Maura Murray

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>you appear to be now contradicting yourself with previous postings you have made.Did Landry tell you his request was an error or was this just an assumption on your part?

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Orko Kringer wrote:

For the eyes of JWB and Hannah Montana:
From Todd Landry's affadavit:
Notes to follow:
5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.
6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

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Aftermath wrote:

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hannah_b,
"Left and right?" Sounds like you don't believe in serial killers. A lot of people do not. You're not alone in your belief. Maybe there is no reason for Cold Case units to exist?...or maybe serial killers exist all over the place except Grafton County? My belief is that a serial killer does exist and that he is living in Grafton County. He brought Pamela Webb all the way from the eastern border of NH/ME....on his way home dropped her off in the White Mountains. He's been doing this for a while (plucking women from beside the highway). Severing the body that way is reflective of the fact he's been practicing his art far more than a few years. No one stopped to help Pam. No one would stop to help the others either.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Before I report you the CDC I need a couple questions answered:
1. Are you saying "clearly" more than twice a day in situations that are anything but clear?
2. Are you going to work or school and offering solutions to problems by offering proof as "if you really think about it"
3. Are you making errors based on false assumptions that you made based on using the strategy mentioned in 1 and 2?
You may have stage four Jenkoma. Not to worry you can still live and carry on in life, but you may never be able to live in the same reality that everyone else does.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

Note 1: Right before Landry talks about getting cell tower info from sprint through the courts he points out that police already have maura's cell phone records.
In other words police weren't looking for names at this point. any incoming call to maura's cell would already be in their posession from the cell phone records.
Note 2:Sprint notfied Landry specifically about ping activity from maura's phone and stated that it came from the londonderry Tower. Landry is a cop in New Hampshire, there is a Londonderry New Hampshire ... see where the confusion could of came in on which londonderry we are talking about.
Note 3: As the great Mitt Romney once said and I paraphrase
"Cell towers are not people my friends!!!!!!!!!!
The request for the londonberry ping info was not about a person trying to call maura (pings track people's movement they don't call people and talk to them).
Lt. Landry, likely (back in late 2004 or early 2005) didn't know much about pings and how they work and what he is requesting on this affadavit doesn't even make sense.
But no worries this was all cleared up and that is why we NOW know maura checked her own phone messages (thanks to the ping info from the londonderry VERMONT tower).
Note D:
Here is how pings work.
If I am driving in my car down the interstate and I have my phone off, but momentarily turn it on to see if I missed a call, my cell phone would start pinging the second I turn it on.
Once I have checked messages and then turned phone back off, The phone quits pinging and no more tracing can be done by law enforcement.
that is why law enforcement hasn't been able to create a complete accurate timeline of maura's travles because for 99 percent of her trip up north, she had her phone off. It was the brief seconds she turned it on (that a ping was created) and this is what lt. Landry ultimately discovered as a result of this affadavit.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Landry making an error doesn´t fit with the way the affidavit is fotmaulated or with the fact they already had her phone records. The location of Maura checking vm at 4.37 pm was already known to LE. I believe LE might have been afraid to let Orky have information, and tried to pull his leg. To me it signals the L-derry, NH ping (which was not made by MM phone), is highly significant to the case.

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OKAY wrote:

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Dawn worked very hard to establish and communicate an understanding about the Londonderry ping. Her bottom line was that no actual call was attempted to or received by Maura. She presented the scenario to an engineer at Verizon for consult, as well.
Your further clarification makes a great deal of sense, especially in terms of how a voicemail call to check messages would leave its footprint.
I don't necessarily believe you've proven her location to be in the vicinity of Londonderry VT, but pergaps I am missing a piece of this. It is interesting, however.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I cannot see an LE officer that has been on the force for 22 years at the time of the affidavit was made and sign it and then decide it was an error.

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hannah_b wrote:

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There is one error in the affidavit: there cannot have been an incoming call (even if it went to vm) as it would have shown up in her phone records. If this error was made consciously to mislead ("fake affidavit") I don´t know, but it is possible.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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There is one way that an attempted call wouldn't show up on her phone records. If her phone was on, she didn't answer it and the person hung up before the vmail picked up, then that phone call would not be on her records. It would be on the callers records, not hers.
It says this call was made late afternoon, which is when she was leaving campus and her phone was probably still on. She didn't pick up, the person calling didn't wait for vmail.
Maybe this person was supposed to call her other cell phone and dialed this on by accident? That was the first thing I thought of. This could explain why they didn't wait for the vmail and she didn't answer, the person was supposed to call her other phone. This is obviously based on the assumption that she had a second phone, which is definitely possible and I think likely. IMO, she had another cell and the crash she had in Hadley proves it. It would make sense that she had another phone, what 21 yr old girl wants her bf to know every single call she makes? I find it interesting that Sharon was paying the bill but the bill actually got sent directly to billy in OK. Controlling much?

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Det Dirtbag wrote:

Is there a cell tower in Londonderry, Vermont? If so, where is it and what is its FCC registration number? When was it constructed. I found a cell tower near Londonderry, Vermont, but it was built in Oct. 2008.
Can anyone provide more information on an actual location of a Londonderry Vermont cell tower? Thanks.

Det Dirtbag wrote:

Is there a cell tower in Londonderry, Vermont? If so, where is it and what is its FCC registration number? When was it constructed. I found a cell tower near Londonderry, Vermont, but it was built in Oct. 2008.
Can anyone provide more information on an actual location of a Londonderry Vermont cell tower? Thanks.