Maura Murray

beloved Snowey is Nuts alright; he / she, irrational / highly forgetful, wrinkled / Old. the static feature is lonely, not an independent thinker (dementia onset); needs to attack others to get them off topic.
the next senior citizen Bus to go leaf peeping 8 days.

My instincts tell me that certain posters are here to deflect talk of Maura Murray. The defense gets ratcheted up to a higher level when one suggests foul play. The conspiracy theorist in me says that
they are trying to protect a family member or friend. Possibly this person was or is the person of interest that Mrs Smith alluded to.

Something really smells when a certain group shows no interest what so ever in what happened to Maura.

John Green wrote:

If you read poor Hannah B's posts, you'll start to see a lot of insecurity, condescending remarks, and flat out nastiness for anyone who thinks differently than her. Sad.

But you know I love you, Johnnie!

A puzzle.

http://goo.gl/tvvKa6

The T must be caps.

http://goo.gl/TvvKa6

hannah_b wrote:

IIRC, at the time posters were discussing the Vasi hit (for the 45643th time), when Beagle posted about his ex wife working at the hospital were Vasi was admitted, and her collegue BZ took the call. A poster which I will not name contacted BZ and I think she got confirmation there really was such a call. Someone should formally interview BZ.

hannah, i'm amused; subsequent to your comment here, and previous, nearly identical comments by you, me and Advocate in recent weeks, the investigative journalist(s) are just now inquiring about this info.
having been around much longer than some i sense the forthcoming book may be a more interesting read for someone entirely unfamiliar with MM's disappearance.
i continue to be further amused that they all return to topix. a hoot.

WTH-the-original wrote:

I don't want to speak for FrmLE. I haven't read everything yet so I can't speak to everything you posted but what I have read is interesting. The other thing that I thought that FrmLE pointed out was that the investigative grand jury wasn't used often.

http://doj.nh.gov/media-center/press-releases...

My only point was that the document I referenced appeared to me to make a distinction between the two grand jury types. Maybe I am the only one that reads it that way. I will try to read those documents posted by Amy tonight.

Another question Amy. I thought that a grand jury can compel someone to testify. Can someone still plead the 5th and is that the only way to escape testifying? Of course bearing in mind that the "subject" of the inquiry isn't called to testify.

Bill

I see Sam addressed part of this already, but I wanted to add that I do see what you're saying now that I read the document you posted about the distinction between the two grand juries in that case. This seems to be similar to the way grand juries are used in PA as referenced in the article I quoted yesterday. I'm still looking to find any case anywhere where an investigative grand jury would be used in a case with no evidence of foul play, no witnesses to a crime (since there's no evidence of a crime), etc. No luck yet, but I have learned a few other things so at least it's not a complete waste of time.:-)

JWB wrote:

My instincts tell me that certain posters are here to deflect talk of Maura Murray. The defense gets ratcheted up to a higher level when one suggests foul play. The conspiracy theorist in me says that
they are trying to protect a family member or friend. Possibly this person was or is the person of interest that Mrs Smith alluded to.
Something really smells when a certain group shows no interest what so ever in what happened to Maura.

I disagree. They do have a legitimate point: this is probably never going to be resolved.

What I have objected to are the personal attacks...and the bogus profiling culminating in insults.

amy researches wrote:

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I see Sam addressed part of this already, but I wanted to add that I do see what you're saying now that I read the document you posted about the distinction between the two grand juries in that case. This seems to be similar to the way grand juries are used in PA as referenced in the article I quoted yesterday. I'm still looking to find any case anywhere where an investigative grand jury would be used in a case with no evidence of foul play, no witnesses to a crime (since there's no evidence of a crime), etc. No luck yet, but I have learned a few other things so at least it's not a complete waste of time.:-)

You know. Something that we may have all overlooked is that the investigative grand jury may have the ability to call anyone to testify. Even people that might possibly be a POI?? I know that most seem to state "corruption and organized crime" but I assume that isn't a "must" but a "usually" what it is used for.

Again, just wondering out loud.

And I have read your postings Amy and I see where it appears they appear to talk about a POI or POI's but what I don't know is if a POI has to be a specific person. They seem to dance around a POI or group of POI's. Does POI actually mean a specific person or can it be a person unknown who they are interested in because, I assume, the location of this person if they thought a crime occurred or other happenstance (i.e. the driver of the red truck - NOT THAT I BELIEVE THAT BUT AS A FOR INSTANCE)? After determining that the unknown person the grand jury was trying to identify was determined to not be involved, the grand jury turned in no indictment for the unknown POI. I know a regular grand jury always, I believe, has a specific person or persons of interest, but is that what differentiates it from an investigative grand jury? I mean if they wanted to indict an unknown person who they believed was responsible, can they issue a John Doe indictment?

Again, I don't know these answers, I am just wondering.

Bill

amy researches wrote:

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Thanks Sam. I understand why a poster's location will change from post to post. I post from my phone and my location can very between different places in the Chicago area even when I'm home. None of them has ever come up as my suburb. What I don't understand is what will cause a single post to have various locations over time or how you think those locations will assist Renner in tracking the poster down. Unless someone posts from an assigned IP like a workplace that has it's own dedicated IP address, I didn't think it was possible. I figured LE probably did everything possible to try to track down that poster years ago. But as I said I don't know much about this stuff. I'm not interested in tracking anyone down, just curious how it works if you don't mind explaining.

While I have a limited understanding on the subject, here's what I take to be true:

According to one of the few posts on Topix that I could find on the subject, to post on Topix, you must "have java-script and cookies enabled .... You can be chained behind a thousand anonymous off shore proxies, and the geoip and geoip_isp scripts run as soon as the page reloads ....[T]hose scripts will run, grab your actual ip and other info, then bounce it right back to the topix server logs! And they know pretty much everything about you!"

Applying this information, I infer that, each time a Topix page reloads, Topix assigns a corresponding location to your IP address.

Right now I will come up as "Quincy, MA." My post will remain as "Quincy" because, at work, I am in a different location with a different IP. But if the location corresponding to the IP address changed, the next time I reloaded the page, this post would be updated to reflect the new location.

That is really the extent of my limited understanding. I wish someone else could speak to this.

How would it help track the poster? The "Tourist" poster has clearly used multiple names on Topix. To the extent that we can discern a pattern from Tourist's locations, we can search for other users with the same pattern. Seven location changes is a lot of data. If a different post by a different user reflected the same changes, I think that we could safely infer that this different user is, in fact, "Tourist."

Ordinarily, I agree that people should not be tracked down -- but when someone posts what I believe to be intentionally misleading information, you are diverting attention from what's important, and wasting resources.

Also, on a personal level, I am curious. What would make someone intentionally post inaccurate information? A need for attention? A need to divert attention from an act that the person has committed?

I am the voice of reason.

NDG wrote:

The T must be caps.
http://goo.gl/TvvKa6

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Why post a link and declare it a "puzzle?"

NDG, if you have something to add to the discussion, simply state what it is. We're listening.

The Troll wrote:

I am the voice of reason.

More like the voice of irony.

by divine intervention Sam shows up to explore whatever has been exhaustively considered in the past. if JL couldn't do it, less gifted minds cannot.
how has this thread endured without Sam or JG? or are they one in the same?
still, no new news.

JWB wrote:

My instincts tell me that certain posters are here to deflect talk of Maura Murray. The defense gets ratcheted up to a higher level when one suggests foul play. The conspiracy theorist in me says that
they are trying to protect a family member or friend. Possibly this person was or is the person of interest that Mrs Smith alluded to.
Something really smells when a certain group shows no interest what so ever in what happened to Maura.

Your premise has no basis. Since your theory is based on conspiracy - I can change it to say that you are trying to suggest "foul play" because you want to point the finger at someone to protect your family. Thats what makes this fun. When proof isn't needed anything can be written.

SnowyB wrote:

by divine intervention Sam shows up to explore whatever has been exhaustively considered in the past. if JL couldn't do it, less gifted minds cannot.
how has this thread endured without Sam or JG? or are they one in the same?
still, no new news.

You must be saving some kind of groundbreaking revelation.

I can't wait for you to share it.

James Renner wrote:

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Really? That's very odd. Who is BZ?

The nurse who took the call from the unknown female asking about Vasi´s condition. B is a nickname for E. Polish last name, not gonna type it out here. After being contacted by one or more poster/s she made her facebook private, can´t blame her. According to private messages BZ confirmed she took that call. I believe she still works at the same hospital, or at least did a couple years ago. You should be able to find her. Somebody claimed to know (Whiston? not sure) she also was/is an aquaintance of mrs Salamone, but that could either be untrue or a coincidence. Of course it could all be BS.

SnowyB wrote:

the next full moon is in 8 days.

Wow, didn´t know that. Gotta buy a shitload of popcorn!

SnowyB wrote:

how has this thread endured without Sam or JG? or are they one in the same?
still, no new news.

If they are that only doubles the love!

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Your premise has no basis. Since your theory is based on conspiracy - I can change it to say that you are trying to suggest "foul play" because you want to point the finger at someone to protect your family. Thats what makes this fun. When proof isn't needed anything can be written.

Well Lighthouse. The Basis is years and years of the same postings that show a road block to Maura Murry talk regardless of facts. I will post a post From beagle aka Clay soup and he expressed the same in I want to say 2007.
I will have more to say on Beagle soon.