Maura Murray

jenkins wrote:

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Have you ever actually read his statements? Youre right that most of his interviews were in print, but we aren't talkng about them missquoting him.

Of course I read his statements. I realize that "you" are not talking about the interviews misquoting him, because "you" choose to call him a liar rather than recognize that reporters may have taken his statements out of context, or only quoted part of a statement he made, or converted what he actually said into their own words which conveyed something different than what he said.

For example, one statement the SBD supposedly made was to the effect that "her face was mostly hidden by the airbag, I could only see her from the nose up".(not an exact quote) This statement has been questioned as to accuracy because of course the airbags deflate almost instantly. However, his statement could be true since (1)she could easily have still been a bit dazed by the airbag and somewhat slumped in her seat, and (2) might have pulled the deflated airbag up a little to help shield her eyes from the bright headlights of the bus. Since the SBD had no known motivation to lie about what he saw, it is unfair to accuse him of lying and he should properly be given the benefit of the doubt.

jenkins wrote:

<quoted text> If I have to, I will dig up his various stories tomorrow and post them to prove that he definitely lied.
If there were just a few minor difference then I would attrribute that to misqutoes or bad reporting or whatevner, but when major things are different in different interviews, then that means his story changed.
His story completley changed at least 3 different times.
In one version he never got out of his bus, in another he did get out of his bus.
In one version she was in her car, in another she was in her car.
He even told one where he said that he couldn't really see her face bc it was hidden by the airbag, which is physically impossible.
Make no mistake, he DEFINITELY told AT LEAST 3 different versions of what happened, VERY different versions. He LIED about the events of that night, no question about it.

Further, when asked more than once about witnessed events, people often remember details or give details in addition to what they initially said or expand more fully on what they initially said which can make their statements appear inconsistent. Add to this reporters trying to get some "new" information so their articles may stand out from what has already been printed, and the appearance of discrepancy is quite likely. Especially since the SBD apparently passed a lie detector test, and LE has never charged him with obstructing an investigation.

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jenkins wrote:

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MY god advocate, I can't believe this post you made.
Something that didn't happen?! So you're implying that because this guy didn't actually steal her it didn't happen? Now THIS post exhibits a serious lack of compassion, my god. Just what exactly does you name advaocate even mean then? What or who are you advoacting for?
Just because this sick fuck didn't actually steal her and she's not missing or dead right now means it didn't happen? Your post sickens me.
Its interesting because according to the state of Mass something happened because the guy is curently sititng upstate in prison for what he did. Your post is just horrible.
Its funny because being the age that I am I know more than a couple peole who've served in both iraq and afghanistan, many of them suffereing from PTSD. What are you saying that you need to go to war to get PTSD??? Have you ever looked up or researche ANYTHING involving PTSD? WHat a horrible post you made.
I was talking about how wowzer clearly has no understanding of how the national service dog registry works. In my original post I said that she has a trained protection dog that is also registered as a service animal so it can go anywhere she goes, which is true. Wowzer's post just showed a total lack of knowledge on the subject and was basically just total bullshit,
YOUR postis just simply horrendous, I can not beleve that you wrote that. So only women who actually get abducted or raped have the right to get PTSD?? ONLY women who actally get abducted have the right to be efffected from it years later? now THAT is a complete lack of understanding and compassion, total hardcore lack of any compassion at all. Maybe you can go visit the guy in prison and tell him how he shouldn't be there because it didn't happen?
You people make me sick! I never expected to see such a horrible post from you advocate. And exactly who are you an advocate for? She didn't actually get abducted so it didn't happen, what a iidiculously stupid comment.
And for the recod, someone can get PTSD from ONE event that makes them fear for their life, go do some research into PTSD; you don't need to be in a war to get PTSD!! Go do some research on the matter because you look really stupid in that post! Who are you avocating for? Men that abuct women or something??

I wasn't per se referencing your girlfriend, although I suppose it may have looked that way to you. My comment was intended broadly. We all face potentially deadly situations every day -- a simple drive down the block has us being passed by multi-ton vehicles mere inches away where the slightest miscalculation could result in almost certain death. The human race would not have gotten far if disability followed in the wake of every near miss.

Advocator wrote:

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Of course I read his statements. I realize that "you" are not talking about the interviews misquoting him, because "you" choose to call him a liar rather than recognize that reporters may have taken his statements out of context, or only quoted part of a statement he made, or converted what he actually said into their own words which conveyed something different than what he said.
For example, one statement the SBD supposedly made was to the effect that "her face was mostly hidden by the airbag, I could only see her from the nose up".(not an exact quote) This statement has been questioned as to accuracy because of course the airbags deflate almost instantly. However, his statement could be true since (1)she could easily have still been a bit dazed by the airbag and somewhat slumped in her seat, and (2) might have pulled the deflated airbag up a little to help shield her eyes from the bright headlights of the bus. Since the SBD had no known motivation to lie about what he saw, it is unfair to accuse him of lying and he should properly be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Further, when asked more than once about witnessed events, people often remember details or give details in addition to what they initially said or expand more fully on what they initially said which can make their statements appear inconsistent. Add to this reporters trying to get some "new" information so their articles may stand out from what has already been printed, and the appearance of discrepancy is quite likely. Especially since the SBD apparently passed a lie detector test, and LE has never charged him with obstructing an investigation.
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What you're saying right there makes sense, that could be reporter error.
But what about the other interview where he says that she was out of her car and standing on the other side of the car and talking to him>?
See what i'm saying, his interviews say compleely different things. In one she's in the car hidden behind the airbag, in another she's out of the car.

I'm gonna dig up some of his many stories, there is no question that he lied about the events of that night, the question is why

jenkins wrote:

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What you're saying right there makes sense, that could be reporter error.
But what about the other interview where he says that she was out of her car and standing on the other side of the car and talking to him>?
See what i'm saying, his interviews say compleely different things. In one she's in the car hidden behind the airbag, in another she's out of the car.
I'm gonna dig up some of his many stories, there is no question that he lied about the events of that night, the question is why

How about this: when he first saw her, she was in the car partly hidden behind the airbag, and then she tried to get out of the car but had trouble doing so (car door hitting snow bank), however did manage it after a minute and was out of the car when she was talking to him. Some reporter focused on what the SBD first saw, another reporter focused on who was where when they were speaking.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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***any person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity might be a candidate for a Service Dog. Please note that Therapy Dogs, Search and Rescue Dogs, Forensic Dogs, Police K-9's, Military Working Dogs and other types of working dogs are NOT Service Dogs and under no circumstances may be registered with the US Service Dog Registry.***
Jenkins is this another bald faced lie? Protection/guard dogs are not service dogs and cannot be registered as service dogs.
I find it hard to believe that a woman is so scared of going out that she must have a trained German Shepard protection dog next to her at all times and a can of pepper spray in her purse.
I'm sure glad I don't live where ever your girlfriend does. Sounds like a real dangerous neighborhood.
Jenkins wrote:***First of all its BOLD face lie, not ballld faced lie, lol.

Second of all your lack of understandig/compassion is uunbelievable to me. That people like you exist in the wold is truly sad to me.

But you're right, a protection dog can't be registered as a service dog.
Our German shepherd Hunter is registered with the National Service dog registry as a therapy dog/companion dog, which in reality a dog needs no special training to be registered as. After almost being ABDUCTED several years ago she developed PTSD which basically turned into severe anxiety, and getting our GSD has done wonders for her state of mind. WAYYYYY more than any therapist or pill can do.
Now just because a dog is a registered therapy dog does NOT mean it can't ALSO be a trained protection dog, get your facts straight before you talk out your ass, but you don't care about that because you're a weirdo and a liar ***

Wowzer wrote: You are number than a box of rocks. You better tell your GF that her therapy dog is illegally registered. Read the information again that I posted above and this time try hard to understand what it really says.

Your dog can be a protection dog, a therapy dog, a coon dog, a military dog etc but it CANNOT legally be registered with the US service dog registry as you yourself have stated it is a THERAPY/COMPANION dog..
I think someone is telling bald, bold and outright lies here and is so full of bovine feces that they don't know what the truth even is anymore.
Before insulting people and calling them liars and much more you really should look hard in the mirror.

Tang Zoi wrote:

The red truck on BHR was seen within a few minutes of the 911 call by FW.

Then BA must have seen it.

mcsmom wrote:

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Then BA must have seen it.

I believe BA would have seen pretty much everything from his vantage point while he was outside. Like which way the red truck came from (east or west) and saw it turn up BHD.

Not saying He did but it was possible.

Ridiculous wrote:

Bobby,
You really do project your buttocks talking issues here on people that are willing to do the research you refuse to do. Bald face lie; See colloquial use. Bare faced, bold faced and bald faced. The interesting thing here is that, you're statement, in which you were accused of being a "bald faced liar" is indeed aptly described.. I do like your Dos Passos, stream of consciuosness approach to your writing, but I must say, it should be prefaced as such, as in Dos' case with his Amercan trilogy, the critics will tear you apart. I hope you are able to publish your cantos soon and not languish away in some foreign prison until it becomes outdated though! Ah, the heady day's of the left bank when we were all starving and hung out with Gertrude and Alice and could borrow great Lit. From Sylvia beaches little lending library...

Sorry Bob,
The last bit was a reference to the expatriate writing and art community in Paris during the 30's and 40's..You know; John Dos Passos, James Joyce, Ernest Hemingway, F Scott Fitzgerald, Pablo Picasso, Gertrude Stein and her companion Alice Toklas just to name a few. I just assumed you had studied this particular important period in literature because your style, with your Novels, posted here, seems to have been heavily influenced by Dos' "stream of consciousness prose...My mistake to assume. Can one infer from your confusion that you are more into Lie Detective stories? Do you read Tangs stuff? Could I suggest reading some Poe? You could pick up some pretty heavy vocab words there and have poor Findmaura and clan reeling from his very not modern and hip lingo... I personally love his writing, but, like a lot of the Russians, I find it should be taken in moderation as it can get quite dark... ; )

Ridiculous wrote:

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honestly, I am actually bummed out about Bob's demise. I know he used to get a little racy and swear now and again, but as I once posted, I always respected his knowledge and passion. This Troll that has stolen his Moniker has absolutely destroyed his integrity and has become alarmingly abusive to the woman on this thread. As myself and someone else recently stated, the real Bob Jenkins had this singularly refreshing ability to admit when he was wrong, sometimes even in mid post.
It is my sincere hope that the real Bob Jenkins is blissfully playing frisbee in a park somewhere with his dog and has no clue that he is being trolled by this group that conspires to steal monikers.. ; )

oh, please don't confuse the people with {sarcasm}.:)

Bob,

I've reconsidered,

Let's not dive right into Edgars stuff just yet okay?
There were some great detective books introduced around the same time the expatriate period was happening. Two wonderful series that were the brain children of publisher Edward Stratemeyer. Both series were actually written by various writers but published under the pseudonyms, Carol Keene and Franklin W Dixon.
These tales chronicle the adventures of a couple of teenage detective brothers and a young, hot innocent female sleuth, Don't get any ideas about her though she is in a pretty serious relationship with Ned Nickerson..
lets do this and then some Agatha Christie and Maybe a little of Mr.Doyle's work and then ease into some Poe....

Ridiculous wrote:

Bob,
I've reconsidered,
Let's not dive right into Edgars stuff just yet okay?
There were some great detective books introduced around the same time the expatriate period was happening. Two wonderful series that were the brain children of publisher Edward Stratemeyer. Both series were actually written by various writers but published under the pseudonyms, Carol Keene and Franklin W Dixon.
These tales chronicle the adventures of a couple of teenage detective brothers and a young, hot innocent female sleuth, Don't get any ideas about her though she is in a pretty serious relationship with Ned Nickerson..
lets do this and then some Agatha Christie and Maybe a little of Mr.Doyle's work and then ease into some Poe....

Error! It is Carolyn Keene.

Tang Zoi wrote:

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I believe BA would have seen pretty much everything from his vantage point while he was outside. Like which way the red truck came from (east or west) and saw it turn up BHD.
Not saying He did but it was possible.

I think there’s a good chance BA went inside his house for 10-15 minutes (maybe grabbed a quick bite) and when he went back out to do his paperwork Maura was already gone, baby gone in Red Truck. Up BHR or back into town, IDK.

Tang, you’re pretty convinced Red Truck went up BHR, aren’t you?

Tomorrow night, NBC Dateline is doing a special on the murder of Mickey Shunick (Brandon Scott Lavergne convicted & serving life sentence @ Angola) in May 2012. Mickey carried mace and, by all accounts, would not have gotten into a stranger’s truck willingly. There were houses that backed onto the green space where she was bumped and abducted, yet apparently nobody heard a thing. Thank goodness for security cameras, good policing and a tip from an acquaintance who thought Lavergne was acting squirrelly after the fact.

mcsmom wrote:

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Error! It is Carolyn Keene.

thank goodness! we're all paying attention, comprehending and learning!:)!
i loved Holmes and Poe as a child, and had a passion for reading obits (short autobiographies). still do.
Ridiculous could make a case for a reading group here.

ever thine, ever mine, ever ours......

mcsmom wrote:

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Error! It is Carolyn Keene.

Error duly noted, Responsibility taken. Excuse given; In my haste, I forgot to add the "ly".... ; )

Crap,
Another error, sorry, I'm trying to help my sixth grader with his math homework. This new math has me flustered...NOT one of my strengths....!
Forgot to add the "yn"

Now I see how we got to 31,000+ posts.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

Wowzer the real one wrote:
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***any person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity might be a candidate for a Service Dog. Please note that Therapy Dogs, Search and Rescue Dogs, Forensic Dogs, Police K-9's, Military Working Dogs and other types of working dogs are NOT Service Dogs and under no circumstances may be registered with the US Service Dog Registry.***
Jenkins is this another bald faced lie? Protection/guard dogs are not service dogs and cannot be registered as service dogs.
I find it hard to believe that a woman is so scared of going out that she must have a trained German Shepard protection dog next to her at all times and a can of pepper spray in her purse.
I'm sure glad I don't live where ever your girlfriend does. Sounds like a real dangerous neighborhood.
Jenkins wrote:***First of all its BOLD face lie, not ballld faced lie, lol.
Second of all your lack of understandig/compassion is uunbelievable to me. That people like you exist in the wold is truly sad to me.
But you're right, a protection dog can't be registered as a service dog.
Our German shepherd Hunter is registered with the National Service dog registry as a therapy dog/companion dog, which in reality a dog needs no special training to be registered as. After almost being ABDUCTED several years ago she developed PTSD which basically turned into severe anxiety, and getting our GSD has done wonders for her state of mind. WAYYYYY more than any therapist or pill can do.
Now just because a dog is a registered therapy dog does NOT mean it can't ALSO be a trained protection dog, get your facts straight before you talk out your ass, but you don't care about that because you're a weirdo and a liar ***
Wowzer wrote: You are number than a box of rocks. You better tell your GF that her therapy dog is illegally registered. Read the information again that I posted above and this time try hard to understand what it really says.
Your dog can be a protection dog, a therapy dog, a coon dog, a military dog etc but it CANNOT legally be registered with the US service dog registry as you yourself have stated it is a THERAPY/COMPANION dog..
I think someone is telling bald, bold and outright lies here and is so full of bovine feces that they don't know what the truth even is anymore.
Before insulting people and calling them liars and much more you really should look hard in the mirror.

Sorry to tell you wowzer but it is legally registered with the national service dog registry.
I wish there was a way to post pix on this site I would post a pic of his license right now, with his handlers name redacted lol.

Wowzer you have no idea what you're talking about, your ignorance is Astounding.

Is there any way to post pix on topix or is that just impossible, I would love to show that wowzer has no clue WTH she is talking about. The dog is allowed anywhere she goes, which is super convenient. We are about to take him to the grocery store right now actually :)

jenkins wrote:

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Sorry to tell you wowzer but it is legally registered with the national service dog registry.
I wish there was a way to post pix on this site I would post a pic of his license right now, with his handlers name redacted lol.
Wowzer you have no idea what you're talking about, your ignorance is Astounding.
Is there any way to post pix on topix or is that just impossible, I would love to show that wowzer has no clue WTH she is talking about. The dog is allowed anywhere she goes, which is super convenient. We are about to take him to the grocery store right now actually :)

Bob if you must, post pic to youtube and create a link.. about the dog shopping; Be careful they have a large Isle in there designed to trick you into impulse buying. My kids are constantly coming home with chew toys, flea collars and over priced throw toys...

SnowyB wrote:

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thank goodness! we're all paying attention, comprehending and learning!:)!
i loved Holmes and Poe as a child, and had a passion for reading obits (short autobiographies). still do.
Ridiculous could make a case for a reading group here.

I love obits and full length autobiographies!