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Jenkins wrote:

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He has no connection but the cop that killed him is most definitely one o those rogue Leos that people sometimes refer to onthe blog, me included. This cop was a psycho at best and his best friend/neighbor, who was also involved in the killing of liko btw, liked to drive around the north country pretending to be a cop and sometimes harrassing people.
I still want to know where both of these guys were on the night of feb 9,2004...for real.
I think the cops name was McKay and his nutjob wannabe cop friend was name Floyd, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone know if these guys have an alibi?
They seem like just the kind of guys that might fuck with Maura.
Also seem like just the kind of guys the sbd might be so afraid of that he wouldn't talk.
Also seems like just the kind of guys that Nh LE would do a cover up for, bot bc they like these guys, but bc their associated with LE. If someone in LE was involved they would cover that shit up at all costs.

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Jenkins wrote:

Backspace- the false statement I'm referring to was that it was impossible for her to have hit vasi bc she was working...They said for her to walk to her car was a 10min walk and them it was a 10 min drive, making it a potential 40m trip, and her supervisor did rounds every 30m and would've noticed her missing.
Well if she drove to work he car would have been right outside the building.

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... U can do the drive in about a minute and a half If I hit the green lights.
She could've left, hit vasi and been back in 5 minutes.
Not saying this happened or I have any proof saying so.
But it is technically possible.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Any and all evidence for her hitting vasi is strictly circumstantial, unless u consider the dent on the Saturn physical evidence, but since there's nothing that fully connects this the fact that dent is consistent with hitting someone is still circumstantial.
Vasi was hit around 12:30-1am. Shortly after 1 am Maura received a phone call that she was visibly upset from.
She was actually beyond upset, her supervisor describes her ad basically catatonic. She said that she witnessed maira crying, staring off into space and not even noticing when 2 separate people entered the dorm without signing in. Everyone who enters is supposed to sign in. When the supervisor came upon Maura Sn asked what was up all she could say was "my sister,my sister". She was so bad that the supervisor had to ask her to leave work and walked her most o the way home, and told Maura she should call the school psychologist or something like that. She also told maira she shouldn't b alone but Maura told her that she had roomates, which I find interesting.
She said her sister, her sister reported talking to her earlier in the bite, about 10:30 and reported nothin odd in the conversation. Last I heard LE says that the call came from her sister.
But early on a UMass Leo was quoted saying they traced that late-night call to another phone that was on campus but they have no way of knowing for sure who was on the other end. That means someone called from one of the phones that's in the common area of a dorm that anyone can use to call anywhere on campus, or off.
That's a pretty strong circumstantial case, that je was hit and not a half hour later she got a call that sent her off the deep end. It would appear that call was the catalyst for some bizarre behavior, there's no reports of odd behavior before that. Doesn't mean there wasn't though.
People say wait, this couldn't have happened, she was at work, it's impossible but it is theoretically possible. Back on the old forums it was reported by family, and treated as definite fact that Maura would have to walk 10-15 min just to get to her car, and then drive 10m to get to where he was hit, so that would mean that at absolute minimum she wouldve been gone for over 20min. The supervisor did rounds every 15-20m so that would make it impossible for her to do it in time.
But that is not true at all. First off all there was a parking lot her sticker would've been good for that's a 5m walk max. Also the drive fr where she was to where he was hit is about 2min. But in reality she could've parked right outside the dorm. Every UMass building has guest spots and 15min spots that at night u can just park in. If she drove to work,she would've parked there. Anyone familiar w campus would. Also at nite u can park in any lot as long as u don't park overbite. If she was parked there she could've gotten in her car, hit vasi and ran back to work within 5 minutes.
There's a strong circumstantial case and the family lying about how long it would take for her to get there certainly doesn't look good in my eyes. I like to think she didn't hit him, but I also find it hard to write off these coincidences. That seems like something that def could account for her behavior the day she dossapeared and it kind of makes a few things make sense.
Anyone who says it definitely didn't happen is bullshitting...nobody could know that for sure knowing what we know.

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Not really. The likelihood she went into the wilderness in the dark on foot was very slim. There was also reason to believe SBD would have seen her passing by.

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Jenkins wrote:

If your not weeper I find it highly interesting, and even strange that the family allows their private investigators to openly post supposed facts about the case in a public forum like this. Weeper was basically sanctioned by the family and it certainly seems like the family has not problem with u posting on topix either. This seems odd to me, 2 separat PI's, both posting on Internet forums, fully allowed by the family, and more or less pushing the same theory. Also seems like u guys, weeper admitted doing this, r trying to steer the conversation a certain way.
Stating "facts" like it's impossible for her to have hit vasi, she was at work. Well anyone that knows UMass, or feels like doing a little research knows that in reality she could've left work, hit him and been back in 5 min flat and her boss would have absolutely no idea.

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We have 2 definite weirdos that were dangerous just travelling the roads in that area basically just looking for trouble, all they did was fuck with people.
Again, seems like the exact kind of people that would b able to scare the sbd into not talking.
Also the kind of people that could easily have gotten Maura into a car in 2 seconds without any Kid if fight, just had to tell her to get in. These r the exact kind of people that have an extensive knowledge of the area and LE search techniques so they would know how to hide a body so it'll never get found except by dumb luck.
They must have heard it om their scanner they were right there, they would've been coming from the east too, which must have been maura's route of travel if she did leave on foot. What it they headed over right after the BOL was put out at 7:50?? CW claims he saw her about 8 give or take...takes a little over 10 mins to get down to where 112 meets 116 if yur driving wicked fast, prob a little longer. But that would place someone coming from Franconia that left at 7:50, when the BOL was issued, to where Maura was a little after 8, 5 miles into the wilderness. In winter freezing her ass, I'm sure her feet were wet and frozen..at that point she prob would've gotten in the car w anyone right? But think; how about If it's a cop? or someone pretending to b a cop? also pretending he didn't hear that call about a girl who left the scene of an accident. Hes just a nice cop offering her a ride.
Would seem like if you EVER thought about abducting a girl, right then and there would be the most perfect opportunity ever, you have a beautiful young girl who's already been reported missing, u just heard a Bol for her 10 minutes ago. Idk, think about it. To the right weirdo that's a once in a lifetime opportunity. To me it almost makes more sense than Fred did it. IMHO these guys were sick fucks, they weren't just yur run of the mill asshole "good-ol boy" cops. There's some stories about these guys u wouldn't believe. They seem like exactly the kind of guys that might jump at that opportunity, they think: omg, we got a hot young girl drunk in the middle of nowhere on 112 who's already being looked for. Let's go pick her up. I could go on about this, These guys really piss me off; that people like this could ever exist in the "real world" as bill likes to call it is just beyond me.

I'm not saying this is what happened but u really need to look at things like this from all angles. There's some people on here that r convinced Fred didn't do it bc he's her dad and he's sad; and a cop didnt do it bc they're the cops...well that's not good enough. I don't think we should peg everyone as a suspect, clearly smith did nothing wrong. But if there's a rogue cop and his scumbag buddy that was known to basically prowl the area and fuck with people, u need to look at them. They wouldve heard the Bol. If we believe the CW the last place she was seen was 5 miles up rt 112@ 8, well they would've gotten there about 8:05 if coming from Franconia so that seems like it makes sense, no other cars report seeing her after 8, that's the latest. All angles here, all angles

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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It does strike me as very odd as well. Fred Murray who was very secretive about Maura's past and who is very smart would probably require all PI's assisting in the case to sign non disclosures. If you didn't sign a non disclosure you could sell your findings to James Renner.
So if you really assisted the case I don't think you would want to say anything truthful on a forum where you could be in breach of non disclosure.

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Jwb wrote:

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That is the same thing that everyone gets frustrated over columbo about. He is not going to divulge anything on this forum and justifiably so.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I can understand why he won't divulge anything, but then why post? If his posts are non factual what benefit do we get from his posts? Why does he say I'm going through my files, if he can't make mention of his files?
I have no problem with Columbo I think he's funny. Why would people make him the focal point if he can't post the truth?

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Jenkins wrote:

That kind of answers the what r the chances of akiller coming upon her right then, well what if said killer had a scanner and had no interest until 7:50 when je heard a 21yr old 5,7 brunette was out on 112 somewhere
Anybody have any sort of realreason why these guys should b eliminated? Not just the there's no proof linking them to the crime, yea well no shit there's no evidence, if there was these guys would b in jail. That's why this is just a theory, a hypothesis that needs to be tested to see if it's viable or not. Anyone know their alibi Or any other tidbit of info that actually eliminates them

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I really don't want to answer for Columbo but I will say he has every right to post like everyone else.I would rather have Columbo be posting than Bart.

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Jwb wrote:

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I really don't want to answer for Columbo but I will say he has every right to post like everyone else.I would rather have Columbo be posting than Bart.

FrmLE wrote:

anyone who thinks Fred knew or knows what ahppened to his daughter is insane. The extent that ma went to make our lives miserable, the pain he felt and must still feel, is completely real and impossible to fake.
Trust me on this, he had more information about Mauras background than he shared, but he was not responsible for what hapepned to her nor does he know what happened to her.
Put that out of your minds, its absurd.