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According to Det. Columbo the identity of Red Truck Driver is known. Iīm going to assume it was Beagle.
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Can oīworms, alright!
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Fake/rogue cop abducted Maura, and Beagle witnessed it. Since heīs apparently scared out of his wits, Iīm going to assume it was a real, rogue cop.
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Rennerīs latest blog post:
"That fatherīs a psycho", said by someone who "didn't want his name used because he's fearful of retaliation by Fred Murray". Now Iīm going to believe Maura had a blackeye.
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Pulling a Jenky here, talking to myself... The blackeye may have been the reason the ATM video wasnīt realeased to the public, it was an identifier. Only Beagle knew.
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hannah_b wrote:
Pulling a Jenky here, talking to myself... The blackeye may have been the reason the ATM video wasnīt realeased to the public, it was an identifier. Only Beagle knew.
SBD didnt mention a black eye,maybe because it as dark?
Beagle had a red truck and produces a black eye video but proclaims he saw a roque cop with Maura?Was LE searching for the red truck because the operator witnessed something?Or is mr 1974 covering for his own misdeeds?

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hannah_b wrote:
Fake/rogue cop abducted Maura, and Beagle witnessed it. Since heīs apparently scared out of his wits, Iīm going to assume it was a real, rogue cop.
Can we be clear what "scared out of his wits" means? Does posting on an internet forum using your real name when it isn't needed support that theory?
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SBD didnt mention a black eye,maybe because it as dark?
Beagle had a red truck and produces a black eye video but proclaims he saw a roque cop with Maura?Was LE searching for the red truck because the operator witnessed something?Or is mr 1974 covering for his own misdeeds?
Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, he knows.

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That's a pretty strong statement that Columbo said and I just wonder how her could possibly know that as a fact, unless Alden aka Beagle told him.
Logically the only way Alden could know exactly what happened to MM is if he killed her and hid her body. Let's say he saw a cop, McKay for exampe, pick her up, well he would just know that this cop picked her up, he wouldn't know exactly wht happened to her. How could he possibly know what happened after that? If he gave MM a ride somewhere and helped her out, he still wouldn't know exactly what happened to her, she could've sai where she was going but how could he know if she made it there if she was ok anything like that?

And how does columbo//tang KNOW that Alden was up NH that night? DId Alden tell him?

If Alden saw a rogue cop pick her up why the hell hasn't he told the FBI? He would be a witness of major corruption, corruption where a young woman was murdered.

So he hasn't told this to anyone but intead he chose to come online and make up stories that imply MM was running away because she was involved in a hit and run on Vasi? There is something seriously wrong with this picture. WHy is he trying to ddeflect to conversation from murder and make it look like she voluntarily went on the run? Why would he go so far as to make up stories about the cops being 'all over' thr corolla?
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
That's a pretty strong statement that Columbo said and I just wonder how her could possibly know that as a fact, unless Alden aka Beagle told him.
Logically the only way Alden could know exactly what happened to MM is if he killed her and hid her body. Let's say he saw a cop, McKay for exampe, pick her up, well he would just know that this cop picked her up, he wouldn't know exactly wht happened to her. How could he possibly know what happened after that? If he gave MM a ride somewhere and helped her out, he still wouldn't know exactly what happened to her, she could've sai where she was going but how could he know if she made it there if she was ok anything like that?
And how does columbo//tang KNOW that Alden was up NH that night? DId Alden tell him?
If Alden saw a rogue cop pick her up why the hell hasn't he told the FBI? He would be a witness of major corruption, corruption where a young woman was murdered.
So he hasn't told this to anyone but intead he chose to come online and make up stories that imply MM was running away because she was involved in a hit and run on Vasi? There is something seriously wrong with this picture. WHy is he trying to ddeflect to conversation from murder and make it look like she voluntarily went on the run? Why would he go so far as to make up stories about the cops being 'all over' thr corolla?
Iīm trying hard to make sense of Det Columboīs statements and putting Beagleīs postings in light of the formerīs postings. Not sure Iīm successful!
We know (ok, have been told) the red truck driver was idīd by LE. The identity has not been released to the public. We know Beagle has a ski pass close in time and location to when and where MM disappeared. The simplest explanation is Beagle was there at the time. It wouldnīt be that much of a stretch to accept the idea of Beagle passing by at the time of MMīs accident. We (ok, I) have previously had reason to believe there must have been a witness whose identity and statements have not been made public (see previous discussions on this thread). I speculated it was SBD who told LE something in addition to whatīs been made public. Maybe it wasnīt SBD, but Beagle. We know there was a red truck driver present at the time, and that person either abducted MM, gave her a ride or witnessed something (an abduction or her hitching a ride). Which reminds of the sightings of a police vehicle, the #1 Bronco reportedly being seen nose to nose with the Saturn before LE officially arrived. Maybe that would relate to what Beagle possibly may have witnessed. Or he lured MM into his red truck and killed her. Which I donīt really believe at this point. We donīt know what he told LE or PIs. As he may have some kind of psychological issue (Iīm thinking Aspbergerīs, but Iīm no expert), he may possibly have wowen what he saw/knew into an intricate fabric of both fact and fiction. With this said, I would like to say I always appreciate Beagleīs postings and hope he will continue to post to this thread.
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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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Can we be clear what "scared out of his wits" means? Does posting on an internet forum using your real name when it isn't needed support that theory?
As in thinking people are out to get him, vandalizing his property etc. Heīs been posting about this for years. Maybe thereīs some truth to it, maybe not. Iīm not sure his thinking is always rational and logical.

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Like lighthouse above I'm not buying the scared out of his wits thing, his actions are not of someone who is scared at all, those videos, the using his real name, just the posts he's made and attention he's drawn on himself do not indicate him being scared out of his wits in any fashion; actually that's ridiculous.

His actions then and now scream someone who wants attention & is trying to insert himself into this case, as if he needs to be recognized as someone who is important to this case. Now is that because he's just crazy or could it be because he actually is important to this case? Maybe he's pissed that he's not getting credit for something that in his mind is important?

If what Columbo is saying is true about him being in NH then LE needs to take another look at this guy, something is not right. Half the time he's trying to bring attention to himself the other half the time he's trying to make it look like she ran away to avoid LE bc of the Vasi hit & run, even going so far as to make up stories about the cops being all over Fred's Toyota..

I think it's time that Alden answers some of these questions, mainly where did he get that ski ticket and why did he keep it so pristine.

People keep concert stubs & ball game tix but ski tickets? The only old ski tickets I've ever seen are attached to people's jackets & never in good condition. Did he keep that ticket because it held some sort of major significance in his life? What could be so important about the 9th and 10th of feb 04 that would inspire him to do that? Could it be something to do with MM? I doubt he would have kept it back then simply because he saw a girl get a ride from a cop, there must be some sort of bigger significance I would think.
Killers often see their crimes as accomplishments, something they consider important in their sick heads; is that what's happening here?
Is that why he made those videos? Does he think that he's losing importance bc many people started thinking that she just ran away due to her crazy father & other problems?

If he didn't kill her how could he possibly know exactly what happened to her? T
If he did kill her how could Columbo possibly know that he was even up there let alone that he knows exactly what happened to her?

Is Columbo just throwing out more things to stir the pot like he has so many times in the past? He has said a lot of things as fact that all can't possibly be true.
So what the hell is going on here?
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Has columbo ever worked for "the family"?

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
Like lighthouse above I'm not buying the scared out of his wits thing, his actions are not of someone who is scared at all, those videos, the using his real name, just the posts he's made and attention he's drawn on himself do not indicate him being scared out of his wits in any fashion; actually that's ridiculous.
His actions then and now scream someone who wants attention & is trying to insert himself into this case, as if he needs to be recognized as someone who is important to this case. Now is that because he's just crazy or could it be because he actually is important to this case? Maybe he's pissed that he's not getting credit for something that in his mind is important?
If what Columbo is saying is true about him being in NH then LE needs to take another look at this guy, something is not right. Half the time he's trying to bring attention to himself the other half the time he's trying to make it look like she ran away to avoid LE bc of the Vasi hit & run, even going so far as to make up stories about the cops being all over Fred's Toyota..
I think it's time that Alden answers some of these questions, mainly where did he get that ski ticket and why did he keep it so pristine.
People keep concert stubs & ball game tix but ski tickets? The only old ski tickets I've ever seen are attached to people's jackets & never in good condition. Did he keep that ticket because it held some sort of major significance in his life? What could be so important about the 9th and 10th of feb 04 that would inspire him to do that? Could it be something to do with MM? I doubt he would have kept it back then simply because he saw a girl get a ride from a cop, there must be some sort of bigger significance I would think.
Killers often see their crimes as accomplishments, something they consider important in their sick heads; is that what's happening here?
Is that why he made those videos? Does he think that he's losing importance bc many people started thinking that she just ran away due to her crazy father & other problems?
If he didn't kill her how could he possibly know exactly what happened to her? T
If he did kill her how could Columbo possibly know that he was even up there let alone that he knows exactly what happened to her?
Is Columbo just throwing out more things to stir the pot like he has so many times in the past? He has said a lot of things as fact that all can't possibly be true.
So what the hell is going on here?
Jenkins the only difference to what I wrote and you wrote was it took you 1500 extra "characters" to make the point.
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Maybe he didnīt witness an abduction, but a murder?

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findmaura wrote:
Has columbo ever worked for "the family"?
Your thinking what I'm thinking..........refund?

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Hannah- you really think its possible he witnessed her murder???

How can that be? Why isnt someone in jail if we had an eyeball witness to her murder? Where would he have witnessed this there's no way she was killed at the scene?
Why hasnt he come out and said that instead of coming up with insane egg harvesting theories, telling stories about cops being all over had dad's car, his yard being vandalized, and making sick videos that imply he's the killer and taunting the family?

He witnessed this girls murder and instead of telling her family what happened he went on YouTube and posted sick videos implying he killed Maura & laughing about it clearly taunting her family??

Maybe he witnessed someone picking her up, possibly even a rogue cop; but then he still wouldn't know exactly what happened to her & why the hell hasn't he said anything to the cops or the public about it? Maybe he killed her himself; but there's no way in hell he witnessed her murder unless he was the killer; that's just pretty much impossible.
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Hannah- you really think its possible he witnessed her murder???
How can that be? Why isnt someone in jail if we had an eyeball witness to her murder? Where would he have witnessed this there's no way she was killed at the scene?
Why hasnt he come out and said that instead of coming up with insane egg harvesting theories, telling stories about cops being all over had dad's car, his yard being vandalized, and making sick videos that imply he's the killer and taunting the family?
He witnessed this girls murder and instead of telling her family what happened he went on YouTube and posted sick videos implying he killed Maura & laughing about it clearly taunting her family??
Maybe he witnessed someone picking her up, possibly even a rogue cop; but then he still wouldn't know exactly what happened to her & why the hell hasn't he said anything to the cops or the public about it? Maybe he killed her himself; but there's no way in hell he witnessed her murder unless he was the killer; that's just pretty much impossible.
Not sure, but going on Det Columboīs postings, they canīt seem to get him to talk for whatever reason. This recent post by DC is the first time he has implied Beagle actually knows what happened to Maura. Previously he just posted B has information or knows something, but not to what extent. I didnīt personally understand the videos as B implying he killed MM, rather as him implying he knows stuff. I may of course be wrong. I believe that whatever B saw, made a very deep impression and caused his almost decade long obsession with the case and is the reason for him inserting himself into it. I do think the reason he hasnīt came forward as a witness in a "normal" manner is his psychological issues. There is certainly the possibility he really did kill her. I donīt think the Stevens guy (PI) would approach just any guy off the street and ask did you kill MM. I donīt really believe he did, and I certainly hope that isnīt the case.

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My 2 cents:

Beagle/Alden is playing games and Zang is his cheerleader. Beagle witnessed only 2 things. 1)Not much was happening in this forum lately and 2) the resident experts/shit detectors have been absent.

I know I am new here but I have been through thousands of these postings and if he really was a witness to anything he would have been singing his tune long before now. If he witnessed anything and told LE about it, we surely would know it. There is no way LE would not have made public that a witness saw her getting into a vehicle or saw someone harm her, it would have changed the entire course of the investigation. I do believe it is possible beagle followed her up here and killed her himself, then went skiing. He seems crazy enough to do that for sure. Again, my 2 cents only.
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BillNH wrote:
My 2 cents:
Beagle/Alden is playing games and Zang is his cheerleader. Beagle witnessed only 2 things. 1)Not much was happening in this forum lately and 2) the resident experts/shit detectors have been absent.
I know I am new here but I have been through thousands of these postings and if he really was a witness to anything he would have been singing his tune long before now. If he witnessed anything and told LE about it, we surely would know it. There is no way LE would not have made public that a witness saw her getting into a vehicle or saw someone harm her, it would have changed the entire course of the investigation. I do believe it is possible beagle followed her up here and killed her himself, then went skiing. He seems crazy enough to do that for sure. Again, my 2 cents only.
i don't know who originally mentioned the Vasi hit, probably Beagle, but it has consistently been a working sub-theory by this informally gathered group for as many years as i've been present here.

Beagle's mention of the auto body shop's being "all over" the Corolla is also not newly introduced, along with Beagle's accusation that his proptery has been vandalized, and he has been persistently followed by PIs and accused of involement in her disappearance. nothing new.

it is, however, the first time Tang (of various screen name aliases) has been specific and blunt in making a direct accusation against Beagle.

no new information can be confirmed by these claims on either side.
what is Beagle's relationship to Maura's family, if any?
is the muti-monikered Tang a PI? and what is his role in any relationship he may have to MM's family?

finally, Beagle / Alden, with certainty, officially made himself known to the authorities following his youtube spree a year ago. if he is a POI by any admission he has made online or in person, so far, he'd be detained by now.

i don't need backup from BS detectors. just my own opinion.

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