Maura Murray

We often disagree on details and motives but everyone here has helped advance the understanding of this case over the last 10 years. And your criticisms have certainly helped me as I edit the book. Hopefully we get resolution this year.

James Renner wrote:

We often disagree on details and motives but everyone here has helped advance the understanding of this case over the last 10 years. And your criticisms have certainly helped me as I edit the book. Hopefully we get resolution this year.

i've changed my mind, JR, and while i have questioned your investigative approach / methods, specific to your strong bonds to individuals of questionable intent, at least by my distant observation, i still hope your completed work will be enlightening and helpful to this mystery.

James quotes this today: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/... .

Does anyone know where this originates? A cite would be helpful.

Not Without Peril wrote:

James quotes this today: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/... .
Does anyone know where this originates? A cite would be helpful.

here y'all go

http://findmauramurray.fr.yuku.com/topic/89/F...

Not Without Peril wrote:

James quotes this today: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/... .
Does anyone know where this originates? A cite would be helpful.

remember:
Mason's strong, speculative opinions are his own, and were received as distasteful by many. they make a strong leap toward FM's being a villain, not victim. Mason cannot prove that the attributed actions are valid or have a basis in reality.
so, now, what will JR do with Mason's expressed ideas?

William Petit was accused, online, of having involvement with his wife's and daughter's brutal murders. how awful it must be to be accused by the public, if one is innocent.
just something to think about.

then, again, how awful to accuse strangers of murder, also without proof. it works both ways.

Thanks. Lady Gray attempted to correct James in comments on his blog. She suggested that the comment may have been posted on Topix or Advocate's forum. Unfortunately, the Topix archive that Ben gave me ends a few hours before Mason made that post on Advocate's forum.

I guess it wasn't too long after that that Where is Maura Murray was deleted.

Was MMM really deleted shortly after Mason's post?(i.e., May 2, 2009)?

When I say MMM, I am referring to the forum.

Not Without Peril wrote:

Thanks. Lady Gray attempted to correct James in comments on his blog. She suggested that the comment may have been posted on Topix or Advocate's forum. Unfortunately, the Topix archive that Ben gave me ends a few hours before Mason made that post on Advocate's forum.
I guess it wasn't too long after that that Where is Maura Murray was deleted.
Was MMM really deleted shortly after Mason's post?(i.e., May 2, 2009)?

my recollection is that it did appear on topix, but threads were sometimes taken down with some restored, and some restarted. i didn't keep track then, as now. still, the context of your inquiry about the post Renner quotes is found captured in the above link.

Lady Gray & Mcsmom are absolutely correct in their responses to Renner - Mason didn't appear on Topix until November 29, 2008.

I recollect that the mmm forum was not in operation as of that date.

Fore!

Gretzky To Lemieux wrote:

Lady Gray & Mcsmom are absolutely correct in their responses to Renner - Mason didn't appear on Topix until November 29, 2008.
I recollect that the mmm forum was not in operation as of that date.

Ben, Mason's comment is dated "May 2 [20]09 11:20 AM."

Unfortunately, the last page you archived on Where is Maura Murray was May 2 2009 6:16 AM. So, you stopped archiving 5 hours 4 minutes before Mason made the comment. My question is this: do you recall Mason posting the comment there as well? I wonder whether James simply confused the deletion of the MMM forum with the deletion of Where is MAURA MURRAY.

I want to note one other thing: Suzanne's "last" post (April 2009) references the fact that MMM was back up and running. So, it is quite possible that MMM was online as of May 2 2009.

I find it interesting that MMM was deleted due to ... threats ....

Renner doesn't seem to have noticed that Mason's quote is from Advocate's forum, which many of us have been using all along to find information. The word "steak" within the quote gives it away - the "wonders of the Internet" statement makes it sound like this "find" is somehow special.

Renner also implies that Advocate shut down her forum because of accusations against Fred, which I'm certain isn't true. Hopefully Advocate will stop by to address this issue.

I would also note that Renner did not include the entire quote by Mason, leaving out the disgusting "poem" about Fred murdering his daughter which I won't repeat here.

So, on the 10-year anniversary of Maura's disappearance, Renner chooses to create a blog entry to once again cast her father and family in a bad light, making up "facts" and using a theory by just another internet sleuth to imply that Fred murdered Maura.

Nice.

And people wonder why I despise this guy?

The majority of Where is Maura Murray was deleted May 17 2009, as indicated by the current posts. The deletion of that thread 15 days after Mason's post on Advocate's forum makes me think that I am correct: James probably confused MMM with Where is Maura Murray.

Plus, White Wash said this after then majority of WMM was deleted:

WHITE WASH wrote:

Is taking the thread down Mason and my surprise?
<quoted text>

I have no idea what the context was, of course, since I do not have access to the complete thread.

Not Without Peril wrote:

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Ben, Mason's comment is dated "May 2 [20]09 11:20 AM."
Unfortunately, the last page you archived on Where is Maura Murray was May 2 2009 6:16 AM. So, you stopped archiving 5 hours 4 minutes before Mason made the comment. My question is this: do you recall Mason posting the comment there as well? I wonder whether James simply confused the deletion of the MMM forum with the deletion of Where is MAURA MURRAY.

Mason typically would post at both Topix and Advocate's forum, now housed at yuku.com .

The Topix forum you posted in recently, "Maura Murray 10" was one of several forums made in protest of the original forum's deletion. It was deleted, at most, only a few days prior to the creation of that thread by White Wash.

So, yes - the forum that was removed was Topix. I have not been told who requested the removal (if there was a request) or why it was removed.

The MMM forum was no longer in use, and i suspect it was prior to April 2008 when the first Topix Forum was created.

Speaking of Mason, he was hellbent on MM having an incestuous relationship to her father. His sole purpose of posting was to discredit FM. Mason was himself a childhood victim of sexual abuse, and claimed the very sight of FM made him sick.

Not saying the incest thing is true, but there certainly seemed to be something very unhealthy about MM´s relationship to her father. Maybe James should interview Mason about his reasons for posting the things he did?

My last update to the archive, as far as I know, was made May 1, 2009. I will look to see if I made a later one.

Thanks for the info; very helpful.

I disagree with only one thing that you stated:I do believe that MMM was back (if only temporarily) as of April 2009 based on Suzannne's "final" post.
There, she mentioned that it was back up and running.

Not Without Peril wrote:

Plus, White Wash said this after then majority of WMM was deleted:
<quoted text>
I have no idea what the context was, of course, since I do not have access to the complete thread.

Someone had been posting to topix that posters (those of us not belonging to the Murray cult) were in for a surprise. The poster was very specific as to when this would happen, IIRC the surprise would happen June 6. The posts appeared weeks before June 6, and the thread was taken down not on June 6, but not long after. The posts were in response to posts by WW and Mason, IIRC.