility that Maura was abducted. That may be his opinion and he is entitled to it. What you are to damn blind to see, and I will help you with this is that you are literally one hundred times more forceful in pushing your opinion. How am I going to help you see this you say? Print all of your posts for the last month. Now print all of Bill's posts. After you get over your astonishment at the sheer length and volume of posts you have made in comparison, look at the content of both of your posts ( Bob, this little exersize will take around six hours just to do the reading )! If you actually take the time to do this, I think you will see where I'm coming from.
I don't agree with every thing Bill says, but, I think he is very important to this forum. Like him or not, he is one of the few people who actually keeps things real here! I've been slapped around by him and so have numerous other people throwing around opinions as fact.
I got up this morning and read three pages of posts last night and I kept saying to myself, where the hell is Bill. Look at this crap, the damned train has derailed again and Bill isn't doing anything about it. Yeah, he is a little cranky and gruff sometimes and sometimes, like in your case Bob, he starts swinging right from the get go, but, I'm telling you, this thing falls apart like a kindergarten class when the teacher steps out for a pee break when he is not here.
Bill, breaks over, come on back and put some people in the corner for five minutes!

Habs wrote:

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Not trying to stir up anything. Was just wondering where everyone stood. Don't really understand the book thing but so be it.

Habs,
You're doing fine. Many wondered about that phone call out of the blue. A college student with two part-time jobs and a car that had seen its better days........phoning to inquire about a condo. Where would she get the $$$ for a condo? Where DID Maura get the phone number? Classifieds? Had she phoned the resort and someone there gave her the phone number for the owners of the condo? Seems the condo was not available at the time?...the condo was not available if I recall...so why would it have been advertised in the classifieds? No one knows. That phone number was only checked out months later by Mrs. R. Questions, comments are good. Evidentally, those who believe all avenues have been beaten to death have overlooked something or the case would have been resolved by now.

mcsmom wrote:

I've always had a hard time thinking LE didn't check her last phone calls. Just doesn't make sense. Maybe with the Landry affidavit they found that Salamones called her cell back in the late afternoon on the 9th... Wakefield to Londonderry could have been the ping, suggesting that the role of the Salamone call didn't matter to what they already knew at that point. JMO.

mcsmom,
Not thoroughly checking phone records makes absolutely no sense...especially when there is minimal IF ANY other information available. Even the ATM (????) photo....it seems that for a while there was ambivalence as to whether the young woman in the photo was Maura... Possibly it was not Maura. Who would have pin number? Possibly someone close to her, someone who knew her very well. Have family members ever identified the young woman who appeared in the ATM photo? If I were a family member I'd take a look at Maura's credit card statements...go back to the time shortly before she moved to Amherst from WP. Phone records as well. There may have been another reason for her moving back to MA, other than the reasons everyone has assumed. It's not helpful to assume, conclude anything.

hannah_b wrote:

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IIRC the woman whose body was found near the A frame was a victim of domestic violence, not a serial killer roaming the streets abducting women left and right.

hannah_b,
"Left and right?" Sounds like you don't believe in serial killers. A lot of people do not. You're not alone in your belief. Maybe there is no reason for Cold Case units to exist?...or maybe serial killers exist all over the place except Grafton County? My belief is that a serial killer does exist and that he is living in Grafton County. He brought Pamela Webb all the way from the eastern border of NH/ME....on his way home dropped her off in the White Mountains. He's been doing this for a while (plucking women from beside the highway). Severing the body that way is reflective of the fact he's been practicing his art far more than a few years. No one stopped to help Pam. No one would stop to help the others either.

The two left down south in that park. He knew them from Craftbury Common. One of them reminded him of the "love of his life," the one with whom he's been in fierce but friendly competition for years? Things come so easy for her....he sees it as unfair. He's searching for some satisfaction by repeatedly doing away with youthful versions of her. That little apartment over the cafe....the campus....he'd been following for a while. He did not kill because they were women or for their identity. To him they were just 2 more versions of her, his beloved. The one in Montgomery...is the spitting image of his beloved in her youth. The face, the body.... could have been mistaken for identical twins. When he saw her the first time in the restaurant,he must have been blown away... Wonder if he paid for that meal by credit card?

Now now Aftermath, you know there are absolutely no murderers, serial killers or accomplices in Grafton County, um, except for Gary Westover and his deathbed confession.

And the person or persons who picked up Maura on February 9, 2004 and killed her…

Aftermath wrote:

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Habs,
You're doing fine. Many wondered about that phone call out of the blue. A college student with two part-time jobs and a car that had seen its better days........phoning to inquire about a condo. Where would she get the $$$ for a condo? Where DID Maura get the phone number? Classifieds? Had she phoned the resort and someone there gave her the phone number for the owners of the condo? Seems the condo was not available at the time?...the condo was not available if I recall...so why would it have been advertised in the classifieds? No one knows. That phone number was only checked out months later by Mrs. R. Questions, comments are good. Evidentally, those who believe all avenues have been beaten to death have overlooked something or the case would have been resolved by now.

The Salamones owned a condo that was part of an association from which MM's family has rented before. Chances are when she went looking for a place the association gave her the Salomones number.

I have not read anywhere Sharon R makes mention of just how long the call was to the Salomones. So for all we know - the call could have been a 15 second message asking for availabilty and the Salmones never called her back, or the call could have been a 5 minute call where MM poured out her heart and told her where she was going and why. I think if the call was long in duration Ms. Salmone would have remembered it, and Sharon R would have told the ID show how long the call was. Instead Sharon keeps it vaque - "No one checked up on this 15 second call" doesn't sound like a big deal, "This is a 10 minute call LE never looked into" would probably be a huge mistake. We don't hear the length of the call because that would probably explain why the call was never followed up.

I would also like to state that the PI's and Sharon herself probably looked at the phone bills shortly after she went missing so if it was a long random call I would think they would have called sooner. Why have PI's if they weren't giuven the PC or the phone records, what were they suppossed to use?

This is all my personal opinion but I don't believe the call means anything to the actual disappearance of MM.

Frostman wrote:

Now now Aftermath, you know there are absolutely no murderers, serial killers or accomplices in Grafton County, um, except for Gary Westover and his deathbed confession.
And the person or persons who picked up Maura on February 9, 2004 and killed her…

Hey welcome back.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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The Salamones owned a condo that was part of an association from which MM's family has rented before. Chances are when she went looking for a place the association gave her the Salomones number. <respectfully snipped by moi> I would also like to state that the PI's and Sharon herself probably looked at the phone bills shortly after she went missing so if it was a long random call I would think they would have called sooner. Why have PI's if they weren't giuven the PC or the phone records, what were they suppossed to use?
This is all my personal opinion but I don't believe the call means anything to the actual disappearance of MM.

Agree 100% Lighthouse.(what are the chances of that?:0 … well ’tis the season!)

Frostman wrote:

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Agree 100% Lighthouse.(what are the chances of that?:0 … well ’tis the season!)

I'm a little disappointed you said "see you in September" it took you a little longer. Glad to see your back. I hope you and your family enjoy the holiday season.

Wow, I just skimmed thru the last half dozen pages, what a mess.

jwb, you alone posted several full pages yourself, what is wrong with you? Are you sane?

And ole jerky jenkins, still pounding away with pages long rambling posts that say nothing. I see you are back being a 'federal agent'. very interesting, how is that going anyway? The federal agent thing? hmmmmm

Crazy times

Oh, I did find the infamous "londonderry ping' resurface. Even more interesting is the 2 letters that follow londonderry. nh/vt

lol very interesting indeed