Maura Murray

Sam Ledyard wrote:

John Green has invited Det. Columbo to author a post on the Maura Murray Community blog, elaborating on his theory.
Columbo has stated that he has prior law enforcement experience, in New Hampshire. Further, he knows the area well.
I wish for him to elaborate on his statement implying that Cecil Smith took a circuitous route to the scene of the accident. He further implied that Cecil Smith explained this route by claiming, falsely, that he was unfamiliar with the area.
I want to second this invite. Det. Columbo -- if you wish to email me a proposed post, send it to samuel.s.ledyard@gmail.com.
If you do author a post, I will refrain from anything remotely bordering on a personal attack. I will limit my comments entirely to the substance of your post.
I very much look forward to hearing from you. I mean this without the slightest bit of sarcasm.

You come to Franconia NH and I will meet with You at the local coffee shop and tell You the whole story.

This is an honest invite and I will not attack You either. It will be out in the open and lots of people so You don't have to worry for Your safety.

Please come back to NH. Let's talk.

John

John Green.....

I never said "LADY OF THE DUNES" WAS connected to Maura. I simply posted the info on Her forum.

YOU stated on Your forum that "LADY OF THE DUNES" HAD A CONNECTION TO THE RED HOUSE.

Don't turn things around to suit Your needs.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

IMHO.....
LE was already looking for the Saturn.
Goose lane to Cemetery rd. to Rte 112 back to accident scene.
CECIL SMITH NOT KNOWING THE AREA VERY WELL IS BULLSHIT. HE HAS RELATIVES ON BUNGA RD.
I am not stating LE did anything to Maura.
John

I have lived here for close to 9 years now. If it were not for MM's accident, I would not know where the Weathered Barn is in relation to either Goose lane or Cemetery Road, or Bunga Road. That part of 112 is not in his jurisdiction so he did not likely make rounds there on a daily basis to be familiar with it. No matter that he has relatives on Bunga Road. The more direct route to Bunga would be Goose lane and turn left. If he always went that way to Bunga, and didn't see the Weathered Barn frequently, then I can see him not being sure if it was further east of Goose Lane or west of Bunga.

Could You please post the INVITE by JG because I cannot seem to find it.

I will meet w/ both of You in Franconia anytime.

John

BillNH wrote:

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I have lived here for close to 9 years now. If it were not for MM's accident, I would not know where the Weathered Barn is in relation to either Goose lane or Cemetery Road, or Bunga Road. That part of 112 is not in his jurisdiction so he did not likely make rounds there on a daily basis to be familiar with it. No matter that he has relatives on Bunga Road. The more direct route to Bunga would be Goose lane and turn left. If he always went that way to Bunga, and didn't see the Weathered Barn frequently, then I can see him not being sure if it was further east of Goose Lane or west of Bunga.

Can You please explain......

"NOT PART OF HIS JURISDICTION"

YES IT IS THEIR JURIS......

If it wasn't then why were they at the acc. scene......?

SORRY.....YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

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Can You please explain......
"NOT PART OF HIS JURISDICTION"
YES IT IS THEIR JURIS......
If it wasn't then why were they at the acc. scene......?
SORRY.....YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS.
John

You are correct. What I meant was it is on the edge of his jurisdiction and he is likely not to patrol it much.

BillNH wrote:

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Another example, in my mind, of how community discourse among adults playing by no rules of civility but with mutual support is inclusive and yields information. Topix posters who know better left Columbo's comment to lie there on Topix. This comment has been critically examined in the past and attempts at getting it relayed in additional posts were quashed by the resident guards for such things. It only becomes a “fact” when an outsider comes by and decides to beat it like a dirty rug somewhere else.
Yeah the detective is prone to these things, and someone always has to ask for further explanation, just to be sure that it is nothing new or unknown, but in reality until he expands on it, we don't bother about it much. The detective is still part of the family, like the crazy uncle we all have or the aunt with 75 cats, but the rest of the family knows this and treats his statements accordingly.
It is nice to know that this Topix family is being well watched. I am somewhat surprised though, considering we never discuss anything of substance. It's a real honor since we are all rejects and make no progress.
(yeah I stole the format and some of the content of JG's comments in my first paragraph. It was a fitting parallel, after cleaning up the made up words and the grammar of course.)
**Note to JG. Yes I have done most of the research I said I would on Renner's site in regards to OPR. A lot of raw data still. It was never intended for public consumption and will remain so except for a select few.

what a stunningly accurate assessment. well said!
for the most part, i ignore what is stupid / silly, and pretty much refuse to respond to bat shit crazy.
you've come up to speed very quickly, and that, too, is appreciated.
i no longer have to work as hard to explain the relevant history. people get it.

These are all posts about Columbo made on Green's blog:

"JULY 29, 2013 BY JOHN GREEN 23 COMMENTS
*** UPDATE – July 30, 2013 ***
... I have also closed the thread for further comments. This to not pay any more attention to the apparently so desperate for attention poster in question that he is willing to repeatedly derail public discourse about Maura’s case by simply making up stuff ... It establishes and provides a reference point in public discourse for the fact that this claim is probably an outright lie by someone with psychological, or at least loneliness, issues ... Typically, I would say 'and at that point I will apologize to the poster.' But in this case, given his track record and refusal to expand meaningfully on a seeded, titillating comment, I doubt I will."

"samledyard says:
July 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm
... If he elaborates, we will all be grateful. If he does not elaborate, he will lose all credibility. There’s always the possibility that he’s lonely and craves attention."

Only time will tell.
"John Green says:
July 29, 2013 at 11:45 pm
I don’t know if there is a lot of credibility to be lost there. This poster is notorious for using short posts to try to position himself as having knowledge that he never seems to follow through on. If the tid bit is legit, he probably read it on a forum a long time ago and it is something that never got picked up by anyone. In that case, I would want to find that original poster. But, as you hinted at, it is probably just something he said to appear to be informed, as is his wont. Like I said, he played “hide the ball professor” with this ridiculous comment that the Lady of the Dunes case had something to do with Maura. But I wanted to clear this comment because it is interesting. Now that I think about it, he may have wanted to see himself referenced here so all the better than I did not include his name."

"samledyard says:
July 30, 2013 at 12:13 am
The Lady of the Dunes comment is almost comical (no one could take it seriously)... The Murrays review the content of these websites. It is one thing for him to waste my time. It is another to waste Fred Murray’s. The former is disrespectful; the latter is heartless."

"John Green says:
July 30, 2013 at 12:08 am
Well said. I think Sam hit the mark that attention is thi person’s main aim and he is probably pretty lonely, which circles me back on myself and starts to incite my compassion."

John Green knows nothing about compassion.

"samledyard says:
July 30, 2013 at 10:49 am
John — because of this forum, this Topix poster has been exposed as a liar in a matter of hours. I wonder how many other Topix posts have flown under the radar …"

So according to the very few people who post on Green's blog, Columbo is a disrespectful, heartless, time-wasting liar trying to harm the Murray family because he is lonely, desperate for attention and suffers from psychological issues.

But, as happens over and over and over, Green has decided he wants something from Columbo, so he apologizes and thinks that makes everything OK.

Green has explained his behavior well in one of his posts:

"Splitting is a cognitive distortion and defense mechanism. It is an unconscious way people with certain disorders make sense of the world. It causes mood swings and contributes to arguments, criticism, and blame ... The two most well known disorders associated with this kind of 'splitting' or 'black and white thinking' are Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)."

And I have to say I find it awfully funny that a person who continually claims that he doesn't read here or get information from here continually does just that.:)

LOL......this is hilarious.

I think We need to look at "WHO'S CALLING WHO CRAZY"

John

Beagle wrote:

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Det Columbo is a mask for his handlers. His explanation of the delayed response is merely an attempt to conceal the fact that the actual damage to the Saturn occurred before the Saturn was found at the WB curve. Bob Rosazza saw the damaged Saturn in Massachusetts BEFORE it left MA.

this makes sense to me, at least as supposition. there's been a charade going on here for some number of years. what is hidden? who or what is being protected? i strikes an average observer as odd.

"samledyard says:
July 30, 2013 at 10:49 am
John — because of this forum, this Topix poster has been exposed as a liar in a matter of hours. I wonder how many other Topix posts have flown under the radar …"

The ego of this guy!!! It's toooooooo funny!!!!

People who are completely and utterly unfamiliar with the MM Topix threads and all the other MM forums that existed for the last nine years should really refrain from commenting on them or the people who post on them.

Columbo is a liar?!? OMG!!!! Wow!!! If not for Green's blog, nobody would ever ever have thought that Columbo might lie on occasion!!!! What a breakthrough!!!!!

And, yes, all of the people who have interacted with Columbo for years and years have just got to be gobsmacked by this revelation!!! Not one of them has ever once considered that Columbo might not be telling the truth - NOT ONE!!!

And every single one of these people must be amazed how many of those lies have "flown under the radar." Because NOT ONE OF THEM has ever questioned, researched and/or dismissed any of those lies. Nope. They just sit back and drool and say, wow, it must be true, Columbo said it, it must be a fact, and we shall continue to spread those facts around because we don't have a brain in our heads, not one of us.

You ever heard the word "newbie" Ledyard? That's what you are in the MM world, a newbie. You need to read more and learn more, and not just from your heroes Renner and Green. There were tons of people researching this case for many years before you or Renner or Green stumbled on the scene. Smart people. People who know more than the three of you combined and always will. Those people learned long ago to take most of what Columbo says with many grains of salt, as he loves to play games with these people and the MM investigation. He likes to get people to chase their tails, and he has done a great job of it today - look at all of you, chasing your tails. And once again congratulating yourselves on how brilliant you all are.

It's ever so funny and entertaining.:)

Beagle.....

I did not state that the Saturn was not damaged b4 it left Amherst.

It was merely stated that Haverhill LE was looking for the saturn B4 the WB crash occurred.

The car could have been driven from mass. that way. Not denying that fact.....!

John

Beagle.....

You are barking up the wrong detective.!

John

Maruchan wrote:

"samledyard says:
July 30, 2013 at 10:49 am
John — because of this forum, this Topix poster has been exposed as a liar in a matter of hours. I wonder how many other Topix posts have flown under the radar …"
The ego of this guy!!! It's toooooooo funny!!!!
People who are completely and utterly unfamiliar with the MM Topix threads and all the other MM forums that existed for the last nine years should really refrain from commenting on them or the people who post on them.
Columbo is a liar?!? OMG!!!! Wow!!! If not for Green's blog, nobody would ever ever have thought that Columbo might lie on occasion!!!! What a breakthrough!!!!!
And, yes, all of the people who have interacted with Columbo for years and years have just got to be gobsmacked by this revelation!!! Not one of them has ever once considered that Columbo might not be telling the truth - NOT ONE!!!
And every single one of these people must be amazed how many of those lies have "flown under the radar." Because NOT ONE OF THEM has ever questioned, researched and/or dismissed any of those lies. Nope. They just sit back and drool and say, wow, it must be true, Columbo said it, it must be a fact, and we shall continue to spread those facts around because we don't have a brain in our heads, not one of us.
You ever heard the word "newbie" Ledyard? That's what you are in the MM world, a newbie. You need to read more and learn more, and not just from your heroes Renner and Green. There were tons of people researching this case for many years before you or Renner or Green stumbled on the scene. Smart people. People who know more than the three of you combined and always will. Those people learned long ago to take most of what Columbo says with many grains of salt, as he loves to play games with these people and the MM investigation. He likes to get people to chase their tails, and he has done a great job of it today - look at all of you, chasing your tails. And once again congratulating yourselves on how brilliant you all are.
It's ever so funny and entertaining.:)

I couldn't have said it better Myself.

John

Maruchan wrote:

"samledyard says:
July 30, 2013 at 10:49 am
John — because of this forum, this Topix poster has been exposed as a liar in a matter of hours. I wonder how many other Topix posts have flown under the radar …"
The ego of this guy!!! It's toooooooo funny!!!!
People who are completely and utterly unfamiliar with the MM Topix threads and all the other MM forums that existed for the last nine years should really refrain from commenting on them or the people who post on them.
Columbo is a liar?!? OMG!!!! Wow!!! If not for Green's blog, nobody would ever ever have thought that Columbo might lie on occasion!!!! What a breakthrough!!!!!
And, yes, all of the people who have interacted with Columbo for years and years have just got to be gobsmacked by this revelation!!! Not one of them has ever once considered that Columbo might not be telling the truth - NOT ONE!!!
And every single one of these people must be amazed how many of those lies have "flown under the radar." Because NOT ONE OF THEM has ever questioned, researched and/or dismissed any of those lies. Nope. They just sit back and drool and say, wow, it must be true, Columbo said it, it must be a fact, and we shall continue to spread those facts around because we don't have a brain in our heads, not one of us.
You ever heard the word "newbie" Ledyard? That's what you are in the MM world, a newbie. You need to read more and learn more, and not just from your heroes Renner and Green. There were tons of people researching this case for many years before you or Renner or Green stumbled on the scene. Smart people. People who know more than the three of you combined and always will. Those people learned long ago to take most of what Columbo says with many grains of salt, as he loves to play games with these people and the MM investigation. He likes to get people to chase their tails, and he has done a great job of it today - look at all of you, chasing your tails. And once again congratulating yourselves on how brilliant you all are.
It's ever so funny and entertaining.:)

I knew it was coming! This post and the one before it...Kapow..! Now leave poor Sammy and Johnny alone..They both have " splitting "
headaches... ; )
They've gone and pissed BillNH off, who as far as I can tell is pretty low key and level in most situations..I'm thinking he can hand out the occasional ass whoopin' too, when pushed into a corner.
Crazy uncle Fester, No more topix for you today. You need to settle down and do some knitting or something. You've riled up the entire interwebz!

BillNH wrote:

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You are correct. What I meant was it is on the edge of his jurisdiction and he is likely not to patrol it much.

Hunh. Interesting. Over the years, a theory that the car was intentionally left (not wrecked) where it was is because of the jurisdiction issues.

and let's not forget Lurch.....!

John

Lady Gray1 wrote:

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Hunh. Interesting. Over the years, a theory that the car was intentionally left (not wrecked) where it was is because of the jurisdiction issues.

I personally never attribute to planning (a specific intention) what can easily be just bad luck. Nothing makes her situation, in part or in total, better by having her car land there that I know of.

Bill

Lady Gray1 wrote:

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Hunh. Interesting. Over the years, a theory that the car was intentionally left (not wrecked) where it was is because of the jurisdiction issues.

Well is is curious that the Saturn accident occurred in the one place on 112 that is NOT in Bath. If intentional I cannot at the moment see an advantage in that. I don't think you could count on some jurisdictional issue anyways. I doubt any LE would fail to cross the invisible line to attend a scene they can actually see. Both agencies are dispatched from the same place I believe so that shouldn't be an issue. If coming from the North Haverhill Station then there could be a longer response time from Haverhill vs. Bath but Woodsville is much closer and the most highly populated town in Haverhill so there is almost always LE in that village or Mountain Lakes. Any ideas? Anyone? What advantage would there be to leaving the Saturn in the one spot on 112 that is in Haverhill?

Det Columbo wrote:

The car could have been driven from mass. that way. Not denying that fact.....!
John

With a deployed airbag?