Maura Murray

Head Tremors wrote:

People are waking up. Very good.

Sounds like you know the answers here. Why let these people keep struggling. Clue us in on what happened.

Bill

FrmLE wrote:

<quoted text>She is somewhere in those Mountains, in my opinion.

Almost certainly. And every person that I have read on these forums that insists that she would have been found if she was in the woods. Are all people that have never searched for anything, in those woods. But none of those people will let reality or real experience shake their "knowledge".

Bill

aftermath wrote:

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WTH,
Please be more attentive in your reading. I wrote:
I'm not influenced by the credibility wand.(Please note "credibility wand"). Go back to that phone call about the condo and ask the question why would a person be inquiring about a condo if she actually had no interest in one. Many had questioned why she had been interested in a condo. Many questioned how she could afford a condo. She certainly would have had a lengthy drive from Bartlett to Amherst to attend classes. Undoubtedly she had every intention of returning to classes and work at Amherst or she would not have bothered providing supervisors and faculty with an excuse for her absence. So given the above information, why would a person be calling about a condo if she had no interest in one? Let's consider the possibilities based on her actually having called and inquired about a condo.

Aftermath, she had frequented there before with her father and I am sure she had no idea of the cost etc to rent a condo. Her dad probably had paid in the past. She was just looking for a place to stay for a short period of time and so she did a search on line and got the salamones number.

aftermath wrote:

<quoted text>Undoubtedly she had every intention of returning to classes and work at Amherst or she would not have bothered providing supervisors and faculty with an excuse for her absence.

Very good. Your prose confused me initially.

What is not sustainable in my opinion is this statement. I have always suspected that her use of subterfuge was to give her enough time to do what she wanted to do. With no one either questioning her actions and to give herself a large amount of time to do what she wanted to do. In other words a very large lead before anyone started looking for her. If it wasn't for the crash, likely no one, would have ever known about what she did, family, friends, coworkers or employers. Or she would have disappeared with a substantial lead before anyone started looking for her.

Bill

FrmLE wrote:

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It is possible that somebody somewhere knows something....
However in my opinion it is much much more likely that the only person who knows what happened that evening (Maura) is dead and therefore isn't talking. I see this time and time again how people who watch alot of crime TV make the assumption that because her body has not been found that SHE MUST HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED OR MURDERED.
The truth is that the most likely scenario is that she walked into those woods on her own free will for reasons that only she knew, succumbed to the elements and died alone. It is very sad, however that is the absolute most likely scenario in this case. For everyone who says "But she must have been murdered/kidnapped otherwise we would have found the body", you are just plain wrong.
In that area of the woods, where she could have gotten on her own two feet, the likelyhood of finding her body is so remote it can't even be calculated.
She is somewhere in those Mountains, in my opinion.

well, that's your opinion, and it's one of many possibilities. there is no evidence of a crime having been committed, and its unclear she even arrived at the location where her car was found...in order to run off into the woods and succumb to the elements; nor was she positively id'd by the SBD. i watch zero crime shows; i read zero mysteries; my preference is non-fiction.
she could be alive and well. who knows?

aftermath wrote:

oo00oo wrote:
If you bothered to actually research Maura's disappearance, you would know that the Wakefield call is no mystery. Everybody but you probably knows who she called in Wakefield.
oo00oo,
I researched but unfortunately it is this good habit of mine to think beyond what I read. Beyond research. Yes. Proud to say I'm not influenced by the credibility wand, which some wave too quickly. We have a young woman inquiring about a condo she could not possibly afford. Many have been stymied by this. A student with two part-time jobs affording a condo? They make a good point. What if she did inquire about a condo but that had not been the purpose of her call? Beagle? Got some ideas on this one? Let's provide ooOOoo some options to consider. Once more: What if she did inquire about a condo but that had not been the purpose of her call?

Your post comes across like you did not know who Maura was calling. Also the phone call from Wakefield to Maura does not exist. I have been reading here for almost 8 years, none that I have seen have been stymied about the condo inquiry. This has already been discussed over & over, which you fail to understand.
Nothing wrong with thinking out of the box, but you are making crap up.

oo00oo wrote:

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Your post comes across like you did not know who Maura was calling. Also the phone call from Wakefield to Maura does not exist. I have been reading here for almost 8 years, none that I have seen have been stymied about the condo inquiry. This has already been discussed over & over, which you fail to understand.
Nothing wrong with thinking out of the box, but you are making crap up.

AMEN

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text> and its unclear she even arrived at the location where her car was found...in order to run off into the woods and succumb to the elements; nor was she positively id'd by the SBD.

This is incorrect, she was at the scene, she was positively identified. Where did you come up with that idea?

Unless of course you are going with the zombie clone theory, that the girl who he spoke to at the car, the girl who looked like maura, who was driving mauras car and was wearing mauras clothes was in fact an alien body snatcher...... Then yes, anything is possible I guess...

FrmLE wrote:

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This is incorrect, she was at the scene, she was positively identified. Where did you come up with that idea?

she was positively identified by whom?

oo00oo wrote:
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Your post comes across like you did not know who Maura was calling. Also the phone call from Wakefield to Maura does not exist. I have been reading here for almost 8 years, none that I have seen have been stymied about the condo inquiry. This has already been discussed over & over, which you fail to understand.
Nothing wrong with thinking out of the box, but you are making crap up.

ooOOoo,
Mr. Renner posted, The Search Warrant and What it implies..... on www.mauramurraysblogspot.com
In this short article? he writes about what he describes as a search warrant filed by a member of Troop F (he provides a copy? of the document????). If you go to the website above and look for Mr. Renner's article, check out no. 5 of the document (name Landry appears at end of document). NOTE Item No. 5 which describes a call made to Maura. Maura DID phone Wakefield that day. Someone north of Wakefield or FROM Wakefield may have returned returned Maura's call (they may have started the trip north into New Hampshire to meet Maura). Of all land mass on planet earth, it seems unusual that Maura phoned Wakefield and received a call from Wakefield/or just "north" of Wakefield ON THE SAME DAY. THE SAME DAY SHE DISAPPEARS. Coincidental? She may have said condo, but what if her call was not actually about condo? Wonder if there was ever any follow-up regarding item No. 5....

Frostman wrote:

The real question is: How much reward money is required to have someone come forward with more information that will lead to an arrest and conviction?$250,000?$500,000? More?
Somebody somewhere knows something about the evening Maura disappeared. Someone came home late or not at all and proffered a seemingly legitimate explanation that never sat right with their significant other. An employee was unusually late for work on February 10th or 11th, 2004. A vehicle was fastidiously scrubbed clean. A chainsaw was borrowed. A spouse had an unaccounted for absence. Could hypnosis could help a witness remember a licence plate?
How much money would it take for you to go to LE with possibly incriminating information on a friend, a co-worker or a loved one?

Problem is there are those who will manipulate the reward as profit and vengeance toward an innocent person. Money makes for loose finger pointing and scores to settle. People kill for a hell of a lot less than that amount.

FrmLE wrote:

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This is incorrect, she was at the scene, she was positively identified. Where did you come up with that idea?

FrmLE,
She plucks ideas from the air. SBD was a retired police officer and would have been able to guess approximate height and weight of the woman with whom he'd spoken. He believed the woman was Maura. From the sound of things, people in Amherst or anywhere else for that matter were not waiting in line for an opportunity to drive the Saturn. Maura would have been the only one who knew its quirks, its deficits.

aftermath wrote:

oo00oo wrote:
<quoted text> Someone north of Wakefield or FROM Wakefield may have returned returned Maura's call

"May have"is not a fact jack.

aftermath wrote:

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SBD was a retired police officer and would have been able to guess approximate height and weight of the woman with whom he'd spoken.

SBD WAS NOT A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER. Please do not research Topix for factual info. on Maura Murray. You can add Wikileaks too..this is updated with unverified info.

Snowy wrote:

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she was positively identified by whom?

Snowy,
No one took her fingerprints. In fact, except for SBD (a retired police officer), no one else spoke with her at the accident scene that evening. No one could find her. Remember? SBD stated she rejected his offer of assistance. Story goes she told him she'd already phoned AAA. He did not believe this due to lack of cell phone reception in the area. How about this one? Earlier that day, she had phoned Wakefield, someone had then returned her call from an area somewhere north of Wakefield within a 22-mile radius of cell phone tower at Londonderry. Maura and this unknown individual may have been traveling together, but in separate vehicles. Maura had not accepted SBD's offer of assistance as she anticipated the person traveling with her to VT was somewhere shortly behind on Route 112. Two options: travel companion arrived and transported her out of the area OR someone else arrived at the scene BEFORE her travel companion had arrived and this individual took her out of the area. Haverhill police officer then arrived and Maura is not around. No residents saw who picked Maura up because she may have headed out of the area on foot and was picked up by mystery person out of residents' viewing range down the highway.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

Some time ago I posted a few lines about the theoretical possibility of a theoretical link between the rag found stuffed into the tailpipe of Maura´s car and the container/bottle/vessel smelling vaguely of alcohol that Haverhill police officer Cecil Smith found under Maura´s Saturn after it had been towed away from its resting place on Rte 112.
I was asking whether anybody here could see some kind of possible connection between the rag in the tailpipe and the alcohol-smelling container found beneath Maura´s car.
I haven´t seen any suggestions posted, so here it goes then:
Would it be at all feasible that Maura was subdued by a passing motorist by having an ether/chloroform rag pressed to her face?
Yes, I know that this might seem melodramatic in the extreme, but in theory this could conceivably be a possible link between the by most accounts quite clean cloth/rag pushed into the tailpipe of the Saturn and that alcohol-smelling fluid found beneath the car?
Am I being completely fancyful here?
Some ideas, please!

Why would a perp take his time to shove a chloroform soaked rag up the tail pipe? Wouldn´t he rather have wanted to take it with him so as not to leave any avidence at the scene? I doubt this theory also partly b/c of the accident scene being in plain sight of several homes, and partly b/c the liquid in the container was said to have been red in color and smelled of alcohol. Chloroform is colorless and has a very charactheristic sweet smell that cannot be mistaken for alcohol.

oo00oo wrote:

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SBD WAS NOT A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER. Please do not research Topix for factual info. on Maura Murray. You can add Wikileaks too..this is updated with unverified info.

I meant Wikipedia..

Snowy wrote:

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she was positively identified by whom?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmm, perhaps Butch Atwood?

Who do YOU THINK he spoke to? Zombie Body Snatchers? Seriously, how wacky are yo going to get here?

Frostman wrote:

The real question is: How much reward money is required to have someone come forward with more information that will lead to an arrest and conviction?$250,000?$500,000? More?
Somebody somewhere knows something about the evening Maura disappeared. Someone came home late or not at all and proffered a seemingly legitimate explanation that never sat right with their significant other. An employee was unusually late for work on February 10th or 11th, 2004. A vehicle was fastidiously scrubbed clean. A chainsaw was borrowed. A spouse had an unaccounted for absence. Could hypnosis could help a witness remember a licence plate?
How much money would it take for you to go to LE with possibly incriminating information on a friend, a co-worker or a loved one?

Hubby bought a chainsaw a while ago and he was late for work this morning. Do you think he´s up to something?