Maura Murray

Second part of the first sentence of my previous post should have read: ...first hand, to fully understand.

Frostman wrote:

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Maura indicated there was a family problem, not a death in the family — from Boston Globe article on Sunday, February 15, 2004:
'Since transferring to the University of Massachusetts, she has been a successful student in the nursing program, said dean Eileen Breslin. "Nursing students are very responsible. That's part of her character," said Breslin.’
'Breslin, UMass's nursing dean, said Murray had e-mailed a professor on Monday indicating she needed to take time off because of a "family problem" and will return to class this week.’
Several news reports here: http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php...

I´m aware that some media outlets have reported the email as referring to a "family problem" or such, but all too many have referred to "death in the family". Nobody ever cared to make a connection, in spite of there being numerous discussions about what Maura could possibly have meant by "death in the family" - her own death as in contemplating suicide, death of an unborn childas in planning an abortion etc - also on the forums moderated by Helena. No correction or clarification ever.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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YES! Thank God!

Job well done!!!

hannah_b wrote:

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You would have had to have followed the case over the years on the many forums and experienced the bullshit thrown at us first hand. My answer to your question would be: Becuase she´s a named source outside of the family.

Was a bad post on my part anyways. I hadn't read Renner's newest when I wrote that. My apologies.

And WHY the secrecy about what art gallery she worked at? We know all about her preferred method of birth control and menstrual cycle, but not where she worked?!

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I can release the full four pages of quotes from maura's supervisor if that is what is wanted, but I am going to throw it (along with my maura murray folder ... yes I have one of those) away and move onto other interests.
I am confident that this case will not be solved.

Orky- Hold up a minute, now you're going to throw away the 4 pages of quotes you got from he supervisor?? Why would you do that instead of posting it?
Something I ddon't get is that a week or 2 ago you wrote that you were getting an interview with her supervisor but you weren't goint to post the info you attain, what's up with that?
SO you were going through all of this effort to try to get interviews but you're not writing a book or article of any kind and you weren't even planning on posting it online? I just don't understand what the purpose of keeping it secret would be.

And are you sure that it was Renner who got her to stop talking? How do you know that?
Ever thought that maybe she came on here and read some of your posts and then decided to stop talkin? Maybe the post where you stated you got an interview with her but weren't going to post it?
Maybe she read your posts here and on WS and decided that you were too biased? It's clearly evident from your posts that you've already decided long ago that you believe she went to NH to committ suicide and every piece of info that is out there you twist to fit into that preconceived theory; well maybe she read your posts and became worried that you would twist what she said to you iinto that theory?
I'm just saying that there could be many reasons that she decided to stop speaking to you and Renner might not be it.
For a journalist you are clearly very biased, from all i've read that you've written you don't really let the facts dictate what you believe but rather you let your beliefs dictate what the facts mean, isn't the first thing they teach you in journalism school to go in with an open mind and let the facts lead you where they may?
I see that you wrote an award winning column in college but the newspapers you now work for don't feel comfortable being online? What newspapers are those? I thought that in this day and age every paper put their stories online, even all the local free papers that I know about put their articles online now, I didn't think any existed that DIDN'T do that anymore. You can't TELL US what papers you work for or have worked for in the last few years?

I'm not trying to bust your balls here orky, I've always liked you and respected your level of research it's just that a lot of things you're saying right now aren't making sense. You're blaming everything on Renner when there's many different reasons that she might not be talking to you now. DId you come ar her with a fake name? That could be a damn good reason. Was she not able to verify that you are a pro journalist? That's a pretty damn good reason too. Did she read your posts and realize that you're very biased and became worried that you were going to twist what she said?

And now you're throwing away the 4 pages of quotes you got from her???? Why the hell won't you post them? WHy did you state that you weren't goig to post them at the beginning? Maybe she read that post and thought what's the point of doing an interview with someone who's just trying to satisfy their own curiosity? That seems lke a pretty big waste of time to me.

And those few quotes that you posted about her staring off and jesturing towards her phone saying 'my sister'; that's nothing new that's been talked about for years. Everything you posted in the last page or two are things that have been known for years.
So why don't you realease the 4 pages before you throw them away? If she's reading this, and has read this and WS, I can see why she stopped the interview and that wouldn't have anything to do with Renner

hannah_b wrote:

And WHY the secrecy about what art gallery she worked at? We know all about her preferred method of birth control and menstrual cycle, but not where she worked?!

I agree.. It really took a lil over 9 years for someone to release the name of the gallery??!!! Forgive the pun but isnt there something wrong with this picture?

hannah_b wrote:

And WHY the secrecy about what art gallery she worked at? We know all about her preferred method of birth control and menstrual cycle, but not where she worked?!

there is at least one person here, or two who may certainly be able to answer this question. it is stale to say "duck", although she recently brought it up again. i'm actually unsure how the term originated.

anyway, she is a walking encyclopedia of articles, details and timelines; she affiliates as one of the Murrays' inner circle, a steady presence, and does not offer to answer certain questions posed time and again, but unfailingly and selectively jumps to steer the historical record toward certain, preferred language and suggested, theoretical outcomes.

carefully crafted.
mysterious.
a nice person, but a puzzling approach.

and she is not alone. the gaggle moved to FB, with skeletal vigilance here.
as i said, puzzling.
what else is hidden from the public?
and WHY?
it is not just advocacy to preserve Murray privacy...it has been an organized campaign. WHY?

hannnah - do you agree or disagree with my observation / opinion above? you've been around as long or longer than i.
is my observation / opinion a fair one?
what do you suppose drives the MM / missing machine?
thanks, in advance, for your consideration.

Snowy wrote:

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there is at least one person here, or two who may certainly be able to answer this question. it is stale to say "duck", although she recently brought it up again. i'm actually unsure how the term originated.
anyway, she is a walking encyclopedia of articles, details and timelines; she affiliates as one of the Murrays' inner circle, a steady presence, and does not offer to answer certain questions posed time and again, but unfailingly and selectively jumps to steer the historical record toward certain, preferred language and suggested, theoretical outcomes.
carefully crafted.
mysterious.
a nice person, but a puzzling approach.
and she is not alone. the gaggle moved to FB, with skeletal vigilance here.
as i said, puzzling.
what else is hidden from the public?
and WHY?
it is not just advocacy to preserve Murray privacy...it has been an organized campaign. WHY?

The conclusion that I have reached may or not be correct but here it is:
We have the family trying to get LE to release info, but they get denied. Family asks for the FBI involvement, but doesn't look like that request will be answered. Of those requests they require third party intervention which can't be controlled. What they can control - teling her past - they don't want to share with you. For whatever reason they don't wish to share that with anyone. Her life being kept secret for nine years has parelleled the outcome of their family member not being found. Any reasonable person should see this relationship exists, whether or not they are tied together doesn't matter.

Snowy wrote:

hannnah - do you agree or disagree with my observation / opinion above? you've been around as long or longer than i.
is my observation / opinion a fair one?
what do you suppose drives the MM / missing machine?
thanks, in advance, for your consideration.

Snowy, your observations are fair and accurate, and I agree to the fullest extent. As to what is/has been driving the MM missing machine (very accurate choice of words!) I really don´t know. It has been clear from the very beginning being a believer in the Murray cult and not questioning what the leadership deems right, is way more important than finding MM. I say somebody has something to hide, something that is not just embarassing, but truly damaging to those concerned. There have been so many missing cases where family has not feared stating in media or online forums their missing loved one was a drug addict or a prostitute, but we love her, please help find her. I´m not suggesting MM was a drug addict or a prostitute, just making a comparison between families behavior.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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The conclusion that I have reached may or not be correct but here it is:
We have the family trying to get LE to release info, but they get denied. Family asks for the FBI involvement, but doesn't look like that request will be answered. Of those requests they require third party intervention which can't be controlled. What they can control - teling her past - they don't want to share with you. For whatever reason they don't wish to share that with anyone. Her life being kept secret for nine years has parelleled the outcome of their family member not being found. Any reasonable person should see this relationship exists, whether or not they are tied together doesn't matter.

"For whatever reason they don't wish to share that with anyone. Her life being kept secret for nine years has parelleled the outcome of their family member not being found."

and so it is.

except, and this harkens back to nearly day one, "The All American Girl" was unnecessarily applied, along with uber-vicious-protection and denial that anything matters prior to the resting spot for the Saturn in NH.
i note Whiston's persistent appeal for information about Maura's circumstances at UMASS prior to her disappearance for as long as i can remember.

questions about dates of transfer from WP to UMASS, the status of her credits / matriculation /clinicals...easily answered, were tossed around without resolution. for years.

i guess leaving these established venues open for family surveillance and hyper-vigilance is, presumably, intended to snag the "dirtbag".

hannah_b wrote:

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Snowy, your observations are fair and accurate, and I agree to the fullest extent. As to what is/has been driving the MM missing machine (very accurate choice of words!) I really don´t know. It has been clear from the very beginning being a believer in the Murray cult and not questioning what the leadership deems right, is way more important than finding MM. I say somebody has something to hide, something that is not just embarassing, but truly damaging to those concerned. There have been so many missing cases where family has not feared stating in media or online forums their missing loved one was a drug addict or a prostitute, but we love her, please help find her. I´m not suggesting MM was a drug addict or a prostitute, just making a comparison between families behavior.

Amen

I remember Whiston being kicked off the MMM forum for asking too many questions. Maybe he believed the purpose of the forum was finding her, but it was seemingly really meant as a shrine to the All American Girl and an altar to the Murray cult. Several other posters were scolded for asking questions. Then there was the Time Out Tent, complete with a bartender... People where so often punished for asking questions it became a joke even amongst themselves. Sickening, I say! I quickly realized I wouldn´t be welcome on that forum, so I refrained from posting and just read along.

hannah_b wrote:

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Snowy, your observations are fair and accurate, and I agree to the fullest extent. As to what is/has been driving the MM missing machine (very accurate choice of words!) I really don´t know. It has been clear from the very beginning being a believer in the Murray cult and not questioning what the leadership deems right, is way more important than finding MM. I say somebody has something to hide, something that is not just embarassing, but truly damaging to those concerned. There have been so many missing cases where family has not feared stating in media or online forums their missing loved one was a drug addict or a prostitute, but we love her, please help find her. I´m not suggesting MM was a drug addict or a prostitute, just making a comparison between families behavior.

If giving more information would lead to the end results of MM being found, but instead they keep quiet than what you say may be true.

mcsmom wrote:

It will be interesting to find out if the red truck owner had ties to a car rental agency.

do you think its a possibility or do you know this as a fact. Im asking for a specific reason which I will not post.

hannah_b wrote:

I remember Whiston being kicked off the MMM forum for asking too many questions. Maybe he believed the purpose of the forum was finding her, but it was seemingly really meant as a shrine to the All American Girl and an altar to the Murray cult. Several other posters were scolded for asking questions. Then there was the Time Out Tent, complete with a bartender... People where so often punished for asking questions it became a joke even amongst themselves. Sickening, I say! I quickly realized I wouldn´t be welcome on that forum, so I refrained from posting and just read along.

well said.
your experience predates my mind, but others have witnessed and testified to this method of managing the "finding" of Maura Murray.
cult is the operative word.
it is the mystery overshadowing the mystery.
the newer people may not understand how this history has shaped the conversation for over 10 years.
it is bizarre.

correction....

your experience predates mine....

Are you people for real? You're actually talking as if you had all of her personal info years ago this case would've been solved.

So now you guys are saying that you think YOU would be able to solve this case if only the family released all her info early on? Are you actually reading what you're writing or just stringing words together and hoping for the best? I just find it very surprising to hear you guys talk like this after all your critisisms of people for thinking they're gonna 'solve the case'

The bottom line is this- The FBI and the NHSP was provided all the info you're talking about at the start. The FBI handled the Mass side of the case at the beginning, meaning that they knew what gallery she worked at, they spoke to all of her friends and family, etc, etc.
What makes you people think that YOU would've been able to solve this case that the FBI couldn't?

In reality it makes sense that the family wouldn't want some of this info known to the public, all you people REALLY just want to know this stuff to satisfy your own morbid curiosity, not to solve the case. The family provided all of this info to the FBI and the NHSP, that's good enough. Do the REALLY have to give it to a bunch of people online too that have no skills or resources to actually solve this case?
If the FBI couldn't find a connection between what was going on in mass and her dissapearance then what makes you guys think you can? or Renner can? It's not happening. After the FBI finished interviewing her friends and family down in mass it became pretty clear that the answer to what happened to her probably doesn't reside in what happened in mass but rather in NH an what happened AFTER the crash, that's the only thing that makes sense.

THink about it- now that the name of the gallery where she worked is known what the hell are you guys going to do with it? NOW you guys can solve the case?

While I do agree that the family should have probably released any and all info about her it's still their right to NOT release it all just to satisfy the morbid curiosity of some random people online. How EXACTLY is that going to help solve the case?

The NHLI also looked into the case, they went to mass and interviewed all her friends and family. THey have specifically stated that there is nothing to indicate that anyhting in mass is going to solve this case, nothing they have uncovered has led them anywhere far away from the crash site, they believe the answer lies in NH and what happened AFTER the crash.

So we got the FBI, the NHSP, and a group of retired LE that haven't been able to solve the case, and they've had access to ALL the info you guys want and had it right when it was a fresh case. They also say there's nothing in mass that indicates there's any connection to her dissapearance. But NOW, 9 years later you Internet sleuthers are gonna solve the case now that you know the name of her art gallery?? Lol come on!

I find this particularly hilarious after all your shit talking about people thinkin they're gonna solve the case online...hypocritcal much?!

Jenkins wrote:

Are you people for real? You're actually talking as if you had all of her personal info years ago this case would've been solved.
So now you guys are saying that you think YOU would be able to solve this case if only the family released all her info early on? Are you actually reading what you're writing or just stringing words together and hoping for the best? I just find it very surprising to hear you guys talk like this after all your critisisms of people for thinking they're gonna 'solve the case'
The bottom line is this- The FBI and the NHSP was provided all the info you're talking about at the start. The FBI handled the Mass side of the case at the beginning, meaning that they knew what gallery she worked at, they spoke to all of her friends and family, etc, etc.
What makes you people think that YOU would've been able to solve this case that the FBI couldn't?
In reality it makes sense that the family wouldn't want some of this info known to the public, all you people REALLY just want to know this stuff to satisfy your own morbid curiosity, not to solve the case. The family provided all of this info to the FBI and the NHSP, that's good enough. Do the REALLY have to give it to a bunch of people online too that have no skills or resources to actually solve this case?
If the FBI couldn't find a connection between what was going on in mass and her dissapearance then what makes you guys think you can? or Renner can? It's not happening. After the FBI finished interviewing her friends and family down in mass it became pretty clear that the answer to what happened to her probably doesn't reside in what happened in mass but rather in NH an what happened AFTER the crash, that's the only thing that makes sense.
THink about it- now that the name of the gallery where she worked is known what the hell are you guys going to do with it? NOW you guys can solve the case?
While I do agree that the family should have probably released any and all info about her it's still their right to NOT release it all just to satisfy the morbid curiosity of some random people online. How EXACTLY is that going to help solve the case?
The NHLI also looked into the case, they went to mass and interviewed all her friends and family. THey have specifically stated that there is nothing to indicate that anyhting in mass is going to solve this case, nothing they have uncovered has led them anywhere far away from the crash site, they believe the answer lies in NH and what happened AFTER the crash.
So we got the FBI, the NHSP, and a group of retired LE that haven't been able to solve the case, and they've had access to ALL the info you guys want and had it right when it was a fresh case. They also say there's nothing in mass that indicates there's any connection to her dissapearance. But NOW, 9 years later you Internet sleuthers are gonna solve the case now that you know the name of her art gallery?? Lol come on!
I find this particularly hilarious after all your shit talking about people thinkin they're gonna solve the case online...hypocritcal much?!

Recent events in Boston is a perfect example of what giving the public the right information can do.

I also have never seen any indication on the part of any LE organization that they were ever given the information being discussed here today. I do recall seeing written proof of NHSP being frustrated by Fred's insistence that nothing prior to NH matters and in turn seeing Fred criticize NHLE for hanging onto the suicide theory despite it being the first thing out of Fred's mouth. Our morbid curiosity is on par with all LE involved. If you can show me where LE stated that they ever felt MM's family was freely forthcoming with information I and everyone else would be happy to see it.