Maura Murray

findtheanswers wrote:

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I think that the these two cases are related -Maitland -Murray .

what do you think ties the two together or are they random incidents?

JM must have been watching something change locations to switch windows. He claimed SBD stayed on the bus for a long time. JM stated he thought SBD was calling 911 from his bus. Said he stayed there a long time. Parked his bus differently.

I think it's possible the red truck story came from Atwood that night.

posted by k-9 handler 2010

Feb. 9th. between 7:15 and 8 PM

"Red p/u truck observed parked on the side of the road going UP BHR w/ operator out of vehicle and on passengers side w/ door open."

But...A Horse is A Horse of course

Alive or Dead.

jwb wrote:

posted by k-9 handler 2010
Feb. 9th. between 7:15 and 8 PM
"Red p/u truck observed parked on the side of the road going UP BHR w/ operator out of vehicle and on passengers side w/ door open."
But...A Horse is A Horse of course
Alive or Dead.

If SBD saw this red truck drove down to French Pond, seems like he may have known more than what was quoted in media.

Maybe Anthony Catlins book "French Pond Road" is more non-fiction than fiction.

err....above should read "saw this red truck and then drove down to FP"

mcsmom wrote:

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If SBD saw this red truck drove down to French Pond, seems like he may have known more than what was quoted in media.
Maybe Anthony Catlins book "French Pond Road" is more non-fiction than fiction.

That's exactly what I am thinking. Why else would he be looking down French pond road?

Det Columbo wrote:

On Monday March 19th 2012 it will be 8 years since Brianna Maitland went missing.
The VT SP officer on duty that night did not do His job to the best of His ability. This is a fact.!
The scene that night was VERY SUSPICIOUS because of the way things were left.
Brianna was only a couple miles away from The Black Lantern so this would have been a place She also could have gone.
There was also a house on the hill about 1/4 mile away that is visible from the abandoned house where Her car was found.

Never before reported is that on March 20, less than 12 hours after her disappearance, Maitland’s abandoned car was spotted by a passing State Police officer on regular patrol in the area. The officer stopped to examine the vehicle, which had punched a hole in the farmhouse’s siding causing a heavy piece of plywood covering a window to fall on the vehicle’s trunk. He opened its doors, saw two Black Lantern Inn paychecks made out to Maitland on the front seat and reportedly picked several items up off the ground nearby and tossed them into the back seat. He noted the vehicle’s plate number in his notepad, took a photo of the scene, and then continued on his way reportedly thinking someone, perhaps a drunk driver, had abandoned the vehicle.

Three days later, Jillian Stout, a friend of Maitland’s since fourth grade, called Bruce and Kellie Maitland. At the time of her disappearance, Brianna Maitland had been staying with Stout at her home in Sheldon, Vt. Stout asked if Maitland had come home, and the parents quickly realized their daughter was unaccounted for. The Maitland’s immediately called the Vermont State Police to report her missing.

The police said they would put out post-haste an all-points-bulletin on Maitland’s car. When the parents went to the local State Police barracks in St. Albans the next morning to fill out the necessary missing person forms and to provide police a photo of their daughter, the patrol officer who had discovered the car at the Dutchburn house days earlier happened to be there.

He quickly recalled the abandoned vehicle at the Dutchburn house and opened his notepad and extracted a photo of Brianna’s car. He asked the Maitlands if the vehicle pictured was their daughter’s. Up until this time, the Maitlands knew nothing about their daughter’s car being discovered abandoned. Kellie Maitland looked at the photo and felt herself becoming sick. Bruce Maitland asked why they hadn’t been notified earlier about the car’s discovery.

The officer explained that he was just returning from a long weekend off and that was why he has not contacted the Maitlands.

“I didn’t understand why someone else with the police couldn’t have called us,” Bruce said.“The car was registered in my wife’s name. They could have easily called us long before we came in to report Bri missing.”

The Vermont State Police can’t explain why the Maitlands had not been notified sooner of the vehicle’s discovery. Lt. Nelson later explained it was perhaps because the vehicle was on private property and that it did not look like it had been involved in an accident. Nelson said people often leave their cars in such a way because “they had too much to drink.”

Nelson, who also was there at the time the Maitlands came in, told the couple that young people sometimes “go to Boston or some other place with friends and don’t tell their parents for days.”

Bruce Maitland would later say,“I felt that Lt. Nelson’s two theories contradicted one another. If Bri had left her car because she was drunk how could she get to Boston? It’s a simple question, but it leaves a big hole in his reasoning that allows space for all kinds of theories that cannot not be investigated by them and treated in a professional manner. Because of this anything else they might say or do falls down like a house of cards.”

jwb wrote:

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That's exactly what I am thinking. Why else would he be looking down French pond road?

They were performing a "hasty search". A "hasty search" consists of examining any common routes of egress. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. No one needed to "see" anything for them to check those roads.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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They were performing a "hasty search". A "hasty search" consists of examining any common routes of egress. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. No one needed to "see" anything for them to check those roads.
Bill

Then why not go east?

Does anyone know who the driver of the pickup that hit Chief Williams was?

jwb wrote:

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Then why not go east?

Can't answer for CS but there could have been several reasons.

1. Evidence may have pointed them West not East.

2. Someone may have been able to clear the eastern route on the way to the scene.

3. It is LIKELY avenues of egress from the PLS (place last seen). That might not have qualified as a likely avenue of egress due to the distance it would take to get somewhere.

4. If Maura came West, most would assume that she would go back to what she knew, rather than into the unknown.

5. If Maura was strongly goal oriented and did head East, there should have been several hours to search in that direction since there isn't much out that way so other more likely avenues should have been searched first.

6. Initially, he might not have had the resources needed to search all avenues.

Better questions would be, if Maura knew that road, why would she head East? She would have known that there was nothing there for 20 miles. If Maura didn't know that road, why didn't she head West back to a populated area?

What was driving her? What was in her mind? Those are the real questions.

Bill

jwb wrote:

Columbo has been nothing but a gentleman on this Forum

OMG. This has to be the quote of the day. Eggrolls anyone?!

Just as a general observation ... this thread has 16,508 posts in it to date (will become 16, 509 posts when I hit the button on mine.

Newcomers might want to check out at least some of those thousands of posts to get a "feel" for the areas of discussion and what is known and not known about Maura's case. In addition, there are other forums about Maura's case and news articles still available that would answer most of their questions. It just surprises me when newbies arrive and obviously want to "help find Maura" and yet have not done the most basic of research on her case in the first place. They are quick to snap at long-time posters when they don't have a clue who those folks are or how long those folks have been involved.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Can't answer for CS but there could have been several reasons.
1. Evidence may have pointed them West not East.
2. Someone may have been able to clear the eastern route on the way to the scene.
3. It is LIKELY avenues of egress from the PLS (place last seen). That might not have qualified as a likely avenue of egress due to the distance it would take to get somewhere.
4. If Maura came West, most would assume that she would go back to what she knew, rather than into the unknown.
5. If Maura was strongly goal oriented and did head East, there should have been several hours to search in that direction since there isn't much out that way so other more likely avenues should have been searched first.
6. Initially, he might not have had the resources needed to search all avenues.
Better questions would be, if Maura knew that road, why would she head East? She would have known that there was nothing there for 20 miles. If Maura didn't know that road, why didn't she head West back to a populated area?
What was driving her? What was in her mind? Those are the real questions.
Bill

Maura did not know that end of rt112 and she was said to have been traveling east.WTH your answer supports my point in a way. Your answer #1 as to evidence. It is possible BA saw the red truck on BHR and Maura getting into it and going east.

Advocate wrote:

Just as a general observation ... this thread has 16,508 posts in it to date (will become 16, 509 posts when I hit the button on mine.
Newcomers might want to check out at least some of those thousands of posts to get a "feel" for the areas of discussion and what is known and not known about Maura's case. In addition, there are other forums about Maura's case and news articles still available that would answer most of their questions. It just surprises me when newbies arrive and obviously want to "help find Maura" and yet have not done the most basic of research on her case in the first place. They are quick to snap at long-time posters when they don't have a clue who those folks are or how long those folks have been involved.

Advocate where do we start our search? I think Renners blog is the best place to get caught up. This forum has gone around in circles for so long that sometimes it is tough to tell fact from fiction by reading so many posts. Renner gives good summaries.

There are some things in the case that some people value as evidence and others don't hold that much value in it. It is very difficult as a new poster to come in filled with passion to find Maura and be overwhelmed by so many posts.

I can see you frustration and I appreciate your patience. You guys have to be open to listening to other posters, you don't have to respond to them but every new poster is accussed of being an old poster it gets annoying.

jwb wrote:

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Maura did not know that end of rt112 and she was said to have been traveling east.WTH your answer supports my point in a way. Your answer #1 as to evidence. It is possible BA saw the red truck on BHR and Maura getting into it and going east.

Help me with this if you can. Does the 50ft that the dog might have tracked go from the crash site towards Mr. Atwood's house or away from it?

If Maura did start to walk away from the crash would it put her in a better view for Mr. Atwood?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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They were performing a "hasty search". A "hasty search" consists of examining any common routes of egress. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. No one needed to "see" anything for them to check those roads.
Bill

How could the area east have been cleared if they didn't know who or what they were looking for? Also a Hasty search would have been to include searching the east. They didn't know anyone was missing until they got to the crash site.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Help me with this if you can. Does the 50ft that the dog might have tracked go from the crash site towards Mr. Atwood's house or away from it?
If Maura did start to walk away from the crash would it put her in a better view for Mr. Atwood?

Towards BA house. He was sitting in his bus doing paperwork.

jwb wrote:

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Then why not go east?

PD and Fire jurisdiction ended at BHR

Is it just a coincidence that Fred Murray arrived in Amherst 3 days after the Petrit Vasi hit and run to buy Maura a new second-hand car? Is it just a coincidence that Maura had a public meltdown 30 minutes after the Petrit Vasi hit and run? Is it just a coincidence that Maura then ditched the car with the very obvious front-end dent in a remote location in New Hampshire? So many coincidences.