Maura Murray

Maruchan wrote:

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Here is the original version of his last post before the edited version BillNH has posted above:
"I am sorry to say that the Maura Murray Community has closed permanently.
I have accepted a position that in general precludes me from being involved in publicly commenting on a law enforcement investigation, at least within internet forums. As a result, I will be out of pocket anyway for at least 2 months, but thereafter I will not have the same time to invest in engaging others about the case and doing so would not square with my duties in my new job.
I am still working on these items:
- The strange goings on surrounding the red house, but this is on a long leash as FOIA requests will take time to come back and thereafter an entire round of interviews will have to be conducted/re-conducted.
- The relationship between Citigirl and Beagle.
- Alternate theories of crash dynamics based on interviews with experts.
- A business nearby whose employees may have played a role at the scene.
- A signficant discovery I made in Haverhill that may be nothing but if it is something is pretty important. This too is on a long timeline.
- The significance of the fact that – among other apparent falsehoods and curiosities in Fred’s statement to the UMASS police, he clearly did not pick up Kate in a student lot.
At some point, when I have fully matured the evidence and data gathering, as well as analysis that goes into forming conclusive, authoritative arguments I will publish documentation in some way, including:
- In a magazine well known in New England,
- On the internet on a blog that does not accept comments, or
- By writing a book, if enough of the matters I am working on come together.
I thought about leaving the blog up to see if other posters might make it work. But it would continue to be identified as my blog so I chose not to. I hope someone else takes up the mantle. These blogs are pretty easy to create and WordPress has a lot of cool features.
I wont be sharing any of the several hundred items of evidence that I developed and stored here and on two other invite other blogs that I was involved in."

I don't understand why the wording keeps changing. I'm curious to see if there will be a race to see who gets a book out first.
I notice in this newest version there is no longer mention of a blog, magazine or book. It now says .....
***At some point, when I have fully matured the evidence and data gathering, as well as analysis that goes into forming conclusive, authoritative arguments I will make it public on the Internet or in some print form, as appropriate.***

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

I have a couple questions about this Woodesville thing.
1. Does anyone remember the rumor about Maura being at the bowling alley in Woodesville before the crash? Someone on Websleuths even went as far as to say they heard she was in bowling shoes at the crash.
2. Isn't there a certain suspected individual whose residence is in Woodesville?

There have been many many rumors and many names mentioned through the years. Most of it comes from these forums.
I have not heard any rumors that she was at the bowling alley or wearing bowling shoes at the crash.
I also haven't heard that there is a certain suspected individual who lives in Woodsville.
I would think that Green would have been all over that if their was an inkling of truth in it since he said he was in Woodsville and talked to people there.

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

I have a couple questions about this Woodesville thing.
1. Does anyone remember the rumor about Maura being at the bowling alley in Woodesville before the crash? Someone on Websleuths even went as far as to say they heard she was in bowling shoes at the crash.
2. Isn't there a certain suspected individual whose residence is in Woodesville?

Umm, it's Woodsville. You can't get there from here.

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

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Green's email is no longer active.

I thought this was a strange statement, but apparently it wasn't, er, quite true.

Sam Ledyard posted on your new blog today:

"We will continue to add archived content from the former blog — with one exception. At JG’s request, I will not reproduce his posts here."

So, gosh golly gee, it seems his email was "active" after all - what a surprise. Glad to know you're all keeping in touch.:)

I am going to heed the advice of Ridiculous and not interact with these people at all. They have been actively seeking out the identities of posters here and possibly using illegal means to do so - let us not forget their contributor Chrisa05:

""chris a05 says:... I personally have access to BOP’s for one of my jobs and can occasionally get away with running people of interest not related to my job, however, I unfortunately will not attempt to run Maura as she no doubt has a flag on ANYBODY running her name for ANY reason in MA’s systems as well as NCIC (national) as a missing person. Therefore me running her would immediately lead to somebody, likely a New Hampshire State Police detective, on the phone with my boss in less than 5 minutes. As you could understand they would want to know why she was run and if somebody had her pulled over on the side of the road, just found one of her ID’s laying around, etc, etc, etc. My long winded point is, Id love to be helpful and run the BOP but I know I’d be called on it in mere minutes if not seconds."

This was mentioned earlier, but I didn't pay much attention considering the poster. However, I found through a cached search this post on Green's blog (not the new one created today by Ledyard) and am including the entirety of what the page says:

"Protected: LE source: Maura was alive and in Woodsville town center just before midnight on the 9th

AUGUST 16, 2013 ENTER YOUR PASSWORD TO VIEW COMMENTS.

This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:

Password:

FILED UNDER AFTERMATH (AT SCENE), AT THE SCENE
Categories"

This was posted the day after Green supposedly closed the blog and after Ledyard and Tyler supposedly lost contact with Green. Now here is Tyler slumming asking us cheap seaters about it. It seems pretty clear to me that they are all still active on Green's "private" blog.

Maruchan wrote:

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I thought this was a strange statement, but apparently it wasn't, er, quite true.
Sam Ledyard posted on your new blog today:
"We will continue to add archived content from the former blog — with one exception. At JG’s request, I will not reproduce his posts here."
So, gosh golly gee, it seems his email was "active" after all - what a surprise. Glad to know you're all keeping in touch.:)
I am going to heed the advice of Ridiculous and not interact with these people at all. They have been actively seeking out the identities of posters here and possibly using illegal means to do so - let us not forget their contributor Chrisa05:
""chris a05 says:... I personally have access to BOP’s for one of my jobs and can occasionally get away with running people of interest not related to my job, however, I unfortunately will not attempt to run Maura as she no doubt has a flag on ANYBODY running her name for ANY reason in MA’s systems as well as NCIC (national) as a missing person. Therefore me running her would immediately lead to somebody, likely a New Hampshire State Police detective, on the phone with my boss in less than 5 minutes. As you could understand they would want to know why she was run and if somebody had her pulled over on the side of the road, just found one of her ID’s laying around, etc, etc, etc. My long winded point is, Id love to be helpful and run the BOP but I know I’d be called on it in mere minutes if not seconds."

Well isn't that just peachy. I didn't know they were doing that. Guess I'll go sit in the corner in my cheap seat and stay out of trouble.

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

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His email is not active. Try sending him a message if you like. There are other forms of communication that exist besides email.
In any case, I am done commenting on the situation.
But the rumor about personal information of Topix posters being sought after is a total farce.

Oh, yes, I'll just shoot him an email so he has my email address. Jesus.

Yes, there are other forms of communication, and obviously you have them, yet you come here pretending that you couldn't contact him.

And, please, we all know and have seen multiple instances of Green and Ledyard and others talking about searching for and apparently finding the identities of Topix posters. It isn't just what Ridiculous said, it has happened over and over for several months. Give it up.

Maruchan wrote:

This was mentioned earlier, but I didn't pay much attention considering the poster. However, I found through a cached search this post on Green's blog (not the new one created today by Ledyard) and am including the entirety of what the page says:
"Protected: LE source: Maura was alive and in Woodsville town center just before midnight on the 9th
AUGUST 16, 2013 ENTER YOUR PASSWORD TO VIEW COMMENTS.
This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:
Password:
FILED UNDER AFTERMATH (AT SCENE), AT THE SCENE
Categories"
This was posted the day after Green supposedly closed the blog and after Ledyard and Tyler supposedly lost contact with Green. Now here is Tyler slumming asking us cheap seaters about it. It seems pretty clear to me that they are all still active on Green's "private" blog.

And 35 minutes after I posted this, look what happened:

" themmcommunity.wordpress.com is no longer available.
The authors have deleted this site."

Just a comment on the parking sticker supposedly belonging to an Amherst apartment complex. Beagle has claimed for years the Saturn was seen parked at an apartment complex in Amherst.

This is entertaining from the new MMC:

4 Responses to Welcome to the Blog
88green says:
August 17, 2013 at 4:38 AM
First, Sam do not post lies about conversations that we never had. I never had a conversation or email exchange with you about this topic of what you would post here. You are attempting to suggest that I endorse your efforts in any way. I don’t. I think people would be wise to avoid this site and you. For example, you have knowingly reposted a statement by Clint Journalist about which there ample evidence of non-credibleness.

What I DID do was make the MMC private. If these posts are indeed directly from the MMC, you by definition have hacked into it. That is illegal and represents a clear violation of WordPresses terms of service. It is also loathesome. If the current posts here are reblogged from MMC, take them down immediately or I will create headaches you don’t want. Obviously if their authors reposted them, that is their choice. Sam, if you play with me, I have all the time, money and wherewithal to win. I’d rather not play, so you would be wise to heed this warning.

Sam, you are dishonest and I know what you are up to. Mess with me at your own risk on this. I will not stand still for you reposting ANYTHING here from the MMC and I will do whatever it takes to stop you.

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samledyard says:
August 17, 2013 at 5:04 AM
And, to clarify, the posts have simply been reposted (not reblogged).

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samledyard says:
August 17, 2013 at 4:52 AM
I respectfully disagree about the Clint Journalist post. I believe that Clintjouralist corresponded with Mayotte via email. And then he copied and pasted the content of the email. That seems pretty credible to me. Is your understanding different?

I assumed that you would endorse the continuation of the Maura Murray Community. You indicated such in your goodbye post. And so it continues. I would gladly relieve myself of administrative capabilities if others think it best. I don’t care if I have any power on here; I am simply interested in Maura.

I did not hack into the site. Do not worry.

I am interested: what do you think I am up to? why do you believe that I am dishonest?

Again, John, I wish you the best in the future.

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Tyler from Pittsburgh says:
August 17, 2013 at 5:22 AM
John,

I’d like to participate here. But if there is some reason I shouldn’t, could you communicate it to me beyond just saying what you have already said?

What is Sam “up to” exactly?

Thanks

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

You guys can believe what you want. I'm not interested in participating in an internet soap opera. But to my knowledge, no one I researched with from the MMC ever sought out personal information of Topix posters.
If anyone has any thoughts on the bowling alley in Woodsville, I would genuinely like to hear them. Thanks.

I will say this:

The bowling alley has a new owner who is trying to make a living for himself and his family. Whatever may have happened there in 2004 has nothing to do with the business or the owner now. So, please, as a friend of the owner i am asking, do not do ANYTHING that may affect his business negatively. I will say once again, these are real people and real places you guys are playing amateur detective with.

BillNH wrote:

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I will say this:
The bowling alley has a new owner who is trying to make a living for himself and his family. Whatever may have happened there in 2004 has nothing to do with the business or the owner now. So, please, as a friend of the owner i am asking, do not do ANYTHING that may affect his business negatively. I will say once again, these are real people and real places you guys are playing amateur detective with.

The bowling alley's behavior is abhorant. Time to stand up for what is right.

Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:

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His email is not active. Try sending him a message if you like. There are other forms of communication that exist besides email.
In any case, I am done commenting on the situation.
But the rumor about personal information of Topix posters being sought after is a total farce.

I have a fake email address, but if I use it, the magic Internet vapors will lead you back to me. Can't risk being rational, sorry.

BillNH wrote:

This is entertaining from the new MMC:
4 Responses to Welcome to the Blog
88green says:
August 17, 2013 at 4:38 AM
First, Sam do not post lies about conversations that we never had. I never had a conversation or email exchange with you about this topic of what you would post here. You are attempting to suggest that I endorse your efforts in any way. I don’t. I think people would be wise to avoid this site and you. For example, you have knowingly reposted a statement by Clint Journalist about which there ample evidence of non-credibleness.
What I DID do was make the MMC private. If these posts are indeed directly from the MMC, you by definition have hacked into it. That is illegal and represents a clear violation of WordPresses terms of service. It is also loathesome. If the current posts here are reblogged from MMC, take them down immediately or I will create headaches you don’t want. Obviously if their authors reposted them, that is their choice. Sam, if you play with me, I have all the time, money and wherewithal to win. I’d rather not play, so you would be wise to heed this warning.
Sam, you are dishonest and I know what you are up to. Mess with me at your own risk on this. I will not stand still for you reposting ANYTHING here from the MMC and I will do whatever it takes to stop you.
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samledyard says:
August 17, 2013 at 5:04 AM
And, to clarify, the posts have simply been reposted (not reblogged).
Reply
samledyard says:
August 17, 2013 at 4:52 AM
I respectfully disagree about the Clint Journalist post. I believe that Clintjouralist corresponded with Mayotte via email. And then he copied and pasted the content of the email. That seems pretty credible to me. Is your understanding different?
I assumed that you would endorse the continuation of the Maura Murray Community. You indicated such in your goodbye post. And so it continues. I would gladly relieve myself of administrative capabilities if others think it best. I don’t care if I have any power on here; I am simply interested in Maura.
I did not hack into the site. Do not worry.
I am interested: what do you think I am up to? why do you believe that I am dishonest?
Again, John, I wish you the best in the future.
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Tyler from Pittsburgh says:
August 17, 2013 at 5:22 AM
John,
I’d like to participate here. But if there is some reason I shouldn’t, could you communicate it to me beyond just saying what you have already said?
What is Sam “up to” exactly?
Thanks

***If the current posts here are reblogged from MMC, take them down immediately or I will create headaches you don’t want. Obviously if their authors reposted them, that is their choice. Sam, if you play with me, I have all the time, money and wherewithal to win.***

After being called a liar and threatened with legal action I am just stunned that anyone would want to participate in anything involving this person.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Well isn't that just peachy. I didn't know they were doing that. Guess I'll go sit in the corner in my cheap seat and stay out of trouble.

I enjoy my cheap seat.. I'll get the hotdogs when they come through..

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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***If the current posts here are reblogged from MMC, take them down immediately or I will create headaches you don’t want. Obviously if their authors reposted them, that is their choice. Sam, if you play with me, I have all the time, money and wherewithal to win.***
After being called a liar and threatened with legal action I am just stunned that anyone would want to participate in anything involving this person.

isn't this silly, Wowzer? needless blather. to lend some focus, the only people whom have any skin in this game is MM's immediate family...and the authorities.
seriously? absolute strangers threatening each other? senseless drama.

whiston wrote:

Hi all,the accident report was not filled out for 5 days after the saturn was found.At the very least the Saturn was illegally parked as per winter parking codes in the area.Still wondering how and where John Kapp Monaghan was and when he was a state trooper.take care philip

Hi Philip.

I honestly don't know, just curious, but this seems like an odd question considering Frank Kelly said you, too, lived in W and he was going to stop by and see you but didn't want to show up unannounced because you hadn't specifically invited him to stop by. Is there anything between you and K-M? Or the K part? I mean the name you wrote out was pretty specific, not just the usual initials. Did you ever get an answer to your question?

By the way, were you the source of the credit card story way back? And/or the dismissal from WP story?

Oh, just one more thing. Where'd that accent of yours come from? UK? Down Under? BC?

Thanks. Hope all is well. Take care, Alden

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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After being called a liar and threatened with legal action I am just stunned that anyone would want to participate in anything involving this person.

First, there is simply no basis for legal action. This is an empty threat.

Second, Green does not truly consider me a liar. If he did, he would have cited a lie.

I forgive Green for his words, and think it best to move forward.

SnowyB wrote:

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isn't this silly, Wowzer? needless blather. to lend some focus, the only people whom have any skin in this game is MM's immediate family...and the authorities.
seriously? absolute strangers threatening each other? senseless drama.

It's ridiculous. Excuse the pun.:)

Samuel Ledyard wrote:

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First, there is simply no basis for legal action. This is an empty threat.
Second, Green does not truly consider me a liar. If he did, he would have cited a lie.
I forgive Green for his words, and think it best to move forward.

This is my last reply to you or any of the wanderers that find their way here from MMC.
I will say that you are a better person than I am because if someone told me on a public forum not to post lies and that I'm dishonest and then threatened legal action (even if it was an empty threat)I would not be so quick to forgive. But hey what do I know, I'm just a cheap seat and happy as a clam that I am.

I heard Emmett say there's a hot dog roast tonight for the cheap seats so I'm afraid I have to go now and make some potato salad.
I'd invite you but the cheap seat chairs are ALL taken.
Hey maybe Green will throw a picnic for you all to show appreciation for all the hard work you did. Wouldn't that be nice?