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whitenoise wrote:

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I disagree, it is not Snowy wasting everyone's time. It was MMM, under the tight control of Helena Murray and Fred that wasted everyone's time by putting them on the wrong track and steering them in the wrong direction and by withholding information and by outright lying. They were more interested in coverup than in finding Maura.

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Snowy wrote:

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looks like Renner is editorializing to play the nice guy. to suggest the burden of responsibility would fall to UMASS is an absurdity.

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jwb wrote:

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whitenoise wrote:

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I disagree, it is not Snowy wasting everyone's time. It was MMM, under the tight control of Helena Murray and Fred that wasted everyone's time by putting them on the wrong track and steering them in the wrong direction and by withholding information and by outright lying. They were more interested in coverup than in finding Maura.

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whitenoise wrote:

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Snowy, I agree. Did you notice the icons on this post of yours? They're still out there, if not actively posting, they are definitely actively grading the posts of others.

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whitenoise wrote:

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No, what is it?

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Tom wrote:

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I find myself in agreement with Whitenoise once again. What Maura did and what her family did was uncalled for. They painted Maura is rose cover red, but bashed anyone who they thought was guilty. Fred would trespass on property and allow Butch Atwood to get smeared while he left out major information about his daughter. Had he just been honest with everyone from the start people wouldn't be so upset as they are now. Fall out is well deserved in this case.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Snowy,
Whatever you say...
But, that is hardly Maura´s fault.
She did not instigate any campaign against the local residents in NH. What her family and friends did or did not do is one thing, but Maura herself cannot reasonably be blamed for that.
She deserves our compassion, whatever her family friends might have done one way or other.
So, please, don´t bash Maura for other people´s actions or non-actions.
That is my point.
Thanks.

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Snowy wrote:

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Tom's harshly expressed words, after he probably began to realize various levels of betrayal to the public about this case, are an honest reaction to and a natural consequence of misleading and this offensive dishonesty.
now that their pants are down, this same group of people are begging for compassion from the public for a flawed (not perfect), sad, and damaged young woman who has disappeared. they did not "protect" her in order to encourage public support...they made a decision to point to others to distract and blame.
the shame points right back to them, not to Tom or anyone else who tires of the name/blame/withhold game.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

Lots of Maura haters turning up here recently.
A very sorry spectacle indeed.
Are you really such perfect individuals yourselves, leading such completely blameless lives?
Sanctimonious is the word and it makes me feel sick.

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Tom wrote:

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I'm also jealous of the amount of feedback you received from the icons

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Tom,
Aren´t you somehow managing to blame Maura for the actions or non-actions of her family and friends?
Maura herself surely cannot be held personally responsible for whatever her family and friends have been doing or not doing since her disappearance nearly eight years ago.
Or do you seriously think otherwise???

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Tom wrote:

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Snowy - This is exactly how I feel and I'm so glad you summed it up for me. You and I over the last of days fought over certain things regarding this story of the disappearance of Maura. I think we have been in agreement over the last couple of days. I have always been known for saying what is on my mind.
JWB- You are a good man as well and I have valued your posts and your patience. Are you not the least bit disappointed that we are now possible looking for felon vs. The All American Girl that we would brought on to believe.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Snowy,
Whatever you say...
But, that is hardly Maura´s fault.
She did not instigate any campaign against the local residents in NH. What her family and friends did or did not do is one thing, but Maura herself cannot reasonably be blamed for that.
She deserves our compassion, whatever her family friends might have done one way or other.
So, please, don´t bash Maura for other people´s actions or non-actions.
That is my point.
Thanks.

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Snowy wrote:

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your point is fair, except you must understand that the outrageous sideshow put on in the name of "finding" Maura has reflected badly not only on the perpetrators of the circus,
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innocents have been harmed in the name of MM
they have worn down and frustrated the goodwill of well meaning strangers
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they have, therefore, tested the limits of compassion and sympathy extended to Maura herself.
i have not "bashed" her.
i, and others, have merely pointed out that it is responsible to notify family and/or friends of one's whereabouts.

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jwb wrote:

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I am not disappointed at all Tom . Was it wrong that she stole cc numbers. Yes, of course it appears to be a desperate move. I am still interested in uncovering more facts as to what happened.
Just because someone is not squeeky clean does not mean they are not worthy of compassion and help.

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Tom wrote:

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I got a list of ganbangers who are mssing that can use your compassion and help.

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Tom wrote:

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Exactly the point she's gone and I think her family should now suffer the consequences that so many other innocent people in NH have.
I blame Maura for her actions and blame her parents for the wasting of others times they will never get back.

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jwb wrote:

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There is a difference between a gangbanger and a 21 year old girl that was accepted at West point and yes got off track (CC) with Pizza orders. I prefer to look at ones positive attributes until the bad out weigh the good. everyone is different I guess, but that is my outlook.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I don't think anyone hates Maura. When I saw her picture tonight on Renner's blog it didn't even look like the happy smiling girl we've seen in pictures over the years.
She had so much promise only to lose it. I feel sorry for her but I certainly don't feel dislike or hatred.