Maura Murray

Tonto Tarzan wrote:

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Tonto say: Her words true because computer say so.
Computer. Always. True.
Topix is only on computer.
Topix always true.

Citigirl say: Its up to the posters as to what they want to believe. Citigirl say: No talk to Renner only investigatoers.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Inaccurate entirety. 2 seperate trucks.

I would not say that that makes the entire post incorrect. There is a lot of information posted about one of them, if there were 2. So is the information about 1 of the trucks correct? and if not, what is the correct information? It is very frustrating that you feel the urge to make a claim of "false" but then fail to supply any information to support it.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Citigirl say: Its up to the posters as to what they want to believe. Citigirl say: No talk to Renner only investigatoers.

citigirl made a funny! Awesome!

BillNH wrote:

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I would not say that that makes the entire post incorrect. There is a lot of information posted about one of them, if there were 2. So is the information about 1 of the trucks correct? and if not, what is the correct information? It is very frustrating that you feel the urge to make a claim of "false" but then fail to supply any information to support it.

I have done my best to keep the facts straight.I dont know whether or not these vehicles had anything to do with Mauras disappearence.If I fail to give some information or answer questions on a forum its because Iam being cautious due to the fact its an ongoing investigation. I do not want to jeopardize this case. You have nothing to lose I do. Maura is a missing family member and we want her found.

hannah_b wrote:

So no red truck on BHR? No driver outside? Would anyone gain from having people believe there was a red truck there at the time? Making people believe it was connected to MM disappearance?

I'm not betting any money on it.I didn't believe it back then and I don't believe it now. Everyone is free to believe whatever they want though.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Wowzer it was BHR. Sorry I dont recall the exact location though. What I was told by a witness concerning the woman walking the dog was in a different location. Hopefully you will understand that I do not want to put the exact location down concerning this woman.

I respect that you don't make public people's names or locations.

So are we to understand there were 2 red trucks? One seen by RO and the other on/other suitable preposition Longfellow rd?

[QUOTE who="James Renner"
As to Ordway. I talked to her over a year ago. I'm trying to figure out how best to handle identity there. But thanks for the concern.
[/QUOTE]. Didn't happen. You're being less than truthful. What a surprise!!

Fish much wrote:

<quoted text>. Didn't happen. You're being less than truthful. What a surprise!!

Renners blog- April 18,2013. About that Red truck. "One of the rumors circling Mauras disappearance is about a "red truck" I didnt put much stock into this one. I thought it might have been something made up by a psychic on topix." Well if he talked to RO over a year ago why is he just posting this now? I agree with you Fish much.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Citigirl say: Its up to the posters as to what they want to believe. Citigirl say: No talk to Renner only investigatoers.

LOL!!!

Thanks for my first real laugh of the day.

:)

hannah_b wrote:

Everybody should also check out the updated version of Renner´s blog post about Kathleen and her doings in VT. I wouldn´t be too surprised if Maura was in deeper doo doo than we know.

Hold up a second here- So Maura's older sister gets busted growing a few pot plants in her back yard 7 YEARS after Maura went missing and you use this to make an assumption that you think she may have been in deeper doo doo than we know?? LOL, what from that fact possibly makes you think that? It was her sister and it was 7 years after she went missing. Not to mention that it was a few pot plants. How do I know it was a few pot plants? Because it was a MISDEMEANOR cultivation charge and they didn't say how many plants it was. If it was more than just a couple, like 5 or something, they wouldn've hit her with felony charges like distribution, attempt to distribute, something along those liines. After finding those plants in the back yard they obviously would have had probable cause to conduct a search of the house as well and they didn't find anything else, like scales or baggies or large sums of cash or pot or nothing, if they did then she would've had felony attempt to distribute charges or something of the like, no doubt about it. Cops always go for the biggest charges they can, even if they know they probably can't convict on the charges. The fact that she got a misdemeanor cultivatiion charge shows that this was a VERY minor thing, like a few plants in her back yard max, not some major growing operation to make money off of.

These last posts by Renner have really made me lost a lot of respect for the guy. Read that post-'her sister was running with some really dangerous people in VT' LOL, how the hell does he know that? Because her EX HUSBAND TC told him that? What makes these people dangerous? THey hade a couple POT PLANTS growing in their back yard, not a meth lab in their garage. What a joke that post is. Obviously if the guy got arrested for domestic assault then he's not exactly a great guy but to say that she got in with some really dangerous people is complete sensationalist journalism, very shoddy work on his part. Basically he's taking the word of her ex husband, who probably has some bad blood with kathleen and her new BF.

And tim carpenter blew a .352?!?!?!!!!! Holy shit, that's probably the highest BAL i've ever even heard of, that's insane. I would propose that in reality TC is more of a danger to society than some guy who grew a few pot plants in his back yard!! come on people. Her new bf can't be a great guy if he got arrested for domestic abuse but I seriously doubt she was running with 'very dangerous people' as Renner claims on his blog but offers up absolutely not proof of this statement, which to me looks like complete sensationalism. If the guy was growing a few plants in his back yard, and had no evidence of even dealing weed then what makes him 'very dangerous'. What even makes renner think she was running with dangerous people, bc they had a few pot plants? SInce when is that dangerous? That post is just sooooo stupid!! Sounds like a hippy that got a in a fight with his GF to me, not a dangerous person.

And btw- What the hell does that have ANYTHING to do with Maura's dissapearance? It was 7 YEARS later; it has nothing to do with it at all. This is just completely shoddy jourmalism on the part of Renner and he should be ashamed. He's taking the word of this girl's ex husband,, a guy who drinks enough to blow a .352 and drives around, now THAT'S a VERY dangerous person, he's lucky he didn't kill someone, he really is. Renner really needs to consider the source of his info before he posts it on his blog as gospel.

One thing is becoming abundantly clear- this guy is NOT any closer to finding out what happened to Maura, he's one step closer to writing a tabloid about her family.

Does that blog post not sound like high school kinda shit to anyone else?
Kathleen's ex saying oh she's running with some 'very dangerous people now' because they got busted with a few pot plants in their back yard!! oh no!!

It just seems completely ridiculous and unprofessional to take the word of her ex for anything regarding what she's doing now.
And it also just sounds more like high school gossip than any sort of legitmate attempt to find maura. I'm sorry but that has nothng to do with the search for maura murray and has everything to do with writing a book that's really looking like it's not gonna be much more than a gossip filled tabloid about her family in the form of a book.

And then the latest one-'a plea to maura's family to come clean' LOL. Come clean to who, to Renner? Why do they need to 'come clean' to some guy who's writing a book that's little more than a tabloid article about stupid crap they've done that pretty much would be found if you dig hard enough into half the families in the country. He's found NOTHING ground breaking or serious. He's found out that Maura got busted for using a stolen CC to order pizza 'oh no!! call the feds in on this one!! LOL, he found that her sister got busted for growing a few pot plants in her back yard. He's found jack shit.

And then he completely writes off RO's account about the red truck that was in the right spot at the right time right when maura was on the side of the road???? Is this guy for real?? He thought it was dreamed up by one of the 'topix phsychics' LOL, what the hell does that even mean? It's a legitmate witness account of a truck that was in the right spot at the right time and was looking for a SPECIFIC person who they expected to be on foot. RO was a very reliable witness. and now he's saying that he interviewed RO a year ago?? I think he's actually lying about that, if he intereviewed her then why did he say he thought it was dreamer up by a topix psychic in the first post about it? WHy did he say he thought her name was really robinson ordway and then change it to robin ordway before finally changing it to someone who used the monniker robinson ordway?
Also he showed nothing to show that the red truck he is talking about is THE red truck and from what I can tell I would put money down that it's NOT the red truck. So far it looks like it's not THE red truck..
He's starting to show his bias big time, he thinks that her family helped her run away, a theory that frankly is completely stupid, and he's trying to find facts that help support that theory and that theory alone. At this point it's a stretch to call him an investigative journalist, i think tabloid journalist is a more apt description.

Why should the family come clean to this tabloid journalist?? They've given their info to LE, who are conucting a REAL investigation into what happened to her, which is likely a violent crime. The FBI interviewed all of her friends and family in mass in the weeks following her dissapearance. Anyone who thinks that Renner is going to solve this case 9 years later going on a fraction of the info that the FBI and the NHSP have needs to have their head examined, and not just by one doctor. They need a team, watching them, and studying them, kind of like the elephant man. lol .

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Renners blog- April 18,2013. About that Red truck. "One of the rumors circling Mauras disappearance is about a "red truck" I didnt put much stock into this one. I thought it might have been something made up by a psychic on topix." Well if he talked to RO over a year ago why is he just posting this now? I agree with you Fish much.

I agree as well, what he said just makes no sense. Not only why is he only bringing it up now after talking to Rick Graves, why is he saying that he thought it was something made up by some 'topix psychics'?? How does that make any sense at all?
If he actually spoke to RO like I have he would've known that this red truck was NOT something just made up by someone on topix, did RO ever even post on topix? SHe posted about it back on the MMM forum before anyone even posted on topix about this case. She was a very reliable witness and remembered a lot of details and certainly wasn't making anything up regarding the truck. I think it's pretty clear that he is talking about a different red truck, most likely the red truck that was spotted on BHR,, and judgin from what is said about that then I believe there were two seperate red trucks. And also if the red truck he was talking about was parked up on top of BHR with its door open then it likely doesn't have anything to do with her dissapearance, although it's still interesting that someone thought that whatever it was doing was suspicious enough to take down the tag number. I wonder if LE ever tracked down those two people who's names Renner posted on his blog the other day.

IMO Renner showed his clear bias when he said at the start of the post 'I never put much stock in it and though it was made up by one of he topix psychics'. That's not how you're supposed to conduct an investigation. Why did he think it was just a rumor made up on topix? Did he really never go back and find out anything about RO's posts about the truck and how reliable they were and how good of a description she gave? The truck may or may not have anything to do with her disappearance but one thing is certainly clear, it was NOT just a rumor, not at all, it definitely existed, it was definitely there that night at the right time and place and it was definitely looking for someone specific that it either expected to be walking down the road, or thought might be walking down the road.

I think that you're correct about it being two different trucks just based on what I know, it seems like you know a lot more about it than I do and certainly a hell of a lot more about it than Renner does.

He's really gone downhill in his postings lately, even his posts on here earlier about the posters on reddit helping the boston investigation. They didn't do anything except make a few innocent people fear for their lives. I saw the pictures that they posted of their 'POI'S'; and they picked out a few people that had bags that looked heavy, including military people, but I didn't see any pics of the real bombers until the pics were released by the FBI after they scoured through terrabytes of pix and videos.. So basically he was praising these completely irresponsible people on reddit that fingere a bunch of innocent people and completely missed the real bombers, year GREAT job guys. ridiculous

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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It's pitch black on BHR and quite a stretch of it there are no houses till you get to the top. No woman is going to walk her dog with no streetlights in the dark.

Hold up wowzer-- you wrote 'no woman is going to walk her dog with no streetlights in the dark'

Why not??? ever heard of a flashlight? Many women take their dogs out for walks at night in NH, they use flashlights or reflective clothing to be seen by passing cars.

Or are you saying that no woman is going to walk alone in the dark because of fear of being abducted? THat's what it sounds like you are saying here.

So what is it? That area is so safe that theres no way Maura was abducted or is it dangerous for a woman to walk alone at night? Why do so many of your posts contradict each other? What about about a month ago when you said that you don't think she was abducted because you know so many women that go jogging and walking their dogs by themselves even at night? Now you don't know any woman who would walk a dog by herself at night?
It's kind of like the time when you said that you would never ever take a ride from a stranger if you were stranded out on the road because it's so dangerous, while yet at the same time you say that you think there's no way Maura got abducted? How does it not make sense that she might have been abducted by someone she took a ride from if you yourself say that it's so dangerous to take a ride from a stranger that you would never do it?

And also you''re sayng that no woman would walk her dog alone on a pitch black road right? But you thinking that Maura, this young woman who's only 21, I won't call her a girl i know how bad that pisses off people around here, even thought most people refer to 21 yr old femailes as girls but whatevs, you think that this 21 yr old young woman is going to walk all by herself, without even a dog in the pitch black and actually walk into the woods by herself??

See what i'm saying here? you constantly contradict yourself,, now no woman is goin to walk her dog by herself at night? yet you think that Maura is going to walk all by herself in the pitch black up 112 and/or straight into the woods? Come on, make up your mind.

I think you should admit that it makes no sense that she would've walked by herself up 112 or into the woods, what young woman is going to do that? SO therefore she most likely caught a ride from a stranger, like the NHSP, her family and even the SBD thinks that she did. And you yourself said that taking a ride from a stranger is extremely dangerous because of the chances of being abducted.

I'm sorry but the most logical and simple answer to what happened to her that night is that she caught a ride and just happened to catch a ride from the wrong person who killed her, same thing that's happened to many other women in the same area over the years who were stuck out on the road all by themselves.

I find it amusing that Renner constantly refers to 'conspiracy theories' surrounin her dissapearance, well her being abducted is one thing that is NOT a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory is that she ran away to start a new life with her family's help, like he is suggesting. Not THAT is a a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

13000 characters of criticism but can't get the facts straight about a blog post of 3 short paragraphs.

Kathleen blew the .352, it was the only name in the article... SMH...

Oh damn you're totally right bill, idk how I screwed that one up, I guess I forgot that her name was carpenter as well.
That was a stupid mistake but it still doesn't change the point of my post, that renner is taking the word of her EX husband when he said that she started hanging with 'very dangerous people', which he offers up absolutely nothing that indicates she actually was hanging out with anyone dangerous.

She had a few pot plants growing in he back yard, that doesn't mean that she was hanging out with anyone dangerous, dangerous people generally don't grow a few pot plants in their back yard, that's what hippies do.
The guy got arrested for domestic violence so obviously he's not a great guy, but that still doesn't make him a very dangerous person.

So where is Renner getting that she started hanging out with very dangerous people? Her ex husband, who probably isn't best friends with her new bf, he probably doesn't even know the guy. I'm just saying he should consider the source before stating something like that as a fact, because in reality he doesn't know that at all.

that was a stupid mistake that I thought it was Tim carpenter who got the DUI, idk I've always read her name as Kathleen Murray ive never seen it as carpenter, but a stupid mistake nonetheless.

But the point I made in my post is still valid.

Jenkins wrote:

She had a few pot plants growing in he back yard, that doesn't mean that she was hanging out with anyone dangerous, dangerous people generally don't grow a few pot plants in their back yard, that's what hippies do.

LOL Jenkins that's great. Your just nonsense. She blew a .352 you obviously don't realize how high that is. That is a serious amount of alcohol and she was driving a vehicle. This was her second DUI. No respect for others none what so ever.

BillNH wrote:

Kathleen blew the .352, it was the only name in the article... SMH...

She's a hippie growing weed she's allowed to do that according to Jenkins. I'm not a specialist in blood alcohol so I admit I had to look it up, and I think most people should to see how bad that was. Jenkins won't because he knows everything as long as it is nothing.

Jenkins wrote:

It just seems completely ridiculous and unprofessional to take the word of her ex for anything regarding what she's doing now.
And it also just sounds more like high school gossip than any sort of legitmate attempt to find maura. I'm sorry but that has nothng to do with the search for maura murray and has everything to do with writing a book that's really looking like it's not gonna be much more than a gossip filled tabloid about her family in the form of a book.

I know much will be done to discredit Tim C. Let it be known that some of the strongest testimony to help put many bad people away came from people with shady pasts. I don't know of any legal informant that doesn't have a checkered past, probably much worse than anything Tim C did, and some of their testimony has been used to put people to death.

I really have to ask. Is anyone still wasting time wading through jenkins posts? I saved lots of time by just skipping over it and the net result, apparently, was the same. Not missing a thing.

Bill