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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Beagle I can only tell you what I would do to protect my safety and that is to ignore such requests. You never know who you are really communicating with on a public forum.
Thanks, but I'm not sure how my safety is compromised by calling a local business and saying, "Hi, this is Beagle." If the real PI business did not post the request to call them, then the real PI office I call will laugh their real rear ends off. It will have been a prank of some kind.

If you read again the post by PSII Inc, it says to call the office. The poster did not provide a phone number, but implied that I should look it up myself. Which is easy to do and insures that I won't call the wrong number. The PI office is about 2-3 miles from where I'm now sitting and I drive past it most every day. I'm just not sure the request to call them is genuine, and if it is for real, then why would a local (Amherst) PI want to talk to a local poster about someone who disappeared in Haverhill, NH seven years ago and three hours north of here?

I just don't get it.
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Conclusion: There is no legal documentation to support MM having received a DUI or DWI. Period. Now while on the topic of "documentation," it seems if there had been more documentation of what had occurred the evening of Feb. 9, there might be more to work with, right? How come you are not "hooting" and spitting your coffee all over your monitor about this? You guys have not even been able to identify a time when the ST arrived on scene of the accident. After 6 years have passed it seems as though someone could have done this. Six whole years! Amazing!
Maura drank alcohol at a party. Maura subsequently drove her dads car.
CONCLUSION: Maura drove drunk. Legal actions by police have nothing to do with those facts.

ARE YOU THAT STUPID?
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Beagle wrote:
Why would a PI from the Amherst MA area - if that's who the poster really was - want to talk to Beagle, who is also from the Amherst MA area? Didn't Maura disappear from Haverhill NH, three hours north of Amherst MA? Interesting.
Ask yourself why you actually believe this.

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Beagle wrote:
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Thanks, but I'm not sure how my safety is compromised by calling a local business and saying, "Hi, this is Beagle." If the real PI business did not post the request to call them, then the real PI office I call will laugh their real rear ends off. It will have been a prank of some kind.
If you read again the post by PSII Inc, it says to call the office. The poster did not provide a phone number, but implied that I should look it up myself. Which is easy to do and insures that I won't call the wrong number. The PI office is about 2-3 miles from where I'm now sitting and I drive past it most every day. I'm just not sure the request to call them is genuine, and if it is for real, then why would a local (Amherst) PI want to talk to a local poster about someone who disappeared in Haverhill, NH seven years ago and three hours north of here?
I just don't get it.
You must use your own judgement then Beagle. If you feel it's safe to call an office and want to know why they want to talk to you then give them a call. I guess a public office is safer than a private person that wants you to call them.
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Wowzer -

I agree about not contacting people after exchanging posts with them. It might be okay some or even most of the time, but it really should be avoided.

But this is different. The moniker is the name of a local PI outfit located nearby. The post doesn't give a number to call. It says, "I believe you have my number." In other words, look it up for yourself so you'll know that you really are calling PSII Inc.(BTW, it's not like PS2, in Roman numerals. It's P S eye eye, Inc., the letters "I.") So there's really no safety concern that I can see. I'm just not sure whether I should call them or not.

It's a local PI biz and a local me. Maura's car was found in Haverhill NH, 3 hours north of here. NHSP are investigating. Does this mean there is more to the Amherst angle than was previously thought? Not sure what to think about it, but if the post is for real, then it must mean something?

I'm not sure about talking to a PI. Might be a good or might not. Hard to say.

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Scooby Doodles,
...fact is...the more I read about this case, the disappearance and its "aftermath" the more I'm leaning toward the idea of putting a jigger or two of vodka in my coffee. Really. Of course, it's always easier to solve a case if there is a body. In my opinion, however, some information that might have helped in this case may have been ignored? Ignored? No, maybe not ignored. To say something is ignored, is to infer, imply that something has been first noticed, observed. Maybe "overlooked" would be more appropriate. Forgotten? Maybe?
If you think some information has been ignored or overlooked then call the Haverhill PD or the Cold case or the NH SP and tell them what information you think was overlooked.

Your not helping anyone by telling a bunch of posters on a public forum this stuff. While your at it you might tell them the description and personal information of the abducter/serial killer that you told here on the forums. I'm sure they would appreciate your help.
Beagle

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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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You must use your own judgement then Beagle. If you feel it's safe to call an office and want to know why they want to talk to you then give them a call. I guess a public office is safer than a private person that wants you to call them.
It's not a safety issue. I'm just trying to figure out what it means. Why a local Amherst MA PI would want to talk to me about this. If the request is genuine, then I won't know what they want until I actually start talking with them. I don't know what their agenda is, their purpose is, and I don't want to get mixed up with something I don't understand.

But the main thing is that - unless it's a prank - a real person, probably a PI, wants to talk to me. It's like after all these years, a real person's head suddenly poked out of the monitor/screen and started talking. It's weird.

Why would they call me? Any ideas?
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Beagle wrote:
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It's not a safety issue. I'm just trying to figure out what it means. Why a local Amherst MA PI would want to talk to me about this. If the request is genuine, then I won't know what they want until I actually start talking with them. I don't know what their agenda is, their purpose is, and I don't want to get mixed up with something I don't understand.
But the main thing is that - unless it's a prank - a real person, probably a PI, wants to talk to me. It's like after all these years, a real person's head suddenly poked out of the monitor/screen and started talking. It's weird.
Why would they call me? Any ideas?
I should have written WHY (emphasis, not shouting) would an Amherst area PI company want to talk to a local person about Maura's disappearance? Emphasis on WHY an AMHERST PI wants to talk to someone. If someone in LE or a PI wants to talk with a poster, I would expect the LE or PI to be from the NH area, not the Amherst MA area.

I'm not saying this is about me, but the request, if it's for real, seems to say something about the case itself. Such as there's more to the Amherst angle than we previously thought? It's possibly a little bit of confirmation that her disappearance is rooted in Amherst?

What I'm saying is that if the request is genuine, then what does it imply about Maura's disappearance? It seems to me that this is possibly some kind of indication of something. I just don't know what. After all, PIs have been known to work for the guilty as often as the innocent. They're like lawyers, they're for hire. Hard to tell what side they're on, if any.
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Beag, since I believe you when you have said you aren't involved in Mauras disappearance, what good could come to you by discussing this issue with them? Obviously if someone chooses to believe something despite the facts, it amounts to harassment. Why should you endure any further for no result when it is said and done, just possible anguiish to yourself?

That stubborness is a lurking aftermath of evil. It should be quashed.
Beagle

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It's just a very unusual thing for a PI to do, to single out a poster and try to make contact. How many times has a poster been requested by a PI in these thousands of Topix posts (at least 5-10 threads) to contact them? To pick up the phone and call them? Has Nasson or Healy or Mr. Waving Handgun or DC or anyone else ever asked a specific poster to call them at their office?

And this is not a NH PI or someone in LE. It's in Amherst MA.

Not complaining, but I've lost about all a person can lose and still be alive. I'm not young or even middle-aged any more. No room ahead to recover much. Bones don't work good. Jobs impossible to find, etc. I don't want to get kicked any more when I'm already down and almost out. On the other hand, if I could help in any small way, I'd be more than glad to. Just not at my own expense. Been mis-judged and laughed at enough.
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Scooby Doodles wrote:
Beag, since I believe you when you have said you aren't involved in Mauras disappearance, what good could come to you by discussing this issue with them? Obviously if someone chooses to believe something despite the facts, it amounts to harassment. Why should you endure any further for no result when it is said and done, just possible anguiish to yourself?
That stubborness is a lurking aftermath of evil. It should be quashed.
Quash is mainly a legal term, like quash a subpoena.
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Beagle, I really think you should just ignore that post. If a legitimate PI wants to talk to you in real life, they surely would make real life contact. Just my opinion.
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rozShoem wrote:
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Snowy,
It's not that you are mindless, but it appears that you and others on this forum may be attempting to protect someone. This is highlighted by your furious attempts to dampen any abduction, foul play theory.
you appear to be paranoid in sentence #1. i don't have inside info about her disappearance, and i don't give a crap as much as i used to. you annoy me by your unfounded premises. frankly, you're full of the same crap that i don't give.
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hannah_b wrote:
Beagle, I really think you should just ignore that post. If a legitimate PI wants to talk to you in real life, they surely would make real life contact. Just my opinion.
Sorry if I'm not making myself clear. Why do you think the PI that I would phone would not be legitimate, not a real PI?

The POSTER may or may not be a PI, but the person whose office I would call is very definitely a legitimate PI. The office is about 10 minutes from here. I drive past it about 10 times a week. The poster said, in effect, look up the number for his PI business (same name as his moniker) and give him a call. So there's no question that the PI that would answer the phone is legit. I just don't know what his request might mean in regard to Maura's disappearance. He's not just wasting the time of day. He must want to know something relating Maura's disappearance.

Just because his skill level is known to be quite high, doesn't mean he can identify the real me from the Beagle who posts on Topix. Or maybe he hasn't tried. Or maybe he does know who I am but figures why take the time to find out where I live and drive there and hope he's home when he can just post a request on Topix that I'll eventually see.

There are two distinct questions here.

1. Did this real PI (PSII, Inc.) really post the request to call him? Or was it posted by someone else pulling off a prank?

2. If it was the real PI who posted it, should I call him? He may or may not know who I am in person. He may only know me the same way some/most other posters know me, by my moniker. Maybe he believes that posting to Topix Amherst MA is the only or best way to request that I call him.

There's no chance here that I would call someone other than a well established, local PI. He said I have his number, which means look it up in the book and call him. Doing that makes him legit.

The main point is that I have been asked to phone the office of an indisputably legitimate PI presumably about something to do with Maura's disappearance.

The PI is local to Amherst. Why is an Amherst MA PI interested in a case investigated by NHSP? Does this mean that Amherst is more important than we think? What kinds of questions will he ask? Who does he work for? He didn't just decide that it was a quiet day and why don't I talk to Beagle for a half hour on the phone.
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The only thing I could think of was to ask him some questions that few other posters would be able to answer quickly. That would or at least might tell me the post was either real or fake. So far, no answers, so either he's busy, lost interest, or he never posted it in the first place - it was a prank. Someone's just trying to bug me. Don't know. Can't tell.

But if it's legit, it could reveal something about Maura's disappearance. But if he wants to talk confidentially, then no one's going to know about it anyway.

It's just a very strange thing to have happen. I can see that some other posters on Topix - Dawn or Whitson, for example - might want to make direct contact, but a local PI? It's the closest someone can come on Topix to sending a PM.
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Beagle wrote:
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Sorry if I'm not making myself clear. Why do you think the PI that I would phone would not be legitimate, not a real PI?
The POSTER may or may not be a PI, but the person whose office I would call is very definitely a legitimate PI. The office is about 10 minutes from here. I drive past it about 10 times a week. The poster said, in effect, look up the number for his PI business (same name as his moniker) and give him a call. So there's no question that the PI that would answer the phone is legit. I just don't know what his request might mean in regard to Maura's disappearance. He's not just wasting the time of day. He must want to know something relating Maura's disappearance.
Just because his skill level is known to be quite high, doesn't mean he can identify the real me from the Beagle who posts on Topix. Or maybe he hasn't tried. Or maybe he does know who I am but figures why take the time to find out where I live and drive there and hope he's home when he can just post a request on Topix that I'll eventually see.
There are two distinct questions here.
1. Did this real PI (PSII, Inc.) really post the request to call him? Or was it posted by someone else pulling off a prank?
2. If it was the real PI who posted it, should I call him? He may or may not know who I am in person. He may only know me the same way some/most other posters know me, by my moniker. Maybe he believes that posting to Topix Amherst MA is the only or best way to request that I call him.
There's no chance here that I would call someone other than a well established, local PI. He said I have his number, which means look it up in the book and call him. Doing that makes him legit.
The main point is that I have been asked to phone the office of an indisputably legitimate PI presumably about something to do with Maura's disappearance.
The PI is local to Amherst. Why is an Amherst MA PI interested in a case investigated by NHSP? Does this mean that Amherst is more important than we think? What kinds of questions will he ask? Who does he work for? He didn't just decide that it was a quiet day and why don't I talk to Beagle for a half hour on the phone.
Beagle, just ignore the moron! If he really is a PI it is quite obvious he isnīt very good at his job and is one of the shadier ones. The profession has a bad reputation for a reason.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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If you did your homework or were here from the beginning you would know the answers to your questions and wouldn't have to ask.
Evidently you are here just to point fingers and accuse people of covering up or protecting someone while you haven't even bothered to learn the basics.
To ease your mind I will say that I haven't heard of anyone in this area being bullied,pressured, frightened,stalked or vandalized by anyone that is a part of this forum.
I would suggest that you go back to studying what few facts are out there and what others have said on the different sites concerning MM before you make anymore of a silly goose out of yourself by spewing untruths and BS that many here can spot from a mile away. I must say though that some of the things you have said on the sites have brought a smile and sometimes even much laughter which is much needed this time of year. For that I thank you.:)
You are so right Wowzer. I am so tired of trying to educate this person, I choose to not even waste my time responding. She get so many things wrong that if she had done even the most basic reading would allow her to know. I am not sure she isn't just doing this for sport. She gets so much of the basic information wrong. S/he appears to come from the school of "I'll sling this poop on the wall and see if any of it sticks."

Well I'm through wasting my time washing the walls.

Just spent several days relaxing and being amused myself about the people running around in NH killing and kidnapping everyone. My wife and I had such a great time. So relaxing, incredibly quiet and beautiful scenery. Also spent time reading in depth about the total abortion that is the Patric McCarthy case. Still trying to figure out why no one is talking about that. I suppose they are all circling the wagons trying to figure a way to make it appear that everyone is in cahoots with everyone else. That the two M.E.s all conspired with Dr. Andrews to NOT list this child's death as murder. If someone wrote this as a movie no one would watch it because the plot is too stupid. None of the families cheerleaders on this forum has had anything to say either. Shocking. You would think that if they had even an ounce of decency, they would tell the family that this charade is over and that they should attempt to move on with their lives instead of looking for bogey men. As sad as that is, it nowhere compares to continuing to relive this horror and including others in it.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/lincoln-nh/TJ...

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THEN, OH BRILLIANT ONE, BY ALL MEANS, MAKE THE ARREST HAPPEN NOW.
OH WHAT? NO ONE?
WHAT A SURPRISE!
You are full of it.
Oh, my.... Gee whiz.... Sorry. I keep forgetting "you and yours" do not believe in documentation. How silly of me! The fact remains no one knew if the driver of the Saturn had been drinking. No breathalyzer was administered. In fact, many believe the female the SBD had spoken with may not have been Maura. You're accusing Maura of being "drunk?" when you do not even know for sure if she was at the scene of the accident. Talk about brilliance..... LOL.
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You are so right Wowzer. I am so tired of trying to educate this person, I choose to not even waste my time responding. She get so many things wrong that if she had done even the most basic reading would allow her to know. I am not sure she isn't just doing this for sport. She gets so much of the basic information wrong. S/he appears to come from the school of "I'll sling this poop on the wall and see if any of it sticks."
Well I'm through wasting my time washing the walls.
Just spent several days relaxing and being amused myself about the people running around in NH killing and kidnapping everyone. My wife and I had such a great time. So relaxing, incredibly quiet and beautiful scenery. Also spent time reading in depth about the total abortion that is the Patric McCarthy case. Still trying to figure out why no one is talking about that. I suppose they are all circling the wagons trying to figure a way to make it appear that everyone is in cahoots with everyone else. That the two M.E.s all conspired with Dr. Andrews to NOT list this child's death as murder. If someone wrote this as a movie no one would watch it because the plot is too stupid. None of the families cheerleaders on this forum has had anything to say either. Shocking. You would think that if they had even an ounce of decency, they would tell the family that this charade is over and that they should attempt to move on with their lives instead of looking for bogey men. As sad as that is, it nowhere compares to continuing to relive this horror and including others in it.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/lincoln-nh/TJ...
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Bill,
You sound like the Emperor....riding around enjoying the scenery, having "dressed" yourself in the belief that Pamela W's body was not found in the Franconia forest, that Maura did not disappear on Route 112, and that Chris F's abandoned van was parked there because he went for a hike for the purpose the sole purpose of composing a few pen and ink drawings. You're older, most likely have a home/a dwelling in the area and do not have out-of-state license plates on your car....and you are not alone on your drives...as you say, your wife is with you.
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hannah_b wrote:
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Beagle, just ignore the moron! If he really is a PI it is quite obvious he isnīt very good at his job and is one of the shadier ones. The profession has a bad reputation for a reason.
Don't worry guys, rather than have the two of you fighting over him, I'll contact him. Hopefully, I'll be in that area in July and maybe he'll be able to meet with me. He sounds fairly busy, though. Still, it might be worth a try to set up something. Bye.

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