Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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it remains to be seen what renner is or isn't. he does make the connections and attaches his name to the interviews he snags, however. usually a higher reality content than the high bouncin' BS found on Topix. a contributor.

I support independent journalistic initiatives. There are, however, many Twitter defamation suits coming to the fore. There might be a reason that XX's RMSMc's blog which was also linked via Twitter was removed.

All I'm putting forth (purely speculative and with no professional knowledge) is that any on-line defamation of a specific individual (without proof) may be subject to a lawsuit down the line. Given the statute of limitations in any jurisdiction a plaintiff might be able to subpoena prior writings/postings as evidence in a such a defamation suit.

If "140 characters or less" delivered via an anonymous Twitter account is not immune to a lawsuit then nor are postings on Topix or any other forum.

FrmLE wrote:

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Hahah, no snowy I just had some time to kill today and had gotten a little nauseaus from all of the arm chair detectives playing dress up like they have a clue.
Like that petchulant puppy that gets a little obnoxious and needs a firm slap on the nose after crapping on the carpet, so do these wananbees need a swift smack on the nose to put them back in their place.
Todays smack on the nose brought to you by a hasty business trip, Logan Airport, and JetBlue Airlines.
Have a nice day.:)

sounds like a jaunt to NYC. happy weekend.

Frostman wrote:

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I support independent journalistic initiatives. There are, however, many Twitter defamation suits coming to the fore. There might be a reason that XX's RMSMc's blog which was also linked via Twitter was removed.
All I'm putting forth (purely speculative and with no professional knowledge) is that any on-line defamation of a specific individual (without proof) may be subject to a lawsuit down the line. Given the statute of limitations in any jurisdiction a plaintiff might be able to subpoena prior writings/postings as evidence in a such a defamation suit.
If "140 characters or less" delivered via an anonymous Twitter account is not immune to a lawsuit then nor are postings on Topix or any other forum.

a professional writer should be exquisitely aware of legal boundaries and act within those confines.

mcsmom,

Would you possibly know (from Mrs M at the Stage Stop Store) the approximate age of the presumably NY state man driving a Volvo (?) with NY plates, who in 2007 made enquiries at the store about Maura while posing as a journalist?
Thanks.

Frostman wrote:

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I support independent journalistic initiatives. There are, however, many Twitter defamation suits coming to the fore. There might be a reason that XX's RMSMc's blog which was also linked via Twitter was removed.
All I'm putting forth (purely speculative and with no professional knowledge) is that any on-line defamation of a specific individual (without proof) may be subject to a lawsuit down the line. Given the statute of limitations in any jurisdiction a plaintiff might be able to subpoena prior writings/postings as evidence in a such a defamation suit.
If "140 characters or less" delivered via an anonymous Twitter account is not immune to a lawsuit then nor are postings on Topix or any other forum.

Too bad the SBD isn't still around. He'd have a hell of a defamation suit depending how far back the statute of limitation goes.

Snowy wrote:

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a professional writer should be exquisitely aware of legal boundaries and act within those confines.

Exactly. While my mind is still open I hope that more investigating is done and truth is seperated from BS before innocent people's names and pictures are put on a public blog with the hint that they might not be on the up and up. Some of us have seen the aftermath of what happens when names are made public. Doesn't take long for a lynch mob to get together.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

mcsmom,
Would you possibly know (from Mrs M at the Stage Stop Store) the approximate age of the presumably NY state man driving a Volvo (?) with NY plates, who in 2007 made enquiries at the store about Maura while posing as a journalist?
Thanks.

I'm sorry, she didn't say. I gathered from what she said was that he was alone, and she was quick to recall his visit as it was the first thing she mentioned while we were introducing ourselves.

She also mentioned that her husband had to get rid of him, so I guess from that you might envision someone not so young or so old that she couldn't dismiss him herself.

04-12-2004, 02:16 AM #3


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Re: Where is Maura Murray?

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> This is getting ridiculous, where could she be? Are there any
> updates? Have they stopped looking for her?

At this point, it's pretty obvious they are looking for a body. Once you
look in the immediate area, there isn't much you can do except wait for a
tip to come in and follow up on the ones that do.

Her family had people at the university start an email chain letter a couple
of weeks ago. You have to feel sorry for these people, and such sad
desperate measures.

I found the above posts tucked inside a digital photography website a long time ago,(monikers removed for this post).

Always had a strange feeling about it.

At some point in the past, it was said that Maura was wearing "flats" that day/night. Don't know how that was determined, but I think it came from family. Assuming the flats were slip-ons, like loafers, how likely would it be that if Maura did enter the woods, she got very far? I'm thinking about roughly 2 feet of old snow that would hide fallen branches, clumps of vines, drops and small hollows, large rocks and etc. Seems to me that even a tipsy panicked person would not get far in such terrain even in hiking boots without taking a sobering tumble. In the dark too. I'm speaking here from personal experience in such conditions ... What do you knowledgeable guys think?

Advocate wrote:

At some point in the past, it was said that Maura was wearing "flats" that day/night. Don't know how that was determined, but I think it came from family. Assuming the flats were slip-ons, like loafers, how likely would it be that if Maura did enter the woods, she got very far? I'm thinking about roughly 2 feet of old snow that would hide fallen branches, clumps of vines, drops and small hollows, large rocks and etc. Seems to me that even a tipsy panicked person would not get far in such terrain even in hiking boots without taking a sobering tumble. In the dark too. I'm speaking here from personal experience in such conditions ... What do you knowledgeable guys think?

Advocate,
Thanks for this information.
Just a thought: How would family possibly know what kind of shoes Maura was wearing this particular night? They weren´t there after all.

mcsmom wrote:

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I'm sorry, she didn't say. I gathered from what she said was that he was alone, and she was quick to recall his visit as it was the first thing she mentioned while we were introducing ourselves.
She also mentioned that her husband had to get rid of him, so I guess from that you might envision someone not so young or so old that she couldn't dismiss him herself.

mcsmom,
Thanks for this added information.
For some reason I think that this observation is important.
I definitely believe that this man must have been deeply affected by Maura´s disappearance one way or other.
Perhaps he was the man from New City,NY, that Maura apparently had been calling on numerous occasions prior to her disappearance from UMass Amherst.
Any ideas, anyone?

Advocate wrote:

At some point in the past, it was said that Maura was wearing "flats" that day/night. Don't know how that was determined, but I think it came from family. Assuming the flats were slip-ons, like loafers, how likely would it be that if Maura did enter the woods, she got very far? I'm thinking about roughly 2 feet of old snow that would hide fallen branches, clumps of vines, drops and small hollows, large rocks and etc. Seems to me that even a tipsy panicked person would not get far in such terrain even in hiking boots without taking a sobering tumble. In the dark too. I'm speaking here from personal experience in such conditions ... What do you knowledgeable guys think?

There was definitely much less than 2 feet of snow that year in the area-I have pictures SOMEWHERE of my backyard the weekend immediately prior to her disappearance and you can see grass in the open areas and among the trees (I'm very close to the site) As for walking into the woods with flats, there would've definitely been footprints or at least cracks in the icy parts of the snowtops and would be very slippery as well. As for the flats, I hadn't read that--I had read sneakers of some type---some site actually even had a picture of the style of shoe---way back when -- I'd say a forum less than 2 years after her disappearance.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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mcsmom,
Thanks for this added information.
For some reason I think that this observation is important.
I definitely believe that this man must have been deeply affected by Maura´s disappearance one way or other.
Perhaps he was the man from New City,NY, that Maura apparently had been calling on numerous occasions prior to her disappearance from UMass Amherst.
Any ideas, anyone?

Fred? In a rental car?

My family would be able to work out which shoes I was wearing through a simple process of elimination.

All this forum has become is a playground for hysterical attention seekers. More often than not, the simpler , more ordinary explanation is the real one.

Think about this, Those of us who REALLY get into the deep woods. I am a hiker, I snowshoe, I do archery, muzzleloader and rifle season. I am retired and spend countless hours weekly year round in the woods NOT ON TRAILS. I can count on ONE HAND the amount of remains from dead animals seen, deer, moose, bear that I have seen, this includes as well as the usual one or two friends that hike with me and we split up.

Take into account how many miles of wilderness Maura had at her disposal, nasty steep thick terrain the majority of people avoid. To say she should have been found by now is absurd. The elderly lady from what I understand was found on a trail, and the manpower involved was tremendous.

They also had a starting point point which we DON'T have with Maura. They had an elderly lady limited in her endurance verses an all out athlete.

I have helped track game animals that were shot and even with a blood trail and 5 people when the blood trail ends its a daunting task to recover the animal and sadly there have been times it didn't happen.

I feel searching for the plane is a valid comparison, because we don't know where Maura went into the woods IF she did. And we don't have a valid search grid and all of this was the same case with the plane, a much bigger object that reflects sunlight and doesn't decompose.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> Fred? In a rental car?

looking4amoose,

Possibly.
However, I do tend to think that Fred Murray would likely have been recognised by Mr & Mr M-n at the Swiftwater store.
Probably not Fred Murray, IMHO.

jwb wrote:

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she could walk 300 feet into the woods but I find it highly unlikely that she would walk 300 feet into the woods in the middle of winter with sneakers on. For what purpose would she walk into the woods 300 feet?

I find three statements ominous: Maura " a death in the family " Fred " I hope she didn't do the Squaw walk " Fred " when I'm no use anymore I'm going to the top of the mountain with a bottle and end it all " not verbatim but it amounts to what he said. Maura could have tried to or did get to the top of a hill or mountain to carry out Fred's death wish. And then we have Not without peril.

I think one thing is being overlooked, IF and LIKELY she was suffering from hypothermia ALL logic is out the window. These people often disrobe even though their core temperature is dropping to a critical level. They become delusional and the fact she was wearing sneakers would have had likely ZERO bearing on her thought process and pain.

AS far as distance, I hike daily ( I'm retired ) and 1/4 to 1/2 mile in terrain can be covered in 10-20 minutes easily in many cases.

Here are the critical facts:
1. We have NO starting point, not even sure what road she may have cut into the woods from.

2. Thick woods, steep terrain that most people avoid year round.

3. As time progresses less and less evidence to be found due to decomposition and clothing rotting and being dragged of by rodents or other animals. The only solid things would be cell phone and empty bottles etc. All of these could easily be under the fallen leaves from the years transpired.

4. As I have stated due to statements made by Maura, her actions, her state of mind her trip was likely one of a major decision, life or death and her last accident sealed the deal. Alcohol lowers ones rational thinking combined with hypothermia she may have still been contemplating when mother nature made the decision for her.

jwb wrote:

FRMle: you also say that I am speculating yet you keep making inferences to Mauras frame of mind and you have no idea what her frame of mind was. The only thing you know is that Maura didn't want BA to call the police.

I have to agree with former LE, Maura ran off without notifying anyone in a vehicle that wasn't running properly. Maura bought Alcohol, and Tylenol PM. Maura had at least one emotional outburst, she wrecked Dad's car. She wasn't rational when she refused Butch calling for help at the accident scene in NH and left the scene.

People's actions and statements are what a psychologist uses to judge a persons frame of mind. I think Maura was a train wreck looking for a place to happen, and it happened in Swiftwater. I think she was taking a hiatus to evaluate her life and perhaps ending her life. Suicide is the second leading cause of death among college students. One sign is excessive drinking due to depression which only compounds the issue. Maura was said to have eating disorder issues, another sign.

She was an overachiever who had several failures, her relationship seemed to be unraveling, guilt from possibly cheating on Bill, feeling trapped in her relationship, bounced from West Point, drinking, wrecked Dads car, got caught fraudulently using a credit card and I am sure there are other things I missed or are unknown to us.

NHwoodshome,

I think the scenario you describe is so likely it's actually probable.

Sadly, some here don't want to consider likely scenarios: spoils their fun.

NHwoodshome wrote:

Think about this, Those of us who REALLY get into the deep woods. I am a hiker, I snowshoe, I do archery, muzzleloader and rifle season. I am retired and spend countless hours weekly year round in the woods NOT ON TRAILS. I can count on ONE HAND the amount of remains from dead animals seen, deer, moose, bear that I have seen, this includes as well as the usual one or two friends that hike with me and we split up.
Take into account how many miles of wilderness Maura had at her disposal, nasty steep thick terrain the majority of people avoid. To say she should have been found by now is absurd. The elderly lady from what I understand was found on a trail, and the manpower involved was tremendous.
They also had a starting point point which we DON'T have with Maura. They had an elderly lady limited in her endurance verses an all out athlete.
I have helped track game animals that were shot and even with a blood trail and 5 people when the blood trail ends its a daunting task to recover the animal and sadly there have been times it didn't happen.
I feel searching for the plane is a valid comparison, because we don't know where Maura went into the woods IF she did. And we don't have a valid search grid and all of this was the same case with the plane, a much bigger object that reflects sunlight and doesn't decompose.

again, your experience is quite reliable; i believe you, and the others who are familiar with the wooded NH environment. i've changed the view i once held which, like jwb, was that if she entered the woods, she'd have been found by now. clearly, the ravages of animals would alter that circumstance.

Scarinza insists the timely search was thorough, and as you say, it is unknown whether she might have entered the woods in another location away from where her car was found.