Maura Murray

whatif wrote:

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the coincidence of the timing of the first crash with her dad's car, showing up in the wee hours of Sunday morning at his hotel and her disappearance in new hampshire shortly thereafter cannot be overlooked. like others, i do think there is information about what happened at the hotel that has been held back from law enforcement and/or the public. i just don't believe whatever that info is, it has anything to do with an inappropriate father-daughter relationship. although it is certainly fair to say that not all parent-child relationships, as you've noted, would have the same family relational dynamics as those exhibited by the murrays, and specifically between fred and maura.

whatif wrote:

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the coincidence of the timing of the first crash with her dad's car, showing up in the wee hours of Sunday morning at his hotel and her disappearance in new hampshire shortly thereafter cannot be overlooked. like others, i do think there is information about what happened at the hotel that has been held back from law enforcement and/or the public. i just don't believe whatever that info is, it has anything to do with an inappropriate father-daughter relationship. although it is certainly fair to say that not all parent-child relationships, as you've noted, would have the same family relational dynamics as those exhibited by the murrays, and specifically between fred and maura.

BillNH wrote:

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This is exactly why I have felt that Fred's refusal to discuss Maura's actions in the days leading up to the NH incident lays some suspicion on him and the family. I don't suggest that they were involved in her disappearance or that there was something inappropriate going on, but that they deliberately held back information. Maybe they didn't like 'airing their dirty laundry' or something to that effect. One of Fred's first public pleas was for Maura to come home so they can work it out. Sounded more like a guilty conscience than anything else. Since I have the theory that she is alive and well with a new life elsewhere, I am certain that the family, or one of them at least, knows why she may have done that. I find nothing wrong with the fact that Maura and her father shared a single bed motel room or that he did not have the safety latch engaged. What I do find interesting about that situation is that she even went there in the first place. 3am and drunk, driving to dad's motel is not a choice many would make but if we knew what was going on in her life that has not been discussed, it may make a lot more sense.

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BillNH wrote:

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I can honestly say that I have never posted anything that was not truthful (unless it was speculation) I don't believe I made the error on the dates as you say but I am not going to run through the posts and find it. Yes I moved here in January of 2005, yes I have gotten to know the owners of Forcier's house, Yes I said investigators went to their house 3 times over 3 years, the second with different equipment than the first time...all per the owner and the same information was posted on the Maura Murray facebook group. You then had specific questions for them (the type of equipment), that I did speak to the owner about. I have those answers and even sent them to you via Topix messaging. You are not a registered user and cannot retrieve those answers. I did not post them at the request of the owner. Since their posting on the Facebook site they have been continually bothered by people wanting more information. I also discussed Renner and his book with the owner. They have since removed all the posts relating to the specific information they posted in order to not be pestered by members of that group, or Renner. And yes I only travel that road about 5 times a year. I buy my christmas tree out that way, and I do get to Lincoln/Woodstock occasionally. Less frequently these days since my kids no longer play sports against LinWood High School. If I have to go to Concord or other locales south of here I usually travel route 25 to Plymouth to pick up 93, I think it is a better road than 112 and the mileage is nearly identical. My son likes 112 better he commutes to college in Concord a couple days a week so he travels it much more than I do.
So, I do not see what is so suspicious about anything that I have said with the possible exception of mixing up a date in one posting out of several specific to the dates. I am sure you did not like my posting about the words Julie Murray used, I would expect that and it is understandable. I was actually trying to get some discussion started about that but I guess no one is game.
As I read here recently, we are all anonymous posters, and you take everything you read with a grain of salt. You or no one else has any reason to believe a word I say, but I can guaranty that I can prove I am who I say I am , or more specifically who I am not, in a heartbeat.

Yeats wrote:

Or you can believe the State:
Maura was drunk, running away from her Father, and never wanted to see her family or friends again. She chose to move to NH and wanted total privacy.
Do you really think for a micro second that she would run away from Fred? This man is an un-sung hero. Any suggestion to the contrary will meet righteous indignation. We are on Fred side. if you are not, you are not on maura's side.
Someday y'all will wake up and realize that McKay tricked you. it's not that far fetched.

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re Maura being "a child of the child of a cousin" of Citigirl's. To put this in perhaps a more clear perspective, I have a cousin we'll call Joy. I know Joy well, her mother and mine are sisters and Joy and I saw a lot of each other growing up. Joy now has a daughter we'll call Amy. I have not met Amy as years and distance have intervened. Amy has been married and has a daughter we'll call Ann -- I heard about the birth and that's all I really know of Ann.
But if Ann disappeared, I'd care. Not per se because I personally know Ann or even know Ann's mother Amy. But my dear first cousin Joy is Ann's grandmother and Joy is beside herself with fear and grief, for herself and her daughter Amy over Amy's missing child.
Yes, I'd care. Some families are closer than others. I'd do whatever I could to help, and I'd consider myself Family even though I've not personally met Amy or Ann.

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BillNH wrote:

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With the exception of those that are entrenched in local/state/federal/internatio nal conspiracy theories, I think everyone here is on Maura's side. That does not necessarily mean they are on the side of Fred, her family or her friends.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Bill its not about sides. I've read to much to believe or call anything a tragedy before knowing all the facts. I personally think family is keeping some large secrets because they want the public to be sympathetic towards her, so they aren't being forward with the truth.

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It's not about being "close" to care. You miss the point. Its about being close enough to the family to be given any knowledge of the situation. Citigirls relationship with MM is her third cousin or in this case it is more appropriately called "Cousins twice removed".
I'm not saying that citigirl doesn't care, but please don't make it look like she is in the inner circle getting updates from Fred, who may have written her off because she may or may not be even related to Fred.