Maura Murray

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Dawn, I am the only one who mistakenly placed the information on a public forum, you will have to go to law enforcement for further information.

Anne
Did you know for $1.00 a dollar. 100 pennies..You can get the MM file on disc from the DOJ. Even includes Fred Murray's rental car information.......... and guess what. Your call is not in there.. So.......... it is public record.. People - don't think just the documents on Whitman Hanson are the only ones.. NO - FIOA.. there are thousands........ for a buck you could own a copy yourself. contact the DOJ of NH

Your call didn't make the cut.

Calypso Soldier wrote:

The westmans house is close to the road as well as the W.B. Marrottes house sits back off the rd, 100' ft. or so. CW house is also approx. 80 to 100" back from 112.
The stand of trees Maura supposedly hit would be somewhere between the end of the sharp curve and the beginning of The Marrottes actual lawn.
If it is the stand of three (3) trees then it would be between the tree with the ribbons and the beginning of The Marrottes actual lawn.
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WHITEWASH..
Please tell Me where the car really was when Lavoies pick it up.

thanks DC.. wow.. from the video from the car. You don't realize how close the houses are to the road. Looks like in WA but damn. they are RIGHT there - I do think everyone should go to the google site DC posted if you aren't from the area. hard to think somone could go missing with houses so close.. back roads here all have the houses sitting way back - so nothing like this where you could throw a hard snowball and hit the house.. i envisioned it totally different - even after seeing the video.. the houses are RIGHT there.. so that tells me.. a) she got in car and came upon foul play b) got in a car and left for valid reasons - very valid and people are being respectful.. this is so close to a home. if there was even a slight struggle.. people in the houses would have seen it or at least heard ( I know - no struggle) just saying.. lots of motion even would have been seen.. the houses are so close my first thought was.. do the snow banks get to be 8 to 10 feet? we get that in the north here when we have a bad winter. but the snow banks were NOT tall on feb 9th. so it has to be a or b.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Goodness gracious -- why are you paranoid? What reason could there possibly be for wanting to be able to be on a site where conversations can be held without being accused of anything other than wanting to - rationally - discuss the disappearance of a young lady?
And it's a sight where your postings get edited if one is rude or banned if they are repeatedly rude. Not for any reason other than that. Paranoia once again. Please don't misread anything into this.
I will never understand all of this.....I won't. It's beyond my comprehension as to why this type of mentality is adopted....

I'm not paranoid, just a little smarter and more careful than when I first came to these forums. Hmm, maybe it comes from watching 6 years of bashing, lies and fabricated information.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Goodness gracious -- why are you paranoid? What reason could there possibly be for wanting to be able to be on a site where conversations can be held without being accused of anything other than wanting to - rationally - discuss the disappearance of a young lady?
And it's a sight where your postings get edited if one is rude or banned if they are repeatedly rude. Not for any reason other than that. Paranoia once again. Please don't misread anything into this.
I will never understand all of this.....I won't. It's beyond my comprehension as to why this type of mentality is adopted....

That is mean. Just plain mean. You canNOT get to a more "personal" attack than calling someone "paranoid".

hannah_b wrote:

Was the reason for dropping the bomb re the relative at this particular time that this person recently passed away? Just wondering.

silly YOU dropped the bomb.. that is why all the "chatter". perfect name for it.. They are hoping no one paid attention to you .. or better yet you go away.. i need to email advocate. i think you are on there.. i will email her - need to i am going to her neck of the woods again for work and hope to see her again..I will send you a PM so we can talk. You dropped the bomb. btw .. people who aren't posting saw you dropped a bomb .. why else would people show up.. and can almost count the seconds after you said it.

Dawn wrote:

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Anne
Did you know for $1.00 a dollar. 100 pennies..You can get the MM file on disc from the DOJ. Even includes Fred Murray's rental car information.......... and guess what. Your call is not in there.. So.......... it is public record.. People - don't think just the documents on Whitman Hanson are the only ones.. NO - FIOA.. there are thousands........ for a buck you could own a copy yourself. contact the DOJ of NH
Your call didn't make the cut.

Why am I not surprised.
If we get a couple of nets I bet we could catch enough red herring to have a fishfry for the whole Topix forum.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I'm not paranoid, just a little smarter and more careful than when I first came to these forums. Hmm, maybe it comes from watching 6 years of bashing, lies and fabricated information.

WELL SAID.. ham or turkey?? LOL. anyways.. actually I dont know if i could handle the meaness they do to a new poster. you go from reading this sad story.. your intellect kicks in.. you think.. wait a minute there has to be more .. and no one wants to step on the eggshells.. so when you ask VALID quesions.. you wonder why you- are put on defense..and they say your paranoid.. quite contrare. i know i spelled that wrong.. it helps if you read my writing as a conversation.. LOL

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>Why am I not surprised.
If we get a couple of nets I bet we could catch enough red herring to have a fishfry for the whole Topix forum.

Not to mention it probably has been available since 07... people seeking the TRUTH found this info and low and behold. public record.. I wish I could take credit - I can't and that person chooses not to post anymore and will remain nameless.. they might show up one of these days.. this person saw red herrings and actually acted on it and seeked the truth and justice for maura. everyone here is entitled to a copy if they wish to have one. I was surprised.......... then when I thought about it.. I wasn't surprised at all.. In fact - felt like some people get used/used up around here- gasp.. on purpose..

Lady Gray wrote:

<quoted text>And it's a sight where your postings get edited if one is rude or banned if they are repeatedly rude. Not for any reason other than that.

LG, seriously, this is a load of crap.

My two posts were modified by the moderator only because her sensibilities were offended because I suggested in post that violating someones rights because - listen to this carefully - because there was one person, who wanted another person, to call the police on a third person, because they thought that the third persons child matched a 3 year old picture of a missing child.

I suggested that was ridiculous to do especially since that person who was "identifying" this child, using a three year old photo, and wasn't sure of the identity but this nitwit on the site insisted that they call the police or if they didnt' to transfer the information to the nitwit so that the nitwit could call the police on this innocent family and disrupt this families lives. Throwing an innocent family into a buzz saw is not something I consider acceptable and I strongly expressed my belief to that effect only to be rebuffed by the mod.

I had explained to the mod that I didn't take kindly to people modifying my posts and that I wouldn't tolerate that again.

My second indiscretion was making the text larger for someone to see who asked a question that I had already answered.

So she then removed the font command making the text smaller. It was at that point I responded to her and posted my displeasure with her actions asking her if she has some sand in her vagina because she seemed to be very cranky and suggested she pound sand. I then ordered her to remove me from her site because I wanted nothing more to do with it. If I could pass one request to the scum-sucker that runs that site I would tell her to remove all my posts from that site. She doesn't deserve to have any of my posts on her site.

LG, please don't pretend that there is something noble going on with the Websloths forum. There are mostly very mediocre people with very narrow views and generally intolerant of anyone who questions the "anything we do is OK because our cause is so noble". I don't believe in that philosophy and will always challenge that thinking. The means does not justify the ends and that philosophy is rampant on the site.

Bill

Dawn wrote:

anne also for what is worth... as the pointy boots brigade knows.. on advocates forum with the private messages - you need to know.. they all do NOT believe you. maybe in email to you personally they do. but i have to tell you.. be careful who you go to bat for - because that same bat maybe used against you.. I know for a fact that is TRUE. I know that when i was talking to them was true as well becuase I had messages and emails forwarded.. love your friends .. keep your enemies closer. i dont know if anyone ever told you and hate to do it on an open forum. just know.......... most dont believe that call ( pointy boots ) not the rest of us.( us too ) but your friends aren't who you think they are! that hurt but I feel better because i cringe everytime i see you put yourself out there knowing.. what i know.. and i was told this as a NEW poster. back then..

Dawn, there is no way to prove the facts of what I heard. Many facts here are accpted without proof. You are stating something I already knew. As far as EWB, I would never tell someone else what to say one way or another.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Dawn, there is no way to prove the facts of what I heard. Many facts here are accpted without proof.

there it is. an admission to the obvious. discussions of very little value, based on so few facts. similarly, accusations of implied wrongdoing continue to be suggested against local residents and authorities...all without proof. fantasy, not facts.
what goes around, comes around.

yada yada

Shack attack awesome!

Why you have zero interest in anything that anyone else!

All I know is that one Maura Murray sent an email to her Prof. she was off for a week!
She withdraw money and left town.
She didn't notify her family or friends.
She didn't accept Atwoods help!
She locked her car and left.

I am PLACING ALL BETS on the photographic evidence to prove that car was not in the road an on private property when it was removed.

Calypso Soldier wrote:

OK Whatever....
Whether they are on their front lawn or not...yada yada.
The question was to Whitewash:
Where did Lavoies actually pick the car up from ?
It was not on their lawn it was in the road wasn't it?
WOWZER... Do You know where the car actually was that night seeing YOU LIVE SO CLOSE.
I am who I am.

** FROM LADY GRAY ON WEBSLUETHS

PAST MAY
Well, imagine the coincidence of my reading this question at the same time that I'm cleaning documents off my "old" computer....one of these many documents consists of all of Sharon's posts from the first and second Maura Murray forum...

These are two of Sharon's postings, made at separate times, about this subject:

".....The car was locked and they unlocked it and started it with a spare key that was hidden somewhere on the car.(The spare key had been placed there sometime in mid Jan after Maura had to call AAA when she locked the keys in her car - this was before the mechanical problems)

Fred and Billy said the car was "driveable."

AND

"...I was told the keys were "gone" - so we have assumed that Maura had taken them.

Because it had only been a few weeks since Maura had locked herself out of the car and had called AAA, she (perhaps with advice from Fred since he knew where the spare was located) had placed a spare key in one of those magnetic key holders in some hidden location on the outside of the car.

Fred and Billy used this key and were able to determine that the car started right up, and therefore was driveable."

now.......... I wasn't around to know when sharon posted this but it totally contradicts what she says on ID. Since we can see its Sharon talking - I am taking her word on ID. She bought the AAA for Christmas ( BECAUSE SHE WAS HAVING CAR DIFFICULTY) IN FACT BOUGHT THE LONG DISTANCE TOWING.) now lady gray says she didn't have car trouble until January..
that makes NO sense.

see the sentance - " BEFORE THE MECHANICAL PROBLEMS" JANUARY - aaa bought for christmas -

??????? Huh.

what caused the problems - this statement already contradicts ID -( which I believe because I can see with my own eyes its sharon actually saying it).. what kind of problems? Or is this another - secret... was there a shop that had taken a look at the saturn? also - starting a car does NOT mean its drivable - that only means the engine turned over/on.. Ever have a flat tire? the car starts right up. the alignment could have been totally off. Did they drive the car or just start the engine.. HUGE DIFFERENCE anyone who has had a flat tire know this.

White Wash wrote:

yada yada
Shack attack awesome!
Why you have zero interest in anything that anyone else!
All I know is that one Maura Murray sent an email to her Prof. she was off for a week!
She withdraw money and left town.
She didn't notify her family or friends.
She didn't accept Atwoods help!
She locked her car and left.
I am PLACING ALL BETS on the photographic evidence to prove that car was not in the road an on private property when it was removed.
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WW

How come this has never been corrected in the media? I would think there would be at least someone who would try to correct the statement she dissappeared from a front yard opposed to a street. That is a big statement to make that could have alot of risk that comes along with such a statement. You know I respect you - I am just concerned because we have seen posts about how butch told her to put on her hazards because she WAS IN THE ROAD on a sharp curve? Also there was a dent in the snow bank from her car and billy and sharon personally saw this. I am befuddled why after two years and 100's of articles have been written about her and NOT one says she disappeared from private property. All of us can view ID on you tube. Are you saying that ID and Fred are not telling the truth when the camera pans to where the car was found? I just dont see how her car could jump the snow bank- they are hard as a rock - compact snow and ice. You can total a car hitting a snow bank.??? I just wonder why this took so long to come out and why the dispatch log does not reflect this either. they say - car in the road too.so that leads me to believe....... what changes if the car was in the YARD? nothing except unwarranted suspicion to the land owner.. I do NOT want that to happen. but I know others will come to that conclusion because it has never been discussed since I have been around. So why now? If I knew something was that off - base and was reported time and time again.. I would have said something.. like i did with londonberry ( i know derry - i like it as londonberry):-) Whats the payoff to bring it up now? And why for so many years did you have to keep it a secret? I am just curious. You know I like you.. It is just very strange to me.

Wow, a lot being said. It is so weird that so many things that should be fact can't even be substantiated. Was the car found in the road or on the lawn? Doesn't the police report sat the car was found in the road? And why would Fred get mad if someone looked in her car?

Why look at something that doesn't show the distants from the
property to the road on the computer when I can see in person and have and have photos of it?

Sadly you are wrong send DC running down with a tape measure!

Do you still have those powers to send people scurrying for you?

Calypso Soldier wrote:

Whitewash
Take a look at the google map. She was not on their lawn.
http://maps.google.com/maps...

Photos show tire tracks into the trees that are private property!
But what do I know!
The car was off the road or Atwood would have hit it head on!
Atwood was able to pull a BUS up along side of it!

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sara-Bermuda wrote:

Wow, a lot being said. It is so weird that so many things that should be fact can't even be substantiated. Was the car found in the road or on the lawn? Doesn't the police report sat the car was found in the road? And why would Fred get mad if someone looked in her car?

People tried! Took on a life of it's own!

The trees that she hit where down further across from the field
of Westman and almost in front of Marrotts!
There is a thin line of trees then lawn but it's still private
property!

Dawn wrote:

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WW
How come this has never been corrected in the media? I would think there would be at least someone who would try to correct the statement she dissappeared from a front yard opposed to a street. That is a big statement to make that could have alot of risk that comes along with such a statement. You know I respect you - I am just concerned because we have seen posts about how butch told her to put on her hazards because she WAS IN THE ROAD on a sharp curve? Also there was a dent in the snow bank from her car and billy and sharon personally saw this. I am befuddled why after two years and 100's of articles have been written about her and NOT one says she disappeared from private property. All of us can view ID on you tube. Are you saying that ID and Fred are not telling the truth when the camera pans to where the car was found? I just dont see how her car could jump the snow bank- they are hard as a rock - compact snow and ice. You can total a car hitting a snow bank.??? I just wonder why this took so long to come out and why the dispatch log does not reflect this either. they say - car in the road too.so that leads me to believe....... what changes if the car was in the YARD? nothing except unwarranted suspicion to the land owner.. I do NOT want that to happen. but I know others will come to that conclusion because it has never been discussed since I have been around. So why now? If I knew something was that off - base and was reported time and time again.. I would have said something.. like i did with londonberry ( i know derry - i like it as londonberry):-) Whats the payoff to bring it up now? And why for so many years did you have to keep it a secret? I am just curious. You know I like you.. It is just very strange to me.

Tim Westman has always stated he was confused since most people
crashed on the corner!
And many have and continue to crash on that corner!
Most wander over to the Westmans who open their
door and we've called for help already just like they
did with Miss Murray!

White Wash wrote:

Why look at something that doesn't show the distants from the
property to the road on the computer when I can see in person and have and have photos of it?
Sadly you are wrong send DC running down with a tape measure!
Do you still have those powers to send people scurrying for you?
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