Maura Murray

Lady Gray wrote:

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I see you as an instigator and your postings further perpetuate a division that started years ago. The wording of your reply is exactly as I guessed it would be.....I timed to see how long it would take. You are too predictable.

looks like the guard is changing-up again...rotating in and out of Topix...some things never change.

Det Columbo wrote:

How many people on this forum have seen the car face to face...so to speak? I think the answer will be (One) 1 and that will be a Former LE.

Saw it at F troop, not up close though.

Frostman wrote:

Columbo,
Are you proposing that there was a slip-slide/minor snow bank crunch at the WB corner and that MM, after untangling herself from the airbags and realizing she could limp off in the Saturn did so... only to be halted by someone in another vehicle?
The headlight damage could also be caused by clunking into a cement post such as the ones they have at gas stations to keep motorists from running into fuel tanks or gas pumps.

I don't think much happened with the Saturn at the WB curve. But that is the last place Maura or the driver who looked like Maura disappeared/went missing.

jwb wrote:

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Ok Snowey then what are your facts thats she just ran away and wasn't picked up somewhere down the road from her car? You seem to know all the answers so how about an answer.

FEW.FACTS.ARE.KNOWN. the rest is fiction.

apparently, she is the daughter of Fred and Laurie; has sibs.
attended WP; transferred to UMASS Amherst; enrolled in the nursing program.
in a relationship with Billy Rausch.
disappeared, presumably, from the location where her car was found in NH on Feb. 9 '04.

the official investigation is in the hands of the cold case unit.

Renner is researching and writing a book.

bored yet by the repetition? i know how it feels.

FEW FACTS ARE KNOWN; WILD SPECULATION HAS BEEN USELESS.

awaiting Renner's update.

Beagle wrote:

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Maybe Aftermath understands your post, but I have no idea what it means. Email me something more straightforward, less enigmatic. Thanks.

When You see Aftermath ask him about a present He gave Me. Then We can be on the same page.

Snowy wrote:

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looks like the guard is changing-up again...rotating in and out of Topix...some things never change.

The guard? Ohhh Snowy, don't let your paranoia show. My postings are entirely of my own choice and not in co-hoots nor in conjunction with anyone else. There is NO conspiracy.

This is precisely what I was saying when I said that your postings further perpetuate divisions. This is a prime example.

Det Columbo wrote:

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What I am stating is that IMHO there was no collision w/ the snowbank at the Saturns location when it was found. The damage to the Saturn was not done by a snowbank, even a frozen solid one.

Just wondering. How many days after the accident did you see with your own eyes the the trees and banking where her car hit?
After hearing it on the scanner and driving by there to go to the store the next day it was obvious that a car had been in an accident there. The marks were there and that's why I'm wondering when exactly you saw it. Two days later, a week later, two weeks later?

Lady Gray wrote:

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The guard? Ohhh Snowy, don't let your paranoia show. My postings are entirely of my own choice and not in co-hoots nor in conjunction with anyone else. There is NO conspiracy.
This is precisely what I was saying when I said that your postings further perpetuate divisions. This is a prime example.

Wow I come back after a couple of days and and it feels like I've gone back in time. Hope we don't have to go thru all the name calling, insults and BS all over again. I just barely stored my waders away for the winter. Jeesh

Snowy wrote:

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FEW.FACTS.ARE.KNOWN. the rest is fiction.
apparently, she is the daughter of Fred and Laurie; has sibs.
attended WP; transferred to UMASS Amherst; enrolled in the nursing program.
in a relationship with Billy Rausch.
disappeared, presumably, from the location where her car was found in NH on Feb. 9 '04.
the official investigation is in the hands of the cold case unit.
Renner is researching and writing a book.
bored yet by the repetition? i know how it feels.
FEW FACTS ARE KNOWN; WILD SPECULATION HAS BEEN USELESS.
awaiting Renner's update.

As you are aware renner has his own site, if you are board on this site then why are you here? That is the fact I was looking for . Are you related to one of the locals that was supposedly bashed ? No names required just a yea or nea and we might then understand you. Can't you see that you bash everyone? It is like someone that stands on the Glosta shoreline and says" I hate when the Waves come in because I don't like to get wet."

You might want top get off the beach Dah

Det Columbo wrote:

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When You see Aftermath ask him about a present He gave Me. Then We can be on the same page.

Now this is very interesting.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Just wondering. How many days after the accident did you see with your own eyes the the trees and banking where her car hit?
After hearing it on the scanner and driving by there to go to the store the next day it was obvious that a car had been in an accident there. The marks were there and that's why I'm wondering when exactly you saw it. Two days later, a week later, two weeks later?

So where were the marks? I did not see them when I went by days later and it had not snowed.

What did You hear on the scanner that night?

No crash whatsoever at WB corner yet air bags are deployed?

Let me crawl back onto the turnip truck.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Wow I come back after a couple of days and and it feels like I've gone back in time. Hope we don't have to go thru all the name calling, insults and BS all over again. I just barely stored my waders away for the winter. Jeesh

wowzer it is snowey again and people are just plain sick of her crap.
she adds nothing,says she is board,says same ol same ol and then craps on others for posting their thoughts. Go back and read all her posts if you want same ol.There was good conversation going on till she threw a turd as Bill would put it.

Det Columbo wrote:

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The saturn did not hit the snowbank on the Westbound lane in front of the Westman's house. According to accident reconstructionist the accident more than likely did not happen at this location. The car definitely DID NOT hit the tree or trees at that location. No scarring on the tree. Hmmmmmm.

If it didn't happen there then how did the car get stuck in the snowbank. How could you not hit a snowbank but be stuck in one. In Feb. the banks are as hard as rocks and could do plenty of damage to a car. Doesn't make sense .

It must be pretty hard to drive a car with the airbags deployed. Steering must be VERY Difficult.

Det Columbo wrote:

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So where were the marks? I did not see them when I went by days later and it had not snowed.
What did You hear on the scanner that night?

The marks were in the snow and bank. Don't remember what the weather was that week but if it was warm days maybe there was some now melt. The snow may have been winged back to make room for more also. If you didn't see it till days later depending on the weather the scene could have changed.
I heard on the scanner what has already been said on these forums. The only thing I didn't hear was a second accident that night which is why I've been so adamant that it didn't happen.
I know lots of things columbo but when your words are attacked everytime you open your mouth you tend to keep your mouth shut.
The thing that I don't know is what happened to Maura that night after she left her car.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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The marks were in the snow and bank. Don't remember what the weather was that week but if it was warm days maybe there was some now melt. The snow may have been winged back to make room for more also. If you didn't see it till days later depending on the weather the scene could have changed.
I heard on the scanner what has already been said on these forums. The only thing I didn't hear was a second accident that night which is why I've been so adamant that it didn't happen.
I know lots of things columbo but when your words are attacked everytime you open your mouth you tend to keep your mouth shut.
The thing that I don't know is what happened to Maura that night after she left her car.

I understand what You are saying Wowzer, the car MIGHT have hit the bank. I am just trying to get it straight for the other people. The car was actually parallel with the road and not stuck according to the accident report. It was even stated by FD and EMS "I don't know why she didn't just drive away."

When You heard all this on the scanner that night and KNEW the accident was right outside Your door....Did You go to look out the window or go outside? When You heard that statement "NO IDEA WHERE THE FEMALE WENT" Did You maybe happen to go out then and maybe try to help. Were You one of the locals who helped search that night?

jwb wrote:

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wowzer it is snowey again and people are just plain sick of her crap.
she adds nothing,says she is board,says same ol same ol and then craps on others for posting their thoughts. Go back and read all her posts if you want same ol.There was good conversation going on till she threw a turd as Bill would put it.

I wish you were here before to know the history here. I think you would be a little bit more understanding. Being a local I doubt you would want yourself or your family to be called illiterate, rats in a nest that needs to be Lysoled and accused of having incest. These were just a couple of the things said about the locals who only tried to get help to Maura that night. Some of the posters coming back here had joined in the bashing or allowed it to continue by not standing up and saying it was wrong. Shack was the biggest hater and basher of all.
There were several locals on the older forums but most got so hurt and upset by the continuous bashing that they left. Snowy saw the bashing on topix when it first started and so did WTH/Bill.
Not making excuses for anything but just giving you a small piece of history so you'll be more knowledgeable of the past.

Just to clarify one thing Wowzer.

You have stated previously that the car was located into the snowbank and small trees on The Marrottes front lawn. Is this statement true or false.

It makes not much difference, but if We are trying to get facts straight this is one I would like to clear up.

Thank You

Det Columbo wrote:

It must be pretty hard to drive a car with the airbags deployed. Steering must be VERY Difficult.

I imagine it would be IF a car was driven after deployment.