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Det Dirtbag wrote: <quoted text>She was traveling in tandem with a triggerfisher? Dirtbag, Clearly always some mystery around the phone calls. If we go by the two cell phones theory, she may have lent a phone to someone shortly before she disappeared. That traveling in tandem in two separate vehicles would possibly fit w/the lending theory. The timeline of activities by Maura involving mostly e-mails for Monday is interesting. Most of what occurs on Monday involves e-mail messages...even the one to her bf at 1 p.m. telling him that she hasn't felt like talking to anyone, but would call him later in the day. Even the night before (Sunday 11:26 p.m.) phone conversation w/her father......it was agreed that the two would discuss the auto insurance forms Monday evening at 8:00. In other words we could look at this as she wanted everything clear for most of the day on Monday. Something was taking place morning, mid-day, early afternoon, etc....where she wanted no disturbances. When you out-of-the-blue E-MAIL your bf telling him you don't feel like talking, that might be interpreted as I do not want to chat with you as I have someone here in dorm room and cannot talk openly. Leave me alone, call me later. Monday she is e-mailing most people. Most of her cell calls are to people who won't recognize her voice. That 1 minute call to bf at 2:18 p.m......was not long enough for conversation (2 people)....possibly just listening to a recording and leaving a vm.
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Gouverneur, NY
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findmaura wrote: "So what are you suggesting??Tow truck?LE? A weirdo?" findmaura, My personal belief is that there are many weirdos around. Many of them we read about and many are well known in communities. They meander around day and night. It would seem the probability of a known or unknown sex offender or weirdo popping by in that period of a short few minutes would be very low. Perfect timing??? Somewhat doubtful. Let's rule out weirdo for a moment. Tow truck? Engine sound much different than a car engine, lights whirling? Headlights? Certainly would be heard by locals...would have caused them to peak out of their windows? Yes. Let's rule out the tow truck theory for a moment? Yes. Someone with military and/or LE background? At least this hypothesis is more reasonable if we couple it with the mystery surrounding the expedient disappearance of all of the young women who've disappeared WITHOUT A TRACE. The mystery man or woman has as much knowledge or possibly more than LE. For LE to have so many cases that are still unsolved.......our mystery man or woman possesses either special knowledge and/or information that the average Jane or Joe does not.
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Since: Feb 12
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Jenkins wrote: Pretty little girl like she was, she was seriously exposed out there that night in those conditions. It's scary.
Note the time of post 1:30AM you have been warned about crap like this and yet you keep it up. Do you know when you post late night and say things like "wicked hot ass girl, tight jeans, wicked cute" and now "pretty little girl" Its worth mentioning cause thats weird. Please take a moment and read what you are writing.
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Gouverneur, NY
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The mystery person in NH area appears to prefer brunette mesomorphs? The NH (and VT) Cruiser is seemingly not a sexual serial killer as was the Freeway Killer who preferred attractive blondes: pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/kidnapp...
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OKAY
Wellesley, MA
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i realize the reason i have always been here is my primal fear of losing a loved one under unmanageable and / or preventable circumstances. had MM filed her "flight plan" with someone / anyone after excusing herself from her academics, she might have had a better chance at a happy ending. but kids are kids.
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OKAY wrote: i realize the reason i have always been here is my primal fear of losing a loved one under unmanageable and / or preventable circumstances.
had MM filed her "flight plan" with someone / anyone after excusing herself from her academics, she might have had a better chance at a happy ending. but kids are kids. I think there were many rules that were broken that created this disappearance.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Orko Kringer wrote: <quoted text>
Jenky, there is a cell tower for every 12 miles in the USA.
Cell towers can be registered through FCC but they also can be unregsitered and the unregistered ones you won't find them doing an internet search. Not true. Antennasearch has lots of unregistered towers and antennas (and shows which ones are towers).
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hannah_b
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Emmett Dove wrote: All this stuff people are suggesting about "pinging"..
Here are some well known facts that came from my boss..
Pinging cell phones has been around for a very long time.. It started in the early 90's (earlier for the government & military) with rich families as an option for when someone had been kidnapped as a way to find said people.. As cell phones became popular where the "average joe" could afford them, they put the GPS function for all 911 calls to be able locate where crimes were being committed ... By 1999 almost every carrier had this function ...
Sprint, which changed their corporate name to Embarq in the very early 00's ,had said service.. Her phone, the Samsung ,has all the features to "narrow" her last known locations.. Instilled in the late 90's, LE has a direct line to every provider to issue to them any activity in any REAL crisis situation concerning the last times a phone was used, where it was near, where it pinged, etc;
This info will never be released to the Public in an active investigation! No matter how much you think you know, this info would be close to vest in an active investigation. Also, could be part of the "one party intercept" people talk about.. These records are not there for FOIA, Journalist, Family, etc; ONLY LE would have these special requested records.. Releasing them would compromise their investigation .. Releasing a fake one would only benefit if they were trying to get someone to get "sloppy" & talk.. Even TracPhones (disposable) had the GPS back then. Sprint had it & a decent version of the software at that...
She got said phone in 2003, Windows XP was out years before that! This was Feb. 2004, the technology needed was available then... It's way more advanced now, but was active back then.. Until their investigation is over, the general public will NOT know if her cell phone was ever turned back on..
Believe me or not, it's the truth.. No one would compromise said information & is not available via FOIA! Anyone claiming to know the full story behind her cell phone needs to really think about what they are trying to state as facts here..
If I had more time, I would have typed it better, but I'm sure most of you can understand the way I talk/type/try to get my point across by now.. I'm working & doing as much as I can, so I can get home for Christmas.. THanks Emmet for this information. Just one thing, ping info is very often released to the public in an active investigation.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>
Well duh there not all 'towers' go to any city, the term tower is a generic term that means cell phone broadcaster/receiver that can be placed on any tall object. Anywhere really, but the taller, the better the spread. they're on too of buildings, billboards, all over the place but you won't see many actual towers in Boston or NYC. The phone cos try to hide them pretty well.
There are really cell towers that aren't registered with the FCC? How does that work? And it's a legal tower? That seems strange to me but I'll take your word for it.
As for the cell tower every twelve miles thing, that's on average. VT and NH don't have towers ever twelve miles. Have you actually driven up 91n before? You must've once but the cell service in the highway sucks, because there's no towers in VT, exageration there but there definitely isn't one every twelve miles I'll tell you that much. Vt has the worst cell coverage of anywhere I've ever been in my life.
This is because cell towers are a hot button issue in VT, everyone wants full cell coverage but nobody wants a tower in their town. there's a lot of environmentalists in VT and they keep extremely good tabs on all cell towers in the state. They know when and where they're being built and the try to stop most of them from being built. Before a tower can be put up there are town meetings, it has to be approved, a cell co can't just buy a piece of land and throw one up. Down in CT theres a fight going on in the town of Roxbury over putting up a tower so even down there people don't want em near their homes.
So the environmentalists don't go by what's registered with the FCC, they go by the towers that are built. I've seen nothing that indicates a tower was ever in Londonderry vt. At this point I'm almost certain that there is NOT a tower in that town.
Can you provide any evidence indicating there is a cell tower in Londonderry VT?
Idk where your getting this VT thing from and why you're holdin into it so strong. It's clear they were were talking about NH, it had nothing to do with her final call to check her messages and they were tryin to find the identity if somebody else. You're normally good at analyzing stuff orky, I like your passion for digging things up, but as far as I can tell you're waaayyyy off base on this one.
You're gonna have to provide much more proof that what your saying is at all possible because it's not making any sense at all, respectfully. There is a tower on Old School Street in Londonderry, VERMONT. It has been there since 2002, so it was around at the time of MM disappearance. Info available on Antennasearch.com .
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hannah_b
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Emmett Dove wrote: This info will never be released to the Public in an active investigation! No matter how much you think you know, this info would be close to vest in an active investigation. Also, could be part of the "one party intercept" people talk about... Ping info is often released to the public in active cases. Very often. Collecting ping data is not referred to as a "one party intercept", but bugging a cell phone could very well be. The gps in Maura´s phone was said to not be functioning. Remote cell phone turn-on is possible, but only if the battery is attached and has not gone dead.
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Gouverneur, NY
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Did Maura have anyone in her circle of friends, acquaintances who had better than average knowledge of communication devices? Someone whose knowledge might have been sophisticated enough to defeat security features of a cell phone and gain access to stored information? Seems to be a lot of questions about her phone statement and cell phones, including how many she had.
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“Marched For Life 2013”
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Mondello,Sicilia,Italy
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
Ping info is often released to the public in active cases. Very often. Collecting ping data is not referred to as a "one party intercept", but bugging a cell phone could very well be. The gps in Maura´s phone was said to not be functioning. Remote cell phone turn-on is possible, but only if the battery is attached and has not gone dead. Yes, very much of the info is released.. But I'm talking after the fact in any case that fears maybe foul play .. & you got my meaning on the intercept thing.. I'm pretty sure your smart enough to understand what I was stating :)
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Fairview Heights, IL
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Emmett Dove wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, very much of the info is released.. But I'm talking after the fact in any case that fears maybe foul play .. & you got my meaning on the intercept thing.. I'm pretty sure your smart enough to understand what I was stating :) Although my opinion, outside of message boards and the desires of family, this case has never been looked at or treated like foul play has occurred other than following up on wacky tips
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
Ping info is often released to the public in active cases. Very often. Collecting ping data is not referred to as a "one party intercept", but bugging a cell phone could very well be. The gps in Maura´s phone was said to not be functioning. Remote cell phone turn-on is possible, but only if the battery is attached and has not gone dead. Hannah - I think I can help you. A cellphone is in constant communication with towers without the user knowing it. In most cases since the towers overlap in coverage the cellphone is in constant contact with towers. That is why when your driving on the highway a call can continue without being dropped. The call is transfered from tower to tower. When your cellphone isn't in use, but on, this still happens in order to receive calls from the best and strongest tower signal. That is why in some shows LE is able to show the viewers where the suspect was heading by the cellphone signals bouncing off the towers. This is how LE can verify Alibi's if a suspect says they were out of town, but there cell phone was being used and hitting local towers...etc There is also a method called triangulation that is used by numerous towers and the angles of the cellphone signals hiting each tower to try and get an exact location sometimes the killer would go to move a body and LE can monitor the movements. In order for this to happen LE has to get this data from the cellphone company and it isn't stored forever. I believe this is called a "live intercept" but could be called other things. So I don't think LE was bugging any phones I think they were trying to see if they could track MM by using her phone. I'm willing to think LE figured MM turned on her cellphone to call for help and if she jumped into a car and taken a ride her cellphone would hit off some tower at some point. I would think she would have her cellphone on waiting for enough bars to call for help. I'm not an expert all of this is just my opinion.
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“Marched For Life 2013”
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Mondello,Sicilia,Italy
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Orko Kringer wrote: <quoted text>
Although my opinion,
outside of message boards and the desires of family, this case has never been looked at or treated like foul play has occurred other than following up on wacky tips I was just talking in general.. Im not that informed on this case, just what ive read.. I cant make heads or tails of it tbh..
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text>
Hannah - I think I can help you. A cellphone is in constant communication with towers without the user knowing it. In most cases since the towers overlap in coverage the cellphone is in constant contact with towers. That is why when your driving on the highway a call can continue without being dropped. The call is transfered from tower to tower.
When your cellphone isn't in use, but on, this still happens in order to receive calls from the best and strongest tower signal. That is why in some shows LE is able to show the viewers where the suspect was heading by the cellphone signals bouncing off the towers. This is how LE can verify Alibi's if a suspect says they were out of town, but there cell phone was being used and hitting local towers...etc
There is also a method called triangulation that is used by numerous towers and the angles of the cellphone signals hiting each tower to try and get an exact location sometimes the killer would go to move a body and LE can monitor the movements.
In order for this to happen LE has to get this data from the cellphone company and it isn't stored forever. I believe this is called a "live intercept" but could be called other things. So I don't think LE was bugging any phones I think they were trying to see if they could track MM by using her phone.
I'm willing to think LE figured MM turned on her cellphone to call for help and if she jumped into a car and taken a ride her cellphone would hit off some tower at some point. I would think she would have her cellphone on waiting for enough bars to call for help.
I'm not an expert all of this is just my opinion. You think this could be the "one party intercept"?
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Jenkins
Brooklyn, NY
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Emmett Dove wrote: All this stuff people are suggesting about "pinging"..
Here are some well known facts that came from my boss..
, etc; ONLY LE would have these special requested records.. Releasing them would compromise their investigation .. Releasing a fake one would only benefit if they were trying to get someone to get "sloppy" & talk.. Even TracPhones (disposable) had the GPS back then. Sprint had it & a decent version of the software at that...
She got said phone in 2003, Windows XP was out years before that! This was Feb. 2004, the technology needed was available then... It's way more advanced now, but was active back then.. Until their investigation is over, the general public will NOT know if her cell phone was ever turned back on..
Believe me or not, it's the truth.. No one would compromise said information & is not available via FOIA! Anyone claiming to know the full story behind her cell phone needs to really think about what they are trying to state as facts here..
If I had more time, I would have typed it better, but I'm sure most of you can understand the way I talk/type/try to get my point across by now.. I'm working & doing as much as I can, so I can get home for Christmas.. Hey Emmett- great post buddy!! Sooo true. The only part I disagree with is the one party intercept part, but that's a very minor detail. A one party intercept is a phone call or personal conversation that's being recorded where only one party gave consent for the recording, I don't see how that would apply in any way to the pings. But that doesn't really matter, everything else you said was right on point. They will not release info about her last ping the the pubic, not gonna happen. You're sooo right about that. They know about her last call to check her vmail because it was on her phone records, not because of any ping information, that's just ridiculous and I can't see why orky is pushing that so hard; it's just obviously blatantly wrong. They knew her last call to check her vmail from day one. The Londonderry ping document has absolutely nothing to do with her last call, it is regarding the identity of someone who attempted to call her. It appears the document is real, and that it was accidentally not kept sealed so the public were able to obtain access to it. Good chance that it was nothing, like someone calling a wrong number or something stupid like that. I feel like if it was important to the investigation it would've never been found. But in the other hand maybe LE let it get found intentionally, maybe to make a potential suspect, say a local, think they're totally lookIn in the wrong direction. Or maybe to indicate to the public that they believe someone from mass is responsible. Until the case is resolved we may never know and probably won't, but the one thing that is for sure is that it has absolutely nothing to do with her last phone call, which was on her phone records and known by LE since day one. Also we know that it was an attempt to find the identity of someone who called her from the southern NH area, certainly nothing to do with her last call to check her vmail. It seems really weird to me that orky is pushing that so hard, it's so obviously wrong. What's up with that?
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Jenkins
Brooklyn, NY
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> There is a tower on Old School Street in Londonderry, VERMONT. It has been there since 2002, so it was around at the time of MM disappearance. Info available on Antennasearch.com . Good lookin Hannah, thanks for finding that. Funny cuz I checked a couple sites and couldn't find that tower listed, obviously none of these sites know EVERY tower out there. Still clear they were talking about NH, but there is a tower in Londonderry VT, just to confuse the matter a little bit more lol
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“Marched For Life 2013”
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Mondello,Sicilia,Italy
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Thanks.. Cant believe you actually agree with me.. Heres some info that can add to peoples theories.. Ok.. After 9/11 im sure lots of people noticing the changes here in America.. In my line of work, I have to map out "hot routes" etc; Well, anytime you call 411/911/611/*87/#81 etc; You are giving up your consent.. Freedom isnt free & I cant stress that enough.. But anytime you call any sort of help line from a cell phone, your consent is waived.. Start reading the fine print or google it.. I.e - Someone calls 411 asking for a number.. Your consent is gone.. We now know who/what/when/how your looking for! These are only saved for so long but it is saved.. Just dialing your cell providers customer support gives consent.. The message "this call may be recorded" means what it clearly states.. For 99.9% of us, this means nothing, but that little tiny 0.01% has broken cases wide open before.. You dont have to believe a word I type.. Google, Bing, your contract, the fine print, its all there in english & spanish for you to read..
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JWB
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Simply Caustic wrote: I've been gone for a coupla weeks.
In catching up, I notice JWB tentatively held out - and then snatched back - the proverbial olive branch.(Again.)
And, JWB - I have always liked your posts. I was pleased to see you, back to writing like a polite, inquisitive, interested citizen.
I spoke too soon, because within a page or two - BAM! Back to bonkers. Will you please stop with this persecution complex baloney? It's Topix. Suck it up, man. No one is out to get you. Stop nagging at Orko - at least allow him/her a few days to reply to your badgering. Not everyone has mania to assist them in staying up all night, posting on Topix.
Sigh.
Can't we all just....fight about Maura Murray, and our views on her disappearance? This sideshow is bogus. Point well Taken. I appologise to Orko
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