Maura Murray

Advocate wrote:

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Valid point.
There are generally two schools of thought about what happened to Maura. On the one hand, there is evidence that suggests she ran away from her life (packed up dorm room, not telling anyone where she was going, her disappearance within a short window of time and the fact there's been no contact for these many years). The possibility of suicide is in this grouping.
On the other hand, there is evidence that suggests she was abducted (her disappearance within a short window of time and the fact there's been no contact for these many years).
Apparently her father's first "take" was that she might have gone to the White Mtns area to commit suicide. For him to say something like that, he had to have some reason for it to come to mind. But I think that, likewise, whatever he knew about Maura's life that he felt could have caused her to consider/commit suicide, could also have been the impetus to cause her to run away from her life to something she perceived as "better".
As has been pointed out in the past, the family's initial response was to ask Maura to come home, NOT to ask a potential abductor to "let her come home."
For these reasons, events of her general family connections and life before she left UMASS are potentially vitally important. It really is of value to know her state of mind at the time. I can't say whether her father "switched" to the belief she had been abducted so as to stimulate LE to a greater effort -- if he did, it's understandable. But if events of her life before Rt. 112 would tend to point to her CHOOSING to run away, this would be an important consideration for both LE and the public. And no, I couldn't in good faith urge the FBI to look for her without having a stronger opinion that she had been abducted.

well said; agree.

Advocate wrote:

As has been pointed out in the past, the family's initial response was to ask Maura to come home, NOT to ask a potential abductor to "let her come home."

Yes, and lets not forget that family is now certain of foul play. Not once have I ever heard that she could have been kidnapped and living in someone's basement as a hostage. If they say "foul play" without evidence than who's to say she isn't alive in a basement? Who can't call into question that telling more people the truth may help her be found? She could be living unknown horrors everyday, but it seems the family doesn't want to try something new.

Advocate wrote:

And no, I couldn't in good faith urge the FBI to look for her without having a stronger opinion that she had been abducted.

Yes and lets also keep in mind that very strong recommendations had to be issued to both daughters to attend WP. You would think that those recommendations could carry weight in requests to the FBI.

Jenkins wrote:

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Actually the FBI DOES know what she was doing in the days before she left, they investigated in mass immediately following her dissapearance. How could they NOT know?
They investigated & determined this wasn't an interstate kidnapping so it's not a federal crime. Meaning that what happened to her happened to her in NH & the Nh authorities are the investigative agency, unless they are invited in to help. They offered to help in NH as well but the NHSP refused
But to say that they don't know what she was doing in the days before she left is just wrong, what else was the FBI doing down in mass when they were investigating the case?

Maybe if you read my post again without being in such a rush to write and read your own babble you can see the the point that I was trying to make. Never did I make any mention of what the FBI knows.

I don't write this post to you hoping you'll understand what I'm trying to say because you won't get it. You never do, but I write this so people who do pay attention won't think I stated what the FBI knows.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Yes and lets also keep in mind that very strong recommendations had to be issued to both daughters to attend WP. You would think that those recommendations could carry weight in requests to the FBI.

EXACTLY!

If we believe in West Point, we believe in their selection of her.

If what NH thinks they know about her should overrule what America knows about her, this would be absurd.

There is no way in hell, Maura would choose to be in New Hampshire away from her family. This is why I believe she was set up. The occurance in NH at 116 and 112 was outside her charachter profile, entirely.

Actially lighthouse I understood perfectly well what you said, I think it's you not understanding what I said.

The FBI already knows the details surrounding the days before she went missing, they conducted the investigation in mass immediately following her dissapearance.

You want her family to release more info to the public to satisfy YOUR curiosity, and others as well. This will NOT help solve the case, are you an investigator? Do you have any resources to help solve a case? No.
The FBI has that information and deemed it a dead end years ago.

Bottom line is all you people just want this info to satisfy your own morbid curiosity with this case. Knowing what gallery she worked at, who she was partying with is not going to help solve the case, only satisfy your curiosity.

The family hasn't released everything about her hit they've release more than enough to the public if you think about it, they're under no obligation to release more just to satisfy people's curiosity.

You people need to be honest with yourselves, you want this info because you're curious about it, not because it's going to help solve this case. You people aren't investigators, you're people commenting online. All this info was given to the FBI 9 years ago, and a hell of a lot more too, and they couldn't do anything with it. What makes you people think that you'll be able to solve this case that the FBI couldn't, If only you had more info?
That's laughable, funniest part is after all you guys talking shit about people for thinking they're goin to solve this on topix, now you're all talking like you'll b able to solve it, If only you had more info about what happened in Amherst.

Nothing in Amherst is goin to solve this case, that's only going to tell why she went to NH in the first place, but that's not gonna help figure out who abducted her.
Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but IMO its pretty obvious that if there was a connection between the events in mass and her dissapearance, the FBI would've figured that out 9 years ago. But hey, what do I know.

BSG knew the Saturn had sustained body damage to the hood area before it left Amherst. Who else knew?

Jenkins wrote:

Actially lighthouse I understood perfectly well what you said, I think it's you not understanding what I said.
The FBI already knows the details surrounding the days before she went missing, they conducted the investigation in mass immediately following her dissapearance.
You want her family to release more info to the public to satisfy YOUR curiosity, and others as well. This will NOT help solve the case, are you an investigator? Do you have any resources to help solve a case? No.
The FBI has that information and deemed it a dead end years ago.
Bottom line is all you people just want this info to satisfy your own morbid curiosity with this case. Knowing what gallery she worked at, who she was partying with is not going to help solve the case, only satisfy your curiosity.
The family hasn't released everything about her hit they've release more than enough to the public if you think about it, they're under no obligation to release more just to satisfy people's curiosity.
You people need to be honest with yourselves, you want this info because you're curious about it, not because it's going to help solve this case. You people aren't investigators, you're people commenting online. All this info was given to the FBI 9 years ago, and a hell of a lot more too, and they couldn't do anything with it. What makes you people think that you'll be able to solve this case that the FBI couldn't, If only you had more info?
That's laughable, funniest part is after all you guys talking shit about people for thinking they're goin to solve this on topix, now you're all talking like you'll b able to solve it, If only you had more info about what happened in Amherst.
Nothing in Amherst is goin to solve this case, that's only going to tell why she went to NH in the first place, but that's not gonna help figure out who abducted her.
Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but IMO its pretty obvious that if there was a connection between the events in mass and her dissapearance, the FBI would've figured that out 9 years ago. But hey, what do I know.

Still missed the point. More words than your last post, but the point was still missed. maybe if you doubledown on the word count you will make yourself right.

Jenkins wrote:

You want her family to release more info to the public to satisfy YOUR curiosity, and others as well. This will NOT help solve the case, are you an investigator? Do you have any resources to help solve a case? No.

Jenkins - ha ha your funny. You are the master of inductive reasoning. Just because you don't have any of the above attributes to help don't assume that everyone else doesn't.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - ha ha your funny. You are the master of inductive reasoning. Just because you don't have any of the above attributes to help don't assume that everyone else doesn't.

Wow lighthouse you're real piece of work, are you for real? Now you're saying what? THat there are people on topix that can solve this case if only they had enough of her background info? You can't be serious, you just can't be.

This is coming from the same person/people that have bee talking shit for years about people thinking that they're going to solve this case online; nd now they're making it out like they can. What a joke, you and you're group of angry trolls are just a joke at this point.

What I can't figure out is if you're truly this illogical or if you just HAVE to disagree with everything anyone who thinks she got abducted has to say, every time. I tend to think it's a little of both. The majority of the time you're logic is just so ass-backwards it's funny, and then some of the time it's just blatantly obvious that you're saying what you're saying just to be argumentative.

My favorite is when you go and google some big word/term that you OBVIOUSLY don't understand and try to use it to make a point, it's absolutely hilarious.

So now that you know the name of the gallery that she worked at you've got a lead on the case right?
How close are you to solving the case?

LOL, I'm sorry but nobody on topix has the resources or info to solve this case, especially considering that the FBI couldn't solve it when it was still fresh.
You are completely ridiculous, sorry to tell you but about 95% of the time you have no CLUE what you're even talking about, I would swear that you're just stringing words together and hoping for the best, but maybe it makes sense in your whacked out mind, idk

Alden H Olson wrote:

BSG knew the Saturn had sustained body damage to the hood area before it left Amherst. Who else knew?

If Maura drove the Saturn to Haverhill, that's one person who would definitely have known that the Saturn was damaged before it left Amherst.

Jenkins wrote:

They (The FBI) offered to help in NH as well but the NHSP refused

This is completely untrue. It further demonstrates your complete lack of understanding about how things work in the world of police work and criminal investigations.

You know so little it is no wonder 98% of what you say is utter ridiculousness.

Jenkins wrote:

My favorite is when you go and google some big word/term that you OBVIOUSLY don't understand and try to use it to make a point, it's absolutely hilarious.

I didn't know it was that obvious. I spend hours and hours looking on the internet writing down words, and I wait in the forum like a leopard in the dark and then when I see my chance I pounce. I throw the "big word" out to try and make my point.

I love how you call it a "big word". Let me blow your mind this morning. SQ3R method. You should try it, this way you can reread my posts and understand the point I was making.

You still missed the point of my post. You have written about 1000-1500 words and still have not grasped the simple point that I have made.

Alden H Olson wrote:

BSG knew the Saturn had sustained body damage to the hood area before it left Amherst. Who else knew?

yes, she would know.
i was absolutely serious about someone eleae vwrifying / interviewing the BSG, since no one seems to believe you.

FrmLE wrote:

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This is completely untrue. It further demonstrates your complete lack of understanding about how things work in the world of police work and criminal investigations.
You know so little it is no wonder 98% of what you say is utter ridiculousness.

thank you for refuting this information; it has been unverified, but parroted for YEARS!

FrmLE wrote:

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This is completely untrue. It further demonstrates your complete lack of understanding about how things work in the world of police work and criminal investigations.
You know so little it is no wonder 98% of what you say is utter ridiculousness.

How does it work? And specifically how did it apply in MM's case? What Jenks stated was how it was reported to the general public so I am curious. On the same line....is what Julie is asking, for the public to request FBI intervention, even possible/legal?

FrmLE wrote:

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This is completely untrue. It further demonstrates your complete lack of understanding about how things work in the world of police work and criminal investigations.
You know so little it is no wonder 98% of what you say is utter ridiculousness.

How could you possibly NOT knot ahat? It's obviously true. I would dig up the quote but I don't see a need considering it's common knowledge amongst anyone who's actually followed this case.

You really DON'T know that or are you spreading misinformation intentionally?

I find it rather interesting that you claim to be ex NHSP but yet you constantly state things that directly contradict what the REAL cops who actually worked this case for the NHSP have said about it on record.
So we got some random anonymous person on the internet who CLAIMS to be ex NHSP and his info almost always contradicts what the real NHSP has stated on record. Why should anyone believe ANYTHING you have to say over the real cops who've spoken on record?

Can't believe everything you read on the internet

Jenkins wrote:

You really DON'T know that or are you spreading misinformation intentionally?

The only thing FRMLE has been wrong about is when he wrote 98% of the stuff you write is wrong. He was being very generous with that statement.

Snowy wrote:

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thank you for refuting this information; it has been unverified, but parroted for YEARS!

Wow snowy- you believe everything that's on the internet? Do you also believe that shape-shifting reptilian aliens control the world too? I mean, some guy on the internet wrote it so it must be true right?

This isn't info that is up for debate, it's not info that's been introduced on a forum by some anonymous person like FrmLE is doing, this is into that has been in the MEDIA for years. It's a common known fact that the FBI offered up their help to the NHSP and the NHSP refused the help. I can see why they refused it, there isn't much that the FBI can do that the NHSP can't in a case like this, the NHSP has the resources and ability to investigate something like this but it is a fact that they refused the help.

If you're going to choos to believe some anonymous person on the inernet over multiple media sources that's your choise to do so, but it speaks pretty strongly to what kind of person you are and how reliable anything you say is.
I don't even see how this is possibly even up for debate..

Jenkins wrote:

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Wow snowy- you believe everything that's on the internet? Do you also believe that shape-shifting reptilian aliens control the world too? I mean, some guy on the internet wrote it so it must be true right?
This isn't info that is up for debate, it's not info that's been introduced on a forum by some anonymous person like FrmLE is doing, this is into that has been in the MEDIA for years. It's a common known fact that the FBI offered up their help to the NHSP and the NHSP refused the help. I can see why they refused it, there isn't much that the FBI can do that the NHSP can't in a case like this, the NHSP has the resources and ability to investigate something like this but it is a fact that they refused the help.
If you're going to choos to believe some anonymous person on the inernet over multiple media sources that's your choise to do so, but it speaks pretty strongly to what kind of person you are and how reliable anything you say is.
I don't even see how this is possibly even up for debate..

can you produce an irrefutable, authentic OFFICIAL source whereby someone other than the family complaining to the media verifies the reason the FBI has not looked at this now cold case since the early days of the investigation?

or will someone else do rhe legwork for you?
either way, it will be appreciated to put this thing to rest.