Maura Murray

Seems like the MMM facebook page is suddenly wild.Why?A frenzy of sorts.

Seriously thought, what difference does it make? There's no way she was really drunk, her motor skills were obviously working just fine as we know she walked arohnd in the ice an snow for several minutes.

She also sat at her car for over 15 minutes! Maybe at that point she thought they weren't coming?? You ever thought of that? She's in the middle of NH, every kid from mass and ct think they're in the middle of the wilderness up there, everyone's heard stories of the cops taking an hour to get there.
She was at the car 15 minutes so we can safely assume she wasn't THAT scared of the cops. Of someone is scared of the cops you would expect them to grab their stuff and be out of there in a flash, that clearly didn't happen.

For all anybody knows she was sitting there fully expecting the cops to come along any minute, obviously why she threw her coke bottle under the car. So she sits there for at least 15 mine, remeber it took smith 19min from when FW called to get on scene and she was seen at the car just a couple 2-3 mins before smith got there.
So she was at this car for a while, maybe to her it felt longer than 15 minutes. For all we know she though they weren't coming and decided to hitch a ride, which is obviously what she did.

Point being that her actually being intoxicated is an ASSUMPTION. An ASSUMPTION that ignores what a couple reliable, and one unreliable, witnesses said about her behavior. Since that is an assumption that's not based on any known facts of the case any conclusions drawn from it are seriously faulty
Particularly the assumption that she was actively eluding LE. This just doesn't match up with what the witnesses said in any way.
We have a girl who crashed and sat with her car for a solid 15 mins. Walked around her car just find, walking back to the trunk a couple times at least presumably getting her things together; sitting there with her door wide open on the side of the road trying to get a cell signal. This is what ANY NORMAL person would do in that situation. How long do you have to wait for the cops? She was from ma where the cops show up within minutes when they're called. She very well may have thought they weren't coming.

None of this is tha actions of a girl who is particularly scared of the cops, of someone who is scared of a DUI. Not only scared, but sooooo scared that she is about to walk miles into the woods, literally to her death, wearing low top sneakers and jeans just to avoid them.

That theory just makes no sense when you actually analyze what the witnesses said, and I'm talking analyze them not just skim over them and assume you know what they're saying which is exactly how it seems most of you are looking at them. Reading what the people actually said and critically examining it with an open mind, not your backwards ass preconceived notions of what you THINK they're saying and what you THINK happened. That's not how you drawn an educated conclusion on anything. And in this case we don't have a lot to go on so we need to really listen and analyze what the witnesses said that much more.

findmaura wrote:

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Who saw the Red Truck in Amherst?

Who ever even said there really was a red truck in Amherst? Has this ever even been confirmed in any way? All I've heard about is a few whispers on this forum of a rumor that seems was started by beagle of all people.
IMO the best guess we can get as to what happened is to read what was said in court by state, and then fill in the blanks with what was said by one of the real PI's who used to post here, weeper aka frank Kelly, who was a former NHSP detective and now a member of the NHLI.
The prosecutor says some very interesting things namely about people local to the area and businesses they may own, this is when he give his 75% change of charges being brought. 75% means that he must have something that indicates a crime took place. If he had nothing then he would have to say 50% chance, meaning he didn't know and it could go either way. But he didn't say that, he said 75%. That means they must have something more than suspicion, or otherwise he would be committing perjury. But he has the case file to protect, he couldn't say any details in open court bc he'd be damaging the case that he is fighting to protect.
So then read what weeper has to say on the topic. He specifically says that in his couple years investigating the case nothing has led him more than a few miles from the accident scene. He places this as a local crime. This guy is a professional with years under his belt investigating major crimes, he's not going to say something, or even draw a conclusion without some sort of evidence backing it up.
If you read what weeper wrote on this case, and use it to fill in the blanks of what was said in court it paints a pretty good picture of what happened. That she caught a ride from someone, this person lives in the area near where he car was found and this person killed her.
IMO its rather clear that LE has a damn good suspect, and the guy is a local. They've asked permission to search his property and have even applied for warrants but have been denied. They know a lot more that we do, they have a damn good idea of exactly what happened in this case, they just don't have the evidence to convict.
LE will NEVER admit this unless they have the guy in cuffs, NEVER. Theyll never admit there's a killer right under their nose and they just can't catch the guy, that'll make them look really really bad.

Seriously though, has any reliable source that's confirmed to be connected to this case EVER mentioned a red truck back at umass that's possibly connected to this case, or possibly has ties to the Haverhill area? The only mention I can find of it is on this forum here and it sounds like its strictly rumor, nothing confirmed.

All I'm saying is who ever said this truck actually exists at umass? To me it sounds like just a rumor. How do people online know about this but LE doesn't and hasn't known about it for 8 years? Saying the truck has ties to the area and was at umass implies some kind of connection, I see nothing that indicates a real connection, I see no mention of this by anyone who's confirmed to be connected to this case. Seems like an Internet rumor that was probably started by Beagle of all people.

Maruchan wrote:

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This is so amusing. Whenever you run into people who disagree with you, you call them trolls. Now you come here, to tell us about the "trolls" on Facebook. Oh yes, I'm just gonna jump right on that one! Especially when, on 12/30/12 in your Twitter feed you posted a link to this thread, saying "The trolls have invaded a forum about the disappearance of Maura Murray: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/... …" Of course, you posted that right after you were taken to task by members here for outing Orko's real name a couple hours before. So you ran off to Twitter to get some of your followers there to come back you up here.
And now you are over on the Maura Murray Missing Facebook page, as you are regularly, posting your incorrect "facts" that Helena Murray has to continually correct you on, calling posters there "ignorant" and you come here to get us to go there to back you? Uh, I think not. As far as I can see, you are the troll, here and on Maura's page.
Truly pathetic.

it's hard to defend the indefensible. outing Orko was unprofessional. i expected more than that of an investigative journalist. i hope orko returns.

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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Knockoffs? Hardly.
I live in Chicago - the GOP is, for all intents and purposes, non-existent here. No hotline help for me.
I'm surprised, Beagle. I expect better from you.
At the barest minimum, some belabored tangentially connected conspiracy from the Windy City, or some such.

for what it matters, i trust it is one of at least the 3 personas of Sybil. it's a childish moniker, and likely belongs to the one of vacillating genders.

Jenkins wrote:

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Yes, you are right that the SBD's story has varied, he told at least 3 versions of events. But the other witnesses, the wman;s and the marotte's stories both corraborate what the SBD said about her being drunk. They report a person who is walking around her car just fine, going to the trunk, llooking at the damage, they report absolutely nothing that indicates she was drunk, nothing.
There is not one witness who reports anything resembling her being drunk, all there is is a bottle that was under the car and a pink stain in the snow, that's it.
So there is no factual evidence to indicate she was DRUNK. You can't say there was no factual evidence to indicate she was sober, it doesn't work like that. Either there's evidence, or even something indicating that she was drunk, or there's not. If there's nothing indicating such then you have to assume that she was NOT drunk, expecially when you have the one witness who actually spoke to her saying that she was NOT drunk. Your whole line of loic here is totally backwards; there's nothing to indicate she was sober?!
What the hell is there to indicate she was drunk?? THAT is the question, you act like it's just a given that she was drunk and without evidence she was not that she must've been. Well it's the other way around, without ANYTHING indicating she was intoxicated you have to assume she was SOBER.
I love the ass backwards logic that's present around here. Totally backward and hypocritical to the max

I said half in the wrapper not drunk. But anyway,

open container

accident

leaving the scene

taking booze with her

lying about calling AAA

Jenkins wrote:

Seriously though, has any reliable source that's confirmed to be connected to this case EVER mentioned a red truck back at umass that's possibly connected to this case, or possibly has ties to the Haverhill area? The only mention I can find of it is on this forum here and it sounds like its strictly rumor, nothing confirmed.
All I'm saying is who ever said this truck actually exists at umass? To me it sounds like just a rumor. How do people online know about this but LE doesn't and hasn't known about it for 8 years? Saying the truck has ties to the area and was at umass implies some kind of connection, I see nothing that indicates a real connection, I see no mention of this by anyone who's confirmed to be connected to this case. Seems like an Internet rumor that was probably started by Beagle of all people.

Look who stayed up all night writing Tomes full of drivel. Jenkins, as Tang once said, "you're to easy". You've become another one of those weird phenomenon. A blathering Idiot that is incapable of real conversation because you are manically stuck in a loop listening to your own voice, and thus absolutely incapable of hearing anyone Else's. You can pretend that you don't read my posts if you want, but, hopefully, as you read this, you hear me when I tell you that you are one the dumbest people to ever post here. You really are. You are the number one hypocrite on this site. It's blatantly obvious to any one that even attempts to read these long, rambling, manic posts of yours.The more people point out the flaws in your theories and the flaws in your cognition, the more weight you give yourself concerning your self righteousness. You aren't a very bright guy at all. You see everything in black and white and insist that there is no spectrum of color, because Bob Jenkins can't comprehend that colors may actually exist for the rest of the world.
You have this bizarre desire to criticize people for the very flaws that you consistently present here on this thread and it's quite interesting to study your patterns. It really is. I predict an escalation, and imho, you are pretty close to the old "bat crap crazy" point now...Mark my words... ; )

Snowy wrote:

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for what it matters, i trust it is one of at least the 3 personas of Sybil. it's a childish moniker, and likely belongs to the one of vacillating genders.

Although I'm aware that Granny claimed this moniker, I've come to believe it is Beagle as well. Earlier posts by Major dog crap contained not only better vocabulary than I've ever seen Granny put together, but a certain peculiar pattern that is present in some of beagles posts. This poster dates himself with his language however and I'm placing him at 55 or older. Jmho though....

oo00oo wrote:

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I said half in the wrapper not drunk. But anyway,
open container
accident
leaving the scene
taking booze with her
lying about calling AAA

Bob is a very simple one-dimensional human being. The key to understanding him is, by virtue of his simplicity, simple as well. He is just like one of Pavlov's dogs; Rattle his cage, and the drool just starts dripping. Give him a blank gun, and he's convinced he has won the war. Like I said he is very easy. With just the smallest amount of guidance, he makes a bigger and bigger fool out of himself on a daily basis. No need to be subtle in this cage rattling, he is too self involved to see it.

findmaura wrote:

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Ive finally slipped off my Tod's driving mocs after a long day...My point was,no need to be a showoff,its tasteless..
Another relevant note..When you finely attired ladies are done with your extravagant items i HONESTLY hope you find time to donate them to help the cold&hungry,when in fact people like me actually purchase them in bulk containers for resale.Im here,on the 3rd shift nightly working& making handsome profits selling these jewels to my friends in china..P.S..I wear Cashmere too.

Tasteless????

Taking donations, intended for redistribution to the poor and homeless and selling them over seas for handsome profits??!!!
Thank God you aren't involved in the organ donor program!
Find MoreA...Please review this classless, tasteless, scoundrelish post you wrote here. This post in which you not only admit to fleecing well intentioned individuals, But brag about it. Please realize that in one fell swoop, you have destroyed any crumb of integrity that you may have had here. You don't know why you are so compassionate, you just are....Why do these trolls want to pick on this group of individuals that are so selfless in their search for the truth..? Oh, an interesting story for you to read; Herb Baumeister...Google him, seems you two have the same business savvy..I won't be swimming in your pool in the near future... ; )

Granny,
We may have to relieve you from your judging duties.You clearly don't check content before you just wing them out there. Also, when your therapist tells you to step away from the area in your life that is causing you the most distress, she means the judging buttons as well..You're never going to get better if you keep sneaking back here... ; )

Hello

Everyone went to bed.....

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Ohh, a question, even though it's not marked as such. Makes me wonder if we would even be having this conversation if Maura just stayed by her car and waited for the police? Of course the drinking is a reason to run. On top of her other legal problems. Seems like a motive to go away, quickly, which she seemed to do. So I guess the drinking comes into play with her decision making. And of course, poor decision making is what we are talking about here. She is missing, we don't know why. We do know she made some bad decisions, and that she may have compounded those with even worse decisions. That is the reason the drinking is important. It helps establish, mindset, and her possible actions after the crash and very likely the reason for the crash. This has been talked about for years. Of course, likely, you were too busy feeling, or accusing, to read any rational thoughts on the subject.
Bill

i am just stunned that someone would think evidence of drinking and driving would not matter specific to a missing person and a car crash.

Maruchan wrote:

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This is so amusing. Whenever you run into people who disagree with you, you call them trolls. Now you come here, to tell us about the "trolls" on Facebook. Oh yes, I'm just gonna jump right on that one! Especially when, on 12/30/12 in your Twitter feed you posted a link to this thread, saying "The trolls have invaded a forum about the disappearance of Maura Murray: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/... …" Of course, you posted that right after you were taken to task by members here for outing Orko's real name a couple hours before. So you ran off to Twitter to get some of your followers there to come back you up here.
And now you are over on the Maura Murray Missing Facebook page, as you are regularly, posting your incorrect "facts" that Helena Murray has to continually correct you on, calling posters there "ignorant" and you come here to get us to go there to back you? Uh, I think not. As far as I can see, you are the troll, here and on Maura's page.
Truly pathetic.

Well said.

Ridiculous wrote:

<quoted text> Tasteless???? Please review this classless, tasteless, scoundrelish post you wrote here.

Urban Dictionary: scoundrelish - an unscrupulous condiment suitable for adorning a Coney Island hot dog. Never tasteless.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/dining/afte...

JR’s message to trollsRus:

"Dear Trolls,
I have decided to accept your crazy musings with a more open mind. While I don't agree with you, I respect your passion. We all want this case solved. I'm going at it my way. You're going at it your way. Great. I am working on gathering more evidence we can share and interpret in our different ways. In the end, I will present a book to you. A book that is a sequence of events and a tale of how some evidence was uncovered. You may be surprised in the end to find the book does not present much in the way of theory. It's a tragedy. About a girl who was as human as any one of us. And who got lost and hasn't been found. Here's hoping we get some answers this year. Peace.”

Snowy wrote:

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i am just stunned that someone would think evidence of drinking and driving would not matter specific to a missing person and a car crash.

It doesn't go along with his theory so it has to be wrong.

findmaura wrote:

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Ive finally slipped off my Tod's driving mocs after a long day...My point was,no need to be a showoff,its tasteless..
Another relevant note..When you finely attired ladies are done with your extravagant items i HONESTLY hope you find time to donate them to help the cold&hungry,when in fact people like me actually purchase them in bulk containers for resale.Im here,on the 3rd shift nightly working& making handsome profits selling these jewels to my friends in china..P.S..I wear Cashmere too.

This has to be the lowest post ever. You want people that work hard for their money and buy nice clothes and footware to donate those things they no longer want to help the poor and hungry so you can sit at a computer and buy them in bulk and make a profit for yourself by selling them out of the country. And then you have the nerve to say you make a handsome profit from doing this. Wow you're a piece of work.
I wonder if you're wearing one of Snowy's Cashmere hand me downs that she no longer wanted.