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Jenkins wrote:
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I also find it very unlikely that the log was altered for a sinister purpose but it's very confusing as to why there would be this gap.
Especially when one bears in mind that the FOI request was for the time of the crash of Maura's car, which is clearly on the document. I never attribute to malevolence to what can be explained by incompetence (or a simple mistake).

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It's very possible that her backpack or some other belongings have been found but never were turned in to LE bc whoever found them thought that someone just lost them and had no idea it could b related to a dissapearance.
We have to remember that contrary to popular belief on this board that most people have never heard of Maura or this case, including locals.
I lived in the area for 12 ys and no one I ever mentioned this case to ever heard of it, including my roommate who lived in woodsville his entire life.
It sucks but it's true, the average Joe on the street in Nh has never heard of Maura Murray or her disappearance
I have found quite the contrary here actually---anyone that I have asked has known who Maura is and minor details of the accident and that she still has not been found nor has it been solved. Granted, I'm within a mile of where her vehicle was found---but only about 1/3 of the people actually live here--most have weekend or vacation homes here and are from Mass, RI, CT and VT---a few from FL and AZ. I would think knowledge is more widespread than you realize.

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The link was already posted by a couple different posters a page or 2 back.
I also find it very unlikely that the log was altered for a sinister purpose but it's very confusing as to why there would be this gap.
Is this common in grafton county or anywhere?
I just find it extremely odd that the log is missing the time before the crash, which is exactly the time in question about a possible earlier crash.
I'd say the more important question is why does the log state that she was travelling eastbound and her car was found facing westbound on the westbound side of the road, when we've been told all along that the car was facing westbound on the eastbound side of the road.
How is there so many questions about one simple car accident?
First of all the family was shown the wrong spot to where the car crashesd( near the big pine tree when it was actually 400' down the road)
& now we come to find out it was on the other side of the road?
What is going on here? At best it's bad recording/police procedure...but when there's a beautiful young college girl missing on top of it it begins to look potentially sinister.
Again, I'm not saying this is proof of anything. Clearly you'd never be able to prove anything either way by looking at these logs.
I'm just asking what the hell is going on here?
Is it common for police logs to be missing hours of times and have glaring inconsistencies?
Who would even have the power to change/remove things from the log, would the chief of Haverhill even b able to do that?
As with most things about this case the more info you see, the more questions it raises.
You would think the the police logs would at least not be a question.
Then you got columbo saying he's seen te entry for an accident st 7:03. Did this really happen or is he just making it up? Pretty f'd up to make something like that up IMO, but when it comes to this case I wouldn't put it past people.
I'm not qualified to answer many of your questions, but I did want to clear up one thing. I have seen three different versions of this log. One is posted on Renner's site, another posted on the mauramurraymissing site, and another that was emailed to me by a forum member. No where on any of the three I have seen is there an accident at 7:03. There is a blank space/gap, that could be a redaction. Or not. Why, I do not know. There may be a piece that Columbo and others have that I have not seen, and I am not saying he is lying. Just that there is not a version I have seen that states there was an accident at 7:03.

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Simply Sarcasm wrote:
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My apologies. You said I was 'wrong' and that I was trying to 'make you look bad.' In reality, I was neither. I was stating that you guys shouldn't have brought up the issue of her posts on other forums, and that they were bizarre, etc. and then expect no one to Google and try to figure it out - thinking it was of some relevance. That's all, Paris.
Thank you, it means alot to me to hear you say this. I just hate misunderstandings and really do care what people think. I try too hard to be clear most of the time that I come out looking like a dope on rerun pills.
I never said Bizarre either, just meant misterious, and that was for something else intirely that I did not explain.
Beth was my friend. I thought she was very nice and caring and giving of herself. I just didn't know some of the other things til she moved here, and showed me on her laptops. Lots of pics, copy/pastes and confidential info between PI's. Too bad I never had the chance to express the importance of keeping Beths computer around. I would have mailed it Fedex to Helena. Letter writen to parents in AR have gone unnoticed.
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bizarre
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bizarre sculptures: strange, peculiar, odd, funny, curious, outlandish, outré, abnormal, eccentric, unconventional, unusual, unorthodox, queer, extraordinary; informal weird, wacky, bizarro, oddball, way out, kooky, freaky, off the wall, offbeat. ANTONYMS normal, conventional.
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i attempt to use words as precisely as i can, and often qualify words, phrases and statements as being "imo" or "JMO".

i don't hold anyone else to that same standard, with the exception of flat statements made without proof...such as "MM was murdered." or "MM was abducted."

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Jenkins wrote:
It's very possible that her backpack or some other belongings have been found but never were turned in to LE bc whoever found them thought that someone just lost them and had no idea it could b related to a dissapearance.
We have to remember that contrary to popular belief on this board that most people have never heard of Maura or this case, including locals.
I lived in the area for 12 ys and no one I ever mentioned this case to ever heard of it, including my roommate who lived in woodsville his entire life.
It sucks but it's true, the average Joe on the street in Nh has never heard of Maura Murray or her disappearance
This is simply a question, I have nothing new, I am just wondering if anyone knows what brand of backpack Maura had at the time of her disappearance? Has it been made public? If anyone knows could they message it to me please?

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Jenkins wrote:
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The link was already posted by a couple different posters a page or 2 back.
I also find it very unlikely that the log was altered for a sinister purpose but it's very confusing as to why there would be this gap.
Is this common in grafton county or anywhere?
I just find it extremely odd that the log is missing the time before the crash, which is exactly the time in question about a possible earlier crash.
I'd say the more important question is why does the log state that she was travelling eastbound and her car was found facing westbound on the westbound side of the road, when we've been told all along that the car was facing westbound on the eastbound side of the road.
How is there so many questions about one simple car accident?
First of all the family was shown the wrong spot to where the car crashesd( near the big pine tree when it was actually 400' down the road)
& now we come to find out it was on the other side of the road?
What is going on here? At best it's bad recording/police procedure...but when there's a beautiful young college girl missing on top of it it begins to look potentially sinister.
Again, I'm not saying this is proof of anything. Clearly you'd never be able to prove anything either way by looking at these logs.
I'm just asking what the hell is going on here?
Is it common for police logs to be missing hours of times and have glaring inconsistencies?
Who would even have the power to change/remove things from the log, would the chief of Haverhill even b able to do that?
As with most things about this case the more info you see, the more questions it raises.
You would think the the police logs would at least not be a question.
Then you got columbo saying he's seen te entry for an accident st 7:03. Did this really happen or is he just making it up? Pretty f'd up to make something like that up IMO, but when it comes to this case I wouldn't put it past people.
As far as I know there is no 'entry,' his 19:03 time is based one something someone else 'remembers;' they remember hearing about the accident happening at this time on the scanner because of something that makes them not forget about it. Yup.

I would love to see the entry for that in a log somewhere.

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Is it being/has it been suggested that the log was altered? I'd find that very unlikely.

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It's interesting re-reading the posts about Christopher Flynn (went missing near where Maura's car was found, was ultimately found to have 'walked away' willingly). How easy it is to jump to conclusions, and all that.
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I am new here, since about 2 weeks ago. Very interesting case!

have not read this entire thread, I have however skimmed enough to have a pretty good grasp and have formed opinions about theories, agendas, motivations, more agendas, and my own opinions of the different people here, their agendas, motivations and knowledge.

After all that, all I can say is OMFG what a confusing mess! LOL

Anyway, there is some interesting information here and some interesting people with some interesting agendas. I have some observations, just my opinions don't take any of this personal.

1. Det Columbo- He seems to know as much as anyone about the case, however he clearly has an agenda here. Sorry I am not trying to pick a fight with you but your posts have a very clear, distinctive tone. You obfuscate intentionally and have a clear pattern of posting vague ambiguous 'facts' but you rarely or never follow up to clarify.

I find your motivation here fairly obvious, which is to confuse and distract, however I do not know the reason why.

I find the comments you made to Amy very suspect.

So thats my take on you, nothing personal but I think you know what I say is true.

Up next, WTH/Bill

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Simply Sarcasm wrote:
Is it being/has it been suggested that the log was altered? I'd find that very unlikely.
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It's interesting re-reading the posts about Christopher Flynn (went missing near where Maura's car was found, was ultimately found to have 'walked away' willingly). How easy it is to jump to conclusions, and all that.
Only reason I doubt the log was altered (as in, edited) is because it is a sorry excuse for record keeping. If they were going to edit it, surely they would've made it a little clearer and a little more detailed, maybe added more details to cover their butts. But it does look like some stuff is just blatantly missing. just my opinion.

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Snowy wrote:
bizarre
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bizarre sculptures: strange, peculiar, odd, funny, curious, outlandish, outré, abnormal, eccentric, unconventional, unusual, unorthodox, queer, extraordinary; informal weird, wacky, bizarro, oddball, way out, kooky, freaky, off the wall, offbeat. ANTONYMS normal, conventional.
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i attempt to use words as precisely as i can, and often qualify words, phrases and statements as being "imo" or "JMO".
i don't hold anyone else to that same standard, with the exception of flat statements made without proof...such as "MM was murdered." or "MM was abducted."
Snowy, I know we are not BFFs or anything. But I am gay and I was not offended by what you said, for what it's worth. I am hoping this was all a misunderstanding and everyone can move along.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
Reading through the forum posts of the last 24 hours it would seem that there were at least three LE officers at various times at the site of Maura´s crashed Saturn:
1. Haverhill PD Officer Cecil Smith (who wrote and signed the official accident report)
2. Another, publicly "unnamed" Haverhill PD Officer
3. NHSP Trooper JKM
From what I understand only the name of CS is entered on the official logs of Haverhill PD, while the names of the other two LEO´s are nowhere to be found on any official documents seen by the public.
Am I getting this right?
H2 was Cecil Smith. H6 was Byron Charles.

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Simply Sarcasm wrote:
Is it being/has it been suggested that the log was altered? I'd find that very unlikely.
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It's interesting re-reading the posts about Christopher Flynn (went missing near where Maura's car was found, was ultimately found to have 'walked away' willingly). How easy it is to jump to conclusions, and all that.
I don't know if anyone thinks it was altered, so much as parts redacted. With your legal experience, I'm sure you know the difference.

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I believe there was some sensitive information between the 6:10 call and the 7:27 call.

"To redact can also mean to select or adapt (as by obscuring or removing sensitive information) from a document prior to publication or release."
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Brilliant Brian wrote:
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This is simply a question, I have nothing new, I am just wondering if anyone knows what brand of backpack Maura had at the time of her disappearance? Has it been made public? If anyone knows could they message it to me please?
From my notes: Her backpack resembled a Jansport Platform TCR9 - standard size backpack, with space for a laptop too. But I don't know if it actually a Jansport.
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amy researches wrote:
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Snowy, I know we are not BFFs or anything. But I am gay and I was not offended by what you said, for what it's worth. I am hoping this was all a misunderstanding and everyone can move along.
thank you, amy, and glad you were paying attention.
i also appreciate your understanding that there was, of course, no affront intended. the person's sexual orientation is unknown to me, and is of no consequence to the conversation, in any event.
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amy researches wrote:
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I don't know if anyone thinks it was altered, so much as parts redacted. With your legal experience, I'm sure you know the difference.
amy, are you aware this person claims to have legal experience?

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That's why all original accounts of the accident time were at 7:05 PM as stated by Chief Williams and NHSP as well as in Newspaper accounts. AND then it all changed.!

John (19 hrs ago | post #15047)



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Det Columbo wrote:
That's why all original accounts of the accident time were at 7:05 PM as stated by Chief Williams and NHSP as well as in Newspaper accounts. AND then it all changed.!
John (19 hrs ago | post #15047)
So, a) How do you know? and b) What was the sensitive information? and c) Could you show us, please?

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amy, are you aware this person claims to have legal experience?
If I remember correctly she stated on either Websleuths or here that she is a 3L and a paralegal, and that she works for the county. I doubt she would lie about it, since we live near one another and I could easily look her up. I have not done so, just taking her at her word.

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