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Poppy wrote:
Wowzer,
Mate, I'm tired and I'm sort of done here but, in short, while there's an assumption I've not read the full history of the forum, it's a groundless one. I'm a journalist. I spend 90% of my day researching, 5% talking to people and 3% writing. The other 2% I spend in the pub. I have read the history here and I appreciate that there has been some abusive and unpleasant behaviour and language used and that threats have made people genuinely frightened.
Wherever that comes from, it's wholly wrong. However, when people become impassioned about things on forums, some become insensitive. People happily type things they'd never say and some form opinions they'd be less likely to hold if they encountered things in real situations.
Do I believe there's a conspiracy afoot? I certainly don't believe there's a conspiracy involving Maura's family, the police or anyone else. Do I believe innocent people have been hounded? Absolutely. I've read whole communities being slandered on here.
However, at the heart of such abuse is the very behaviour I describe (IMHO) and I largely think it stems from one or two people who assume multiple online 'personalities' and fight with themselves online to drum up a battle of bile and hatred between others. All bullying and intimidation is wrong, end of. Accusing innocent people of murder is as bad as it gets.
I can't say more than that. Other than, if people offend you, just leave. The forum isn't real.
The only reality is a missing 21yr old girl but that's not your reality. You didn't know her.
Godspeed.
Why do you say she is 21 years old?
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Who were on the the Hadley MA and UMass PD rosters in 2003 and early 2004?
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Agreed, but I would take it a step further. The Murray family CHOSE to NOT muzzle, or even tone down, the vituperation of their proxy savages. The Murray family never distanced themselves from even the most vicious attacks, thus tacitly endorsing them.
ABSOLUTELY.
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Anyone else see the post by "kitten" (ISP location: Amherst MA) that referred to Maura's having been pulled over on Rt. 47 in Hadley MA? Was that kitten's last post? Has anyone ever heard anything like Maura was pulled over on Rt. 47 (as distinct from the Corolla crash)?

I see that post 2329 on the Amherst MA thread is missing. Was that the post by kitten about Maura's having been pulled over?
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You are one of those evil, evil posters who have nothing but ice in their veins, who begin "to assume ownership over victims and missing people they never knew." Bad, bad hannah!
Yup, hands off of MY Maura.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Gee they don't have ducks in the UK? You know they are the birds that have webbed feet and feathers. They swim around in ponds and poop all over everything including the water. They don't seem to mind swimming in their own poop either. They also waddle around biting the butt of anything that gets in their way.
Strange creatures don't you think?
Another strange thing is that someone comes from another country and jumps into a new forum (to them)and starts telling posters that have been here for years how they should act, going so far as to tell them they should set up a closed forum for themselves.
You have no idea of the history and until you take the time to read all the past posts you shouldn't condemn anyone.
the history is that some have complained as to what other posters have said about NH people in the past. And when one comes on and posts positive experiences they have had with the people from NH they complain about that.

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Advocate wrote:
I'm descended from...
Spare us "From the Manor Born" drivel. You're quick to pounce on us when we post information obtained directly from accredited news sources that you haven't bothered to suss out yourself.

Flame me! I have the haz-mat suit at the ready.

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Poppy wrote:
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Mate, I'm tired and I'm sort of done here but, in short, while there's an assumption I've not read the full history of the forum, it's a groundless one. I'm a journalist. I spend 90% of my day researching
So this clueless individual thinks reading the crap here puts them in the know? Just shows how clueless s/he is about how long this has been going on and how many sources there were.

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Frostman wrote:
<quoted text>Flame me! I have the haz-mat suit at the ready.
Wow! Just so you know. Hazmat suits do nothing to protect from flame.

Bill

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>the history is that some have complained as to what other posters have said about NH people in the past. And when one comes on and posts positive experiences they have had with the people from NH they complain about that.
Wow you just want to keep things going don't you. This begs for a repeat of post #5373 Pg.261. And I'll add that I'm still waiting but no longer holding my breath.
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Yes citigirl please tell shack how nice and helpful the locals were. And while you're at it feel free to tell her that she was wrong in calling us illiterate, rats in a nest and that we should all be sprayed with Lysol and.....that is not attacking her. That is just telling her that what she said was wrong about the kind people that helped you when you came here searching.
What shack did was attacking the locals for years. Now is your time to tell her she was wrong. Waiting with baited breath.***

***Wow, sure glad I didn't wait around today for you to stand up for those helpful locals and tell their biggest attacker that she was wrong. Please don't insult me any further with your talk about how much you told everyone how wonderful, helpful and open armed the locals were while all the while you helped enable the bashing against them by saying nothing.
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post. You did NOTHING to stand up for the people that were trying to help you find Maura.***
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Frostman wrote:
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Spare us "From the Manor Born" drivel. You're quick to pounce on us when we post information obtained directly from accredited news sources that you haven't bothered to suss out yourself.
Flame me! I have the haz-mat suit at the ready.
Excuse me? I have not pounced on ANYONE in this forum about ANYTHING. I've only posted 3 or 4 times in the last week or so and prior to that, nothing for a couple of years. If you think I have posted something negative, please show me where.
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Wow! I always just thought she had a meltdown, ran away, crashed her car while tight, locked and left the vehicle before fleeing to the hills with a bag full of booze.

I thought the logical conclusion was that, being lost and drunk, she died somewhere remote of hypothermia. That gets you much quicker when you've been drinking of course.

Obviously, I don't know any of this but it is the most probable scenario so I'll stick with it thanks. At least until I see a shred of evidence for anything else.

As to her state of mind? Does it really matter? Sure, her father's weird. What kind of person tells their kids they're going to drink themselves to death in the mountains or says they didn't reprimand their kid for causing thousands of Dollars in damage to their vehicle???? Yep - weird. I bet he feels guilty and guilt does funny things. If I felt that guilty I might look for a scapegoat too. Would be an awful thing to do but I might.

A lot of dysfunctional families cover up and lie but while that might explain some of Maura's state of mind it doesn't have any bearing on what PROBABLY happened to his kid on that particular night. and - like I say - I'll wait to see some evidence of anything else until I change my mind. I'll keep it open though. Just in case but the chances of her being abducted and murdered? Ridiculously slim.
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Before you start with the new comers are BAD abuse, I posted on here at the start before all the posts got pulled. I've been lurking since all the “30 days and counting/big surprise” shit.

Things seem to get crazier over time & TBH, the craziest people posting yesterday weren't even posting back then.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Wow you just want to keep things going don't you. This begs for a repeat of post #5373 Pg.261. And I'll add that I'm still waiting but no longer holding my breath.
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Yes citigirl please tell shack how nice and helpful the locals were. And while you're at it feel free to tell her that she was wrong in calling us illiterate, rats in a nest and that we should all be sprayed with Lysol and.....that is not attacking her. That is just telling her that what she said was wrong about the kind people that helped you when you came here searching.
What shack did was attacking the locals for years. Now is your time to tell her she was wrong. Waiting with baited breath.***
***Wow, sure glad I didn't wait around today for you to stand up for those helpful locals and tell their biggest attacker that she was wrong. Please don't insult me any further with your talk about how much you told everyone how wonderful, helpful and open armed the locals were while all the while you helped enable the bashing against them by saying nothing.
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post. You did NOTHING to stand up for the people that were trying to help you find Maura.***
keep this post handy for reference, Wowzer...i'm sure you'll need it again.

you write: "You did NOTHING to stand up for the people that were trying to help you find Maura."

yes...this self-identified "family" member refuses to own up to her act of commission.

and by her failure to acknowledge and/or retract the blame and insults made to local NH residents in the name of MM, her refusal to do so reflects badly on MM's family in the public view on Topix and where forums carried these targeted insults.

it is doubtful anyone can drive that point home; there is little more to say in this regard.
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correction: this self-identified "family" member remains steadfast in her refusal to own up to her acts of OMISSION.
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Beagle wrote:
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It sounds as if nearly every poster on this thread strongly believes - as a matter of incontestable fact - that SBD spoke with Maura at the site of the Saturn's crash immediately after the crash occurred.
There are all kinds of disagreements and mud fights on this thread, but the real unifying factor here is the repeated statement/assumption that Maura was in fact at the WB Curve and spoke with SBD.
Bumping - Do you absolutely believe SBD talked with Maura? If so, why? If you *almost* totally believe Maura spoke with SBD at the WB curve, where do you peg the probability? 99 percent? 90 percent? Pretty high, I assume?
Thanks.
Beagle,

No, I don´t absolutely believe that SBD/Butch Atwood was talking with Maura.
I believe it likely that it was most likely Maura, but in all honesty who could possibly say with a hundred percent certainty that Mr Atwood´s ID of the Saturn driver was absolutely foolproof.
How could it have been under the circumstances in the darkness?
None of us could have been absolutely certain of the identity of the Saturn driver considering the conditions at hand at the time of the accident.
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So much for being open to all possibilities in this confounding case...
So many blinkers and pre-conceived notions!
Why am I not in the least surprised?

Seriously, how many of you would have been 100% confident of identifying the Saturn driver by the WB curve as Maura Murray.
Yes, the young lady was most likely Maura, but there is absolutely no way to know for sure.
Pretending otherwise is, frankly speaking, absolute nonsense.
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people still having fun with proxy locations/monikers this morning. lol
what's the problem with saying what you mean and meaning what you say? at the very least, it attaches some measure of credibility to one's statements over the longer term....and doesn't look like this is going away any time soon.
must be a need for creating drama...where there is none. odd.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
So much for being open to all possibilities in this confounding case...
So many blinkers and pre-conceived notions!
Why am I not in the least surprised?
Seriously, how many of you would have been 100% confident of identifying the Saturn driver by the WB curve as Maura Murray.
Yes, the young lady was most likely Maura, but there is absolutely no way to know for sure.
Pretending otherwise is, frankly speaking, absolute nonsense.
i'm less than 80% confident that BA's identifying her was accurate, and it makes we wonder if she never drove her car to NH, or if she did, that she was or wasn't separated from her car before it was found in its final location. conclusions drawn from any of this are opinion...and opinions don't count in the official investigation.
oh....and i am not casting any smidge or iota of doubt against BA, his intentions or his credibility!

while i do many things exceptionally well, i am less visually attuned than others to focus on the minutiae when, for example, i enter a new room....i may not fully take in decorative details until the second look.
have any of you reflected on what your spouse or children wore to the office or school on a particular day? unless i make a conscious effort, it isn't in my DNA to make that mental note.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Wow you just want to keep things going don't you. This begs for a repeat of post #5373 Pg.261. And I'll add that I'm still waiting but no longer holding my breath.
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Yes citigirl please tell shack how nice and helpful the locals were. And while you're at it feel free to tell her that she was wrong in calling us illiterate, rats in a nest and that we should all be sprayed with Lysol and.....that is not attacking her. That is just telling her that what she said was wrong about the kind people that helped you when you came here searching.
What shack did was attacking the locals for years. Now is your time to tell her she was wrong. Waiting with baited breath.***
***Wow, sure glad I didn't wait around today for you to stand up for those helpful locals and tell their biggest attacker that she was wrong. Please don't insult me any further with your talk about how much you told everyone how wonderful, helpful and open armed the locals were while all the while you helped enable the bashing against them by saying nothing.
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post. You did NOTHING to stand up for the people that were trying to help you find Maura.***
It is sad to think when there have been positive things said about your community you are insulted. No matter how sad and tragic Mauras disappearence has been for our family it has given me the opportunity to meet alot of kind and caring people in your community that have given there hearts and souls to help find a missing young girl they have never met. Not telling you what to do but maybe instead of focousing on the negative postings about your community you should be proud of your community for all the good things they have done on Mauras behalf.

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