Maura Murray

JWB,

At what point do you just stop and realize that you are having serious issues? I'm not kidding here, I am being very real. You are at a point that you truly need clinical intervention. From what you've stated in the recent past, you have suffered quite a few losses of personal relationships and you clearly are unable, at this point, to find resolution.
Sometimes life hits us with to many shots to quickly and we get taken down. Happens to the strongest people. There comes a certain point, when, a person is just unable to pick themselves up by their boot straps, so to speak, and, you are clearly at that point.
Yes, I have ridden you hard because the ridiculousness of your posts have been beyond annoying and often offensive. It's very hard to have compassion or any level of tolerance for someone who is an adult and refuses to see that they are losing their grip on reality, especially when they have been told by many people that they interact with daily here that they see the same thing.
I say this with the last bit of compassion I can muster up for you; There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking help. It takes a certain amount of strength to be able to say to yourself that this is to much for me I need guidance. It takes real honesty and courage to not only admit it, but to actually do something about it.
Should you choose to ignore this message and continue having your melt down on this very public forum, you will deserve the consequences.

Ridiculous wrote:

JWB,
At what point do you just stop and realize that you are having serious issues? I'm not kidding here, I am being very real. You are at a point that you truly need clinical intervention. From what you've stated in the recent past, you have suffered quite a few losses of personal relationships and you clearly are unable, at this point, to find resolution.
Sometimes life hits us with to many shots to quickly and we get taken down. Happens to the strongest people. There comes a certain point, when, a person is just unable to pick themselves up by their boot straps, so to speak, and, you are clearly at that point.
Yes, I have ridden you hard because the ridiculousness of your posts have been beyond annoying and often offensive. It's very hard to have compassion or any level of tolerance for someone who is an adult and refuses to see that they are losing their grip on reality, especially when they have been told by many people that they interact with daily here that they see the same thing.
I say this with the last bit of compassion I can muster up for you; There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking help. It takes a certain amount of strength to be able to say to yourself that this is to much for me I need guidance. It takes real honesty and courage to not only admit it, but to actually do something about it.
Should you choose to ignore this message and continue having your melt down on this very public forum, you will deserve the consequences.

As touching as it is that you have dedicated yourself to staging mental health interventions for JWB and Jenkins, wasn't it you who just a week ago was making veiled threats against JWB? Something about you extending a courteous invite to him to attend his own beating?

While I can't honestly say I agree with everything JWB says and does on this thread, I find your recent post of supposed compassion ending with "you will deserve the consequences" to be quite disturbing considering your recent veiled threats to him. JMHO.

Maybe we should all look in the mirror before throwing stones at another.

Amy,

Well,First I should state that I don't really believe that Jenkins is crazy. We occasionally take shots at each other and disagree a bit, but, I think even Bob will admit, we do enjoy having fun at each others expense and are even able to give each other credit for particularly witty comebacks.
JWB, indeed was cordially invited to attend his own ass whipping, let's face it, I would look pretty ridiculous trying to do it without him. Simple logistics my dear.
My "supposed compassion" disturbs you? That's unfortunate, I'm sorry you find the complexity of the human psyche such a scary thing to examine. I suggest you steer clear of this topic as you may examine yourself and find that even you are capable of having conflicting emotions. I wouldn't want you to become "disturbed" any more than my veiled threats and "supposed compassion" have already made you. I look in the mirror on a daily basis, and, although I can't say the image looking back is quite as attractive as I like to think it is, it isn't blurry. Well to be honest, it is a little blurry, but that's because my kids get toothpaste on it and don't clean it properly!

it's obvious there are a few who act out their personal issues on this thread. at this point, i separate their comments from their obvious issues, and have no personal interest in the lives of individuals i choose not to engage.
armchair psychoanalysis is cheap and freely offered by Ridiculous. i'll be the last to defend certain people, especially those that have taunted me.
live and let live.
or just settle in for the show.

Thank you Amy- Yea I went down this path because of the endless trashing that I had received from just trying to talk about the case. I use to offer allot of insight and angles only to be barraged by attacks and insults for it.Having a diff of opinion is one thing but to insult is another and is out of line.

Amy knows how much research effort we used to put in so we could share and talk about stuff.

There are long term posters here who only offering is to tear every theory or opinion apart and they are applauded for it.You will not hear any facts or input from their perspective. You will only hear rebutting. I simply got tired of it as you are getting tired of me now.

Amy had it right when she said everyone should look in the mirror and stop playing the so called part as one poster congratulated another for doing.

I suggest we all step back for a day or two and come back to this forum for the reasons it was set up for.most all of the posters that were here to talk about the case are no longer posting and that is a shame. I am just as much to blame and include myself.

I plan on taking a couple days off and see where things go. hopefully able to come back to a healthier and productive environment.

Ridiculous back off please. You have admitted yourself that you have nothing to offer to this case and you are correct. You need to look in the mirror and see your insults that you fling . you are not a solution to the problem. you are gas to the flame.

This is my last statement on this.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Ridiculous wrote:

Amy,
Well,First I should state that I don't really believe that Jenkins is crazy. We occasionally take shots at each other and disagree a bit, but, I think even Bob will admit, we do enjoy having fun at each others expense and are even able to give each other credit for particularly witty comebacks.
JWB, indeed was cordially invited to attend his own ass whipping, let's face it, I would look pretty ridiculous trying to do it without him. Simple logistics my dear.
My "supposed compassion" disturbs you? That's unfortunate, I'm sorry you find the complexity of the human psyche such a scary thing to examine. I suggest you steer clear of this topic as you may examine yourself and find that even you are capable of having conflicting emotions. I wouldn't want you to become "disturbed" any more than my veiled threats and "supposed compassion" have already made you. I look in the mirror on a daily basis, and, although I can't say the image looking back is quite as attractive as I like to think it is, it isn't blurry. Well to be honest, it is a little blurry, but that's because my kids get toothpaste on it and don't clean it properly!

My problem is not with conflicting emotions or the human psyche. My problem is with people who get their kicks out of toying with the mentally ill. If you are being genuinely compassionate, then I apologize. My take on your posting, because of your recent threats to beat JWB and the wording of your last sentence, is that you were being disingenuous with your pseudo-compassionate post and rather hoping to egg JWB on so that you might use whatever reaction he might have to extend another beating invite to him. If I am wrong, my sincere apologies.

JWB wrote:

Thank you Amy- Yea I went down this path because of the endless trashing that I had received from just trying to talk about the case. I use to offer allot of insight and angles only to be barraged by attacks and insults for it.Having a diff of opinion is one thing but to insult is another and is out of line.
Amy knows how much research effort we used to put in so we could share and talk about stuff.
There are long term posters here who only offering is to tear every theory or opinion apart and they are applauded for it.You will not hear any facts or input from their perspective. You will only hear rebutting. I simply got tired of it as you are getting tired of me now.
Amy had it right when she said everyone should look in the mirror and stop playing the so called part as one poster congratulated another for doing.
I suggest we all step back for a day or two and come back to this forum for the reasons it was set up for.most all of the posters that were here to talk about the case are no longer posting and that is a shame. I am just as much to blame and include myself.
I plan on taking a couple days off and see where things go. hopefully able to come back to a healthier and productive environment.

I agree, JWB. Hope you have a good weekend. I'm planning to spend a few days watching some holiday movies that I didn't have the chance to watch over the holidays. Maybe some new news will come out about Maura soon that we can all discuss. Until then, I don't have much to add to this conversation as all the theories have been talked about over and over. I can do without all the fighting here and need to be focusing on other things anyway. Happy new year. I hope it's a good one for you and your family.

amy researches wrote:

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As touching as it is that you have dedicated yourself to staging mental health interventions for JWB and Jenkins, wasn't it you who just a week ago was making veiled threats against JWB? Something about you extending a courteous invite to him to attend his own beating?
While I can't honestly say I agree with everything JWB says and does on this thread, I find your recent post of supposed compassion ending with "you will deserve the consequences" to be quite disturbing considering your recent veiled threats to him. JMHO.
Maybe we should all look in the mirror before throwing stones at another.

Really Amy??? All I can say to this is wow. Just Wow. Aren't you being just a bit of a hypocrite? I'll say no more.

amy researches wrote:

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I agree, JWB. Hope you have a good weekend. I'm planning to spend a few days watching some holiday movies that I didn't have the chance to watch over the holidays. Maybe some new news will come out about Maura soon that we can all discuss. Until then, I don't have much to add to this conversation as all the theories have been talked about over and over. I can do without all the fighting here and need to be focusing on other things anyway. Happy new year. I hope it's a good one for you and your family.

Thanks Amy

I am going to shut the computer off and take my wife out for lunch and watch some football. happy new year as well and I hope your mom is doing ok.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Really Amy??? All I can say to this is wow. Just Wow. Aren't you being just a bit of a hypocrite? I'll say no more.

I don't think anyone deserves to be threatened.

JWB, Did You get that info You were looking for. Post post post

Tang Zoi wrote:

JWB, Did You get that info You were looking for. Post post post

I did but I am heading out for the afternoon. I will maybe post it later. It won't make some happy so I will wait for now.

I will email you what I was told.

Amy,

My post was made in the true spirit of compassion. As far as my statement concerning consequences; I believe very firmly in personal responsibility. It is my belief,right or wrong, that one of the bigger problems in this country today stems from a lack of personal responsibility. People are constantly making messes and expecting others to clean them up. From poor or apathetic parenting to expecting and believing that it is one's personal right to be supported by others. People constantly blame an unfair political system or government or there parents or anything else for their lot in life. The more we look outside of ourselves or blame others, the weaker and more dependant become.I do have compassion for people with mental illness. It affects almost everyone in this country. If you are not suffering from some form of it yourself, the odds are that you have a close friend or relative that is. As I'm sure you are aware the spectrum is very broad. If you look at the definition of insanity as per legal standards, it is clear that only those at the extreme end are considered to be so far gone that they are not culpable for their behavior. This means that all others have enough lucid moments to recognize the effects of their behavior. I feel strongly that you are obliged to yourself, your loved ones and society to seek treatment for mental illness and if you choose not to, there will be consequences. It's like coming to work with a really bad cold and sneezing on everyone. Sooner or later, people are going to lose compassion for you and your illness and get pissed that you keep spreading your germs around without any concern for those that don't have it or want it!

Thinks there is an "Im-Poster" in our gang

I actually did ask some questions earlier concerning the topic of this thread. I think by now I have put out enough disclaimers concerning my lack of knowledge that people would realize that those questions were legitimate and asked in all seriousness. I may very well have missed any posts concerning Fred and his other duaghter's relationship before and after Maura's disappearance. and any other posts that answer the other questions I asked. I would be grateful to anyone who could point me to those posts if they exist or try and answer my questions.. ; )

Ridiculous wrote:

I actually did ask some questions earlier concerning the topic of this thread. I think by now I have put out enough disclaimers concerning my lack of knowledge that people would realize that those questions were legitimate and asked in all seriousness. I may very well have missed any posts concerning Fred and his other duaghter's relationship before and after Maura's disappearance. and any other posts that answer the other questions I asked. I would be grateful to anyone who could point me to those posts if they exist or try and answer my questions.. ; )

Do some footwork there sleuth. The info is there.

amy researches wrote:

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My problem is not with conflicting emotions or the human psyche. My problem is with people who get their kicks out of toying with the mentally ill. If you are being genuinely compassionate, then I apologize. My take on your posting, because of your recent threats to beat JWB and the wording of your last sentence, is that you were being disingenuous with your pseudo-compassionate post and rather hoping to egg JWB on so that you might use whatever reaction he might have to extend another beating invite to him. If I am wrong, my sincere apologies.

i think you are enabling...JWB...to act out on this forum.

amy researches wrote:

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I don't think anyone deserves to be threatened.

but you speak out only in defense of those you perceive to be underdogs, not just "anyone". even if they are instigators. hence, Wowzer's comment about hypocrites.

amy researches wrote:

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My problem is not with conflicting emotions or the human psyche. My problem is with people who get their kicks out of toying with the mentally ill. If you are being genuinely compassionate, then I apologize. My take on your posting, because of your recent threats to beat JWB and the wording of your last sentence, is that you were being disingenuous with your pseudo-compassionate post and rather hoping to egg JWB on so that you might use whatever reaction he might have to extend another beating invite to him. If I am wrong, my sincere apologies.

toying with the "mentally ill"? that's quite a leap. a diagnosis.
in defense of Ridiculous, he/she was careful not to make that diagnosis. he/she suggested "clinical intervention", which is an appropriate response to the repeated behaviors exhibited on this thread.