Maura Murray

Advocator wrote:

Lots of avid, manic reekery on here tonight. Native tribal people whom I know believe in a solid purging prior to engaging in a spiritual event. Empty out all the old, the bad, the "earthen" ... prepare the body, mind and spirit to receive and embrace the Light, the Revelation, the Healing.
Everyone on this Topix thread ought to now be in really good shape to have a truly deeply Merry Christmas.:)

Honestly I agree with you wholeheartedly!! Statistics show that the Holiday Season has a high rate of stress on people..:-)

Emmet,
My son started with Boxing at 4 just with me, then started Judo at six. Muay thai around eight. Bjj fairly recently at the school, but he has alot of grappling experience from me and of course his Judo base. The kid is a really powerful and fast striker!
I am trying to get him to wrestle at school, which was always my weakness as I didn't start 'til my thirties, but, he does a lot of other sports. Judo is awesome for them when they are young. Most people don't realize that Bjj comes from the mat work in judo. No striking there, but great for take downs and grappling! Guess I'd have to say his base is Judo, but, that's what I'm saying; These kids start the whole deal really young now. We have a youths MMA class that starts at age eight! They are basically taught wrestling instead of Bjj, because of the danger involved in submissions and learn all the other facetts of the game. My son learned submissions from me and to be honest, I got into some trouble from my Bjj Master for it, but he doesn't use it in Judo comp. My younest isn't as interested, but, he's a humongous kid, and has a respectable boxing game. Hit's like a Sasquach!

My old Bjj instructer was the first Black belt teaching in NH. He was from the Brazillian Top Team, Aldo Batista, and he was amazing to work with. He trained with Helio Gracie when he was young in Brazil. He rolled with Royce often. These days, you really need to have a good wrestling base to get anywhere. Wrestlers just seem to crossover really well to the striking game. As I said that has always been my weakness and I can't plug the holes quick enough for these young guns! I started boxing as a really young kid with Golden Gloves and then trained Kickboxing up here at Murphy's Gym in manchester. Little gym, but when I was a kid, it was the best game in town. Talking about age; My first Judo instructer was in his mid sixties with a bad back and he used to beat the crap out of me three days a week. Very old school and I'm kind of a loud mouth, so, as you can imagine, I didn't get mat burns I got scarred!

Advocator,

Agreed! I got sucked into the graveyard shift for the first and last time last night. I realized as I was yelling at my computer around one am., that I was losing my balance and needed to go to bed!
Another episode of " The Twilight Zone " and sadly, I took on a lead role...!
I think I need a few hours in the sweat lodge with some hot rocks,eucalyptus oil and a plunge into a cold stream to get my groove back!

Jeeeez......I wonder what happened to Maura Murray. That's what this forumis for. You people are all crazy.

ENUFF SAID....!

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JWB wrote:

What was so bad that Shack said? Please re post

One of the things she´s posted is the entire Haverhill area and all it´s residents should be sprayed with lysol. That´s shackism at it´s finest. Treat her like a lady? Ok if she behaves like one!

hannah_b wrote:

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One of the things she´s posted is the entire Haverhill area and all it´s residents should be sprayed with lysol. That´s shackism at it´s finest. Treat her like a lady? Ok if she behaves like one!

PRETTY MUCH TRUE......The area definitely needs some cleaning up.

Tang Zoi wrote:

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PRETTY MUCH TRUE......The area definitely needs some cleaning up.

That´s the true Christmas spirit!

I wonder where Maura Murray is? Doesn´t seem like too many people care.

Yikes, somebody over spike this threads Christmas party eggnog? JWB/findmaura go to your corner. ED/ridiculous go to yours. Agree to disagree and wish everyone well. As we all know here, life is too short.

If anyone cares, I recently googled "n.h. cold case unit status update" and I found the report from Dec 1, 2010 to be quite interesting. It's 20 some pages so I skimmed thru some of it but it did leave me with the impression that when they decided to investigate Mauras case over most of the 120 or so others, they were giving it a somewhat high probability of solvability. Add to that the fact that, as Bob says, the most man-hours spent on the case in state history. I imagine in some way, this thread and others dedicated to MMs disappearance may have helped also. As always, JMO.

i hope the regulars here will forgive me for interrupting the current topic of discussion, but coming back to maura's disappearance, among the many curiousities there are a couple that are just bothering me the more i think about them.

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disclaimer for what follows:

as an internet and online professional, i am among the first in line to be skeptical of what is written on the internet. i even extend my skepticism to reputable news sources, since many will butcher details and facts in order to be first to the break news. look no further than the sandy hook school shootings for evidence of how reputable sources mangled facts and information in their rush to be first with the story.

what follows are my thoughts, likely similar to others, based on information i've read from multiple places online. some info i've read may be bad, which could impact my thoughts on these items, so take what i may state as fact with a grain of salt if the info i'm basing this on is faulty.

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mr. renner — among others — has told us that mr. forcier should be dismissed from speculation as a poi. there may be a number of reasons for mr. renner's conclusion, but here's what bothers me. the night of 2/9/04, mr. forcier is the – at one time unnamed – construction worker who, a few months after the disappearance, remembered and promptly reported to police seeing someone matching maura's description rushing east away from the accident scene, about four or five miles from where maura's car was abandoned, as he was driving home from work.

here's what bothers me about this. it is believed that mr. forcier left work that night around 7 from a job that was located about 35 miles from maura's car, but he reported seeing her some time between 8 and 8:15. how does it take mr. forcier over an hour to go roughly 35 miles? it is possible he made a stop on the way, which could have added time to his commute, but i've never read anything to that effect.

then, with the active accident scene located down the street from his home on a normally dark and quiet road — with police and emergency vehicles on scene — and having just seen someone walking by themselves four or five miles away, mr. forcier isn't the least bit curious about the accident or curious enough to wander over and talk with any officers on scene about what was happening, or to mention to them he had just seen someone rushing the opposite way from the scene on the road four or five miles east? no where have i read any indication that mr. forcier returned to his home while officers were on scene, not that he couldn't have, but since the police were talking to mr. atwood, who lived across the street from mr. forcier, it's hard to think his returning home would've gone unnoticed.

so then, several months go by and only then does it dawn on mr. forcier that the night he reports to have seen someone rushing away from the scene of maura's accident is the same night as the accident that he had no knowledge of despite it occurring within roughly 100 yards of his own house at a time of the night in which he tells police he was heading home.

I know mr. renner says to dismiss mr. forcier as a suspect, but the scenario above regarding mr. forcier's account of that night just does not seem to be based in reality.

in a following post, i'll detail what bothers me about the rag in the tailpipe, the state of the saturn and mr. murray's statements about the rag and law enforcement.

so, here is what bothers me about the rag in the tailpipe, the saturn and mr. murray's statements about the rag and law enforcement.

in reading some early news articles about maura's disappearance, mr. murray was initially complimentary of the work that law enforcement was doing. it seems he quickly soured on their performance, however, and was quickly agitating for state law enforcement and the fbi to get involved. when asked about events prior to maura's disappearance, he was dismissive of those and was imploring law enforcement to consider everything about maura's disappearance suspect, anything that would allow them to declare her disappearance a result of foul play as soon as possible. being a father of two girls myself, I don't fault mr. murray for pushing law enforcement in this direction.

however, and this is the part that bothers me, while mr. murray wanted every detail about maura's disappearance to be considered suspect, when the matter of the rag in the tailpipe was made public, he was very quick to dismiss this unusual detail and provide a rationale for it. according to mr. murray, maura had a rag in her emergency kit in her trunk and that she likely put in the tailpipe herself, possibly to reduce the tailpipe exhaust from smoking too much. some auto specialists unrelated to the case have stated that stuffing a tag in a tailpipe can cause vehicles to malfunction or even cause damage a vehicle's engine.

it has been reported that Maura's Saturn had a full, or nearly full, tank of gas when it was found abandoned. this naturally leads to speculation that she filled up the car at a station not far from where the accident occurred. this, in turn, has lead to speculation that, perhaps, the rag was stuffed into the tailpipe while Maura was at a station fueling her car. that mr. Murray dismisses and explains away the rag in the tailpipe leads me to think that the individual who placed the rag in the tailpipe is someone who knew – or has led investigators to believe – there was a rag in the trunk of the car that could be accessed.

the question of access also makes me scratch my head. if the rag that was placed in the tailpipe is, for a fact, the rag that came from the emergency kit in maura's trunk, and if the rag was stuffed into the tailpipe sometime during the road trip up to NH – whether prior to leaving umass or at the gas station or after the accident – whoever placed it there would've had to have either used a key fob programmed to maura's car or the trunk release switch located on the floorboard at the front left corner of the driver's seat, next to the door jamb.

since mr. atwood and others only report seeing one person at the accident scene, a young girl, it would seem that only she would have known about and had access to the rag during her trip. it seems to stretch logic that an unknown assailant would know about the availability of a rag in the trunk for purposes of stuffing the tailpipe and then be able to access the trunk at any point during maura's drive without her knowing.

so, if only maura and mr. murray know about the rag in the emergency kit in the trunk, why is he so quick to explain it away? i know he has stated that he doesn't know why maura would put the rag in the tailpipe and then speculates she put it there to reduce the exhaust. but it seems odd that he wants to treat every aspect of her disappearance as foul play, yet quickly wants to dismiss this unusual piece of evidence in the disappearance of his daughter.

the last thing i want to say in regards to the above posts is that i am not speculating or pointing a finger at either mr. forcier or mr. murray as being involved with the disappearance of maura. i know there have been many problems caused in the past by strangers falsely accusing certain local individuals of being involved or responsible for her disappearance.

the main reason for posting my thoughts above is because, as i reflect on the various details of maura's disappearance, these two aspects of the case just seem very odd to me. i want to throw them out there for possible discussion or for some of the others who have been following this case longer to correct any information that is inaccurate or may have come from an older source that has since been corrected elsewhere..

one thing i feel compelled to add and clarify regarding the rag in the trunk emergency kit is that one of the neighbors who called 911 that night reported seeing a flurry of activity at the trunk of the saturn after mr. atwood had left the scene. i think this would make sense as to explain how the rag got into the tailpipe, that maura got it out from the trunk and shoved it into the tailpipe. if so, then it would be unlikely – practically a zero percent chance – that an unknown assailant placed the rag in the saturn's tailpipe unbeknownst to maura at any time during her drive up north that night.

of course, this would not preclude the rag from being stuffed into the tailpipe prior to her leaving umass, by someone else. this does open the door to someone else who knew about the rag and why it was in the trunk and who also had access to the vehicle as being responsible for placing it there, namely mr. murray. why he would possibly do so without saying anything to maura is well into the realm of unsubstantiated speculation, so i'll just stop there. but it would be reason enough for him to want to dismiss that piece of evidence very quickly if he did in fact place it in the tailpipe himself at some time during his weekend visiting maura.

The only reason that *I* can think of why Maura herself would have put the rag in the tailpipe, is that she knew she had to leave the vicinity of the Saturn (find better cellphone signal? catch ride with someone she knew? take a ride from someone else?), and she stuffed the rag into the tailpipe maybe thinking that would keep the car from being stolen. She could reasonably assume the car would get towed and that she could recover it and possessions she left in it at a later time (if that was what she intended to do). But if it was stolen, that wouldn't have been an option.

whatif wrote:

one thing i feel compelled to add and clarify regarding the rag in the trunk emergency kit is that one of the neighbors who called 911 that night reported seeing a flurry of activity at the trunk of the saturn after mr. atwood had left the scene. i think this would make sense as to explain how the rag got into the tailpipe, that maura got it out from the trunk and shoved it into the tailpipe. if so, then it would be unlikely – practically a zero percent chance – that an unknown assailant placed the rag in the saturn's tailpipe unbeknownst to maura at any time during her drive up north that night.
of course, this would not preclude the rag from being stuffed into the tailpipe prior to her leaving umass, by someone else. this does open the door to someone else who knew about the rag and why it was in the trunk and who also had access to the vehicle as being responsible for placing it there, namely mr. murray. why he would possibly do so without saying anything to maura is well into the realm of unsubstantiated speculation, so i'll just stop there. but it would be reason enough for him to want to dismiss that piece of evidence very quickly if he did in fact place it in the tailpipe himself at some time during his weekend visiting maura.

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Hey Beagle,

One might not think it, but my time on this forum has not been a complete waste of life. From spending time reading your writings here and other places on the Internetosphere, I was able to answer a fun quiz a few weeks ago posed by a friend. A photo was posted showing a cross section of a birch tree, with dark lines running through it, and the poster asked what viewers thought caused those lines. I was able to immediately answer that it was caused by a fungus and was called "spalting." I won ... nothing, but it doesn't matter, because I learned something new, and I learned it from you, so thanks.:)

Merry Christmas to all!

whatif wrote:

one thing i feel compelled to add and clarify regarding the rag in the trunk emergency kit is that one of the neighbors who called 911 that night reported seeing a flurry of activity at the trunk of the saturn after mr. atwood had left the scene. i think this would make sense as to explain how the rag got into the tailpipe, that maura got it out from the trunk and shoved it into the tailpipe. if so, then it would be unlikely – practically a zero percent chance – that an unknown assailant placed the rag in the saturn's tailpipe unbeknownst to maura at any time during her drive up north that night.
of course, this would not preclude the rag from being stuffed into the tailpipe prior to her leaving umass, by someone else. this does open the door to someone else who knew about the rag and why it was in the trunk and who also had access to the vehicle as being responsible for placing it there, namely mr. murray. why he would possibly do so without saying anything to maura is well into the realm of unsubstantiated speculation, so i'll just stop there. but it would be reason enough for him to want to dismiss that piece of evidence very quickly if he did in fact place it in the tailpipe himself at some time during his weekend visiting maura.

I know it's a matter of interpretation, but I tend to listen when you have someone that was center in the investigation of this particular case speaking fairly recently about it off the cuff (because he is now retired).

Lt. Scarinza -- "The rag in the tailpipe is its own mystery. "Fred said he had suggested putting the rag in the tailpipe. Was it an attempt to kill yourself? If so, that's not going to work. But why the hell else would you stick a rag in a tailpipe? It's an anomaly."

My interpretation of this quote is that the former commander of F Troop to this day leans toward maura (making a rushed and failed attempt at suicide with the rag). Before moving on down the road.

Notice the scenario he brings up as opposed to going down the road of maura may have put that in there to hide exhaust fumes or a stranger put it in there.

He is not guessing back in 2004 about what the rag is for. Years later and (has jenky would note, pouring over tons of evidence and spending hours on the case) he still brings up a possible suicide attempt to explain the rag.