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Lost and not found wrote:

Don't you folks think that the investigators have all of the knowledge known..? Much more than the speculation that exists on this silly blog....

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just me wrote:

I can tell you I read it somewhere in the news in those earliest days and then I never saw it again. My recall was that it was a woman who spoke with Maura about calling AAA and was removed from the scene of the weathered barn. Like it happened BEFORE she got there. I remember it well because of what was going on for me at the time.
Why would anyone eliminate this from view? Maybe it was confirmed and the person could not have been Maura, or the person was never to be found again so they dropped it? It's something like the cottage hospital witness claiming an earlier time going by a scene with noone around. In a different location mind you.

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Lost and not found wrote:

Don't you folks think that the investigators have all of the knowledge known..? Much more than the speculation that exists on this silly blog....

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Well, here we are again. A conspiracy that never happened. This is how the conspiricy theories start. Someone thinks they remember a non-existant article about someone who was at the crash scene and this article has now been squashed. Seems mysterious. If it did exist, and I am not saying it did. It may have been inaccurate and that is why it was never repeated.
I have been here since the first MMM forum. The only "couple" who had any involvement with seeing Maura is as I remember, the two who viewed the accident scene from their home. They never went to the car. The only person to have contact with Maura at the crash scene was SBD. And no SBD and his wife were not a couple because SBD's wife as far as I remember never saw Maura.
If these other people existed I don't remember EVER hearing about them.
Anyone remember any other person/couple who talked with Maura at the crash scene?
The only woman that talked to Maura before the crash was the owner of one of the condo in Bartlett that Maura may have been trying to rent. That woman doesn't remember the conversation with Maura if it took place.
Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Yes they do and more.
Remember, this is for entertainment purposes.
A few of us stay to help keep things from spinning out of control with innuendo that eventually seems to become fact and at least one person who has made it her mission to malign the people of the area with lies and twists in logic that would make a LSD user blush. She seems under control now but the price to keep her under control is eternal vigilance.
Interest in the case still brings people who speculate, sometimes wildly about what might have happened. The latest in this has been the revival of the non-tree collision theory and a fascination with trailer hitches. It is always more useful to imagine that boogey men exist rather than believe that a young woman might have made a bad judgment call. Driven while likely impaired. And then instead of waiting at the car for public safety people, who were on the way. Decided to run from the scene and possibly get a ride to escape from the area.
Several of us are still here to help keep some perspective on things and the rumors from running wild.
Just think of some of us as fact checkers.
Bill

just me wrote:

<quoted text>It wasn't that this woman spoke to Maura at the crash scene by the WB. PI's keep implying there were two accidents in that area. Maybe it's true and maybe it's not. But I did read it Bill, and I agree it may have been dropped because it didn't matter.
People come on to this Topix ever so often to bring certain things up, AGAIN. I fall for it everytime. This doesn't really entertain me though and it's a drag when people veer away from the topic at hand.
There were two couples that witnessed the accident. One we know well, and the other who saw the flurry of activity while peeling the orange. Her husband,(the orange peeler), was the one who commented on the way SBD parked his bus.
When a PI comes here and seems confused about what's what and who's who, I tend to think they could use a brush up as well.
Anyway, thanks for pointing this out about the couple or lone woman who stopped at the scene,~ PURELY SPECULATION and of little no no importance.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>The people who do this on the forum are the ones who believe there was a first accident, that the car didn't get damaged right there. They seem to want to imply boogie men for the most part. Agreed?

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Euroobserver wrote:

If only more or less established "facts" are allowed to be regurgitated on these pages, then this Topix thread might just as well shut down for good.
Some speculative theories surely must be "allowed" here in order to keep the ideas flowing!
Fact-checkers are a good thing, but implied censorship of what is deemed allowed to write here...NOT so!
That smacks way too much of the old MMM forums, where divergent opinions, theories and discussions were discouraged.
I can see a similar development slowly appearing on this Topix forum as well and I deplore that.
Topix is supposed to be free of moderators, but I guess it´s human nature to try to influence the way discussions and debates are going...

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Euroobserver wrote:

If only more or less established "facts" are allowed to be regurgitated on these pages, then this Topix thread might just as well shut down for good.
Some speculative theories surely must be "allowed" here in order to keep the ideas flowing!
Fact-checkers are a good thing, but implied censorship of what is deemed allowed to write here...NOT so!
That smacks way too much of the old MMM forums, where divergent opinions, theories and discussions were discouraged.
I can see a similar development slowly appearing on this Topix forum as well and I deplore that.
Topix is supposed to be free of moderators, but I guess it´s human nature to try to influence the way discussions and debates are going...

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WTF-the-original wrote:

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Well, here we are again. A conspiracy that never happened. This is how the conspiricy theories start. Someone thinks they remember a non-existant article about someone who was at the crash scene and this article has now been squashed. Seems mysterious. If it did exist, and I am not saying it did. It may have been inaccurate and that is why it was never repeated.
I have been here since the first MMM forum. The only "couple" who had any involvement with seeing Maura is as I remember, the two who viewed the accident scene from their home. They never went to the car. The only person to have contact with Maura at the crash scene was SBD. And no SBD and his wife were not a couple because SBD's wife as far as I remember never saw Maura.
If these other people existed I don't remember EVER hearing about them.
Anyone remember any other person/couple who talked with Maura at the crash scene?
The only woman that talked to Maura before the crash was the owner of one of the condo in Bartlett that Maura may have been trying to rent. That woman doesn't remember the conversation with Maura if it took place.
Bill

Dawn wrote:

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and again another opportunity that technology could have proved if she talked to them or not. The local telco- of the condo unit could have checked to see if they received and incoming call from her wireless number - and it would have shown on their end the total number of minutes and time. Did that match up to Maura's wireless bill ? Where there other calls from UMASS to that number - perhaps using a calling card. For Vermont - that is either ATT/Verizon land - the landline calls would most likely be aable to be still traced today - for their POTS lines - regular phone - us carriers still use only archiac legacy systems........ they store everything and then some..
dont think it was ever done and doubt they will do it today either/

WTF-the-original wrote:

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The only woman that talked to Maura before the crash was the owner of one of the condo in Bartlett that Maura may have been trying to rent. That woman doesn't remember the conversation with Maura if it took place.
Bill

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hannah_b wrote:

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The only one WE have been told about. Since Fred KNEW Maura was headed to Bartlett, they must have found something that has not been made public.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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That is possible but since WE don't know that, YOU can't state that as fact. Fred said he KNEW that Maura was headed there, likely because they had spent so much time there in the past. WE don't know that there was any other reason he said that other than a fathers intuition.
Bill