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Snowy wrote:

Too many fictional ideas have taken flight over the years, and are the sources of lore, not facts. DC is boots-on the-ground local, and I would think, knows better than to fly with nonfiction. No, Mason, to my knowledge, never lived in NH. Nutty stuff.

Correction: DC should know better than to fly with gossip or heresay-as-facts.

Original ideas from 8 years ago will be clung to forever and ever and ever. And that is why this conversation is sustained in the manner in which it has been for all of these years.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

Det Columbo wasn't it you that first mentioned a red truck up on BHR? By the driveway that goes to the two log cabins? I remember asking you questions about it.

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Jenkins wrote:

Good question litehouse, what kind of car dod Fred Murray rent?
I don't think I've ever seen that q asked.
If u think about it we have no idea what kind of car he was driving that night.
Might not mean much but who knows

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Thanks Jenkins. I think anyone who hears theories of a mystery car would check this immediately and I am not a detective.

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amy researches wrote:

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Snowy, I understand where you're coming from. My perspective is a bit different, and yes I have the advantage of not having been here for many years suffering along with you all. With a lack of facts, people turn to hearsay and gossip to fill in the blanks. IMHO, people do this naturally, subconsciously, not necessarily with malicious intent.
It's a shame that innocent people have been drug into the mess of it, and yes, we should all know better. But we're all human, and on that level I do sympathize with Columbo and the family and anyone else who is frustrated. It is frustrating to not know.
I sincerely hope that old ideas won't be clung to forever and ever. I believe people are capable of changing their minds when presented with new information or ideas. I hope for facts, for truth, for justice if/when it comes to that. In the absence of those things, I hope for reasonable discussion and constructive conversation that will lead to the truth and keep anyone else from being unnecessarily harmed. Perhaps too high of a hope for topix.:-)

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amy researches wrote:

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I don't agree with all of his methods or theories. But I don't think he has malicious intent. Do you think so? Your earlier statement of planting seeds as lawyers do in front of a jury, to me implies you think he is trying to manipulate the crowd for some greater purpose. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. If that is what you're saying, I would like to know what that purpose could possibly be. If not to find Maura, then what? It's an honest question. I'm not going to call you a twonker or anything. We can agree to disagree.

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amy researches wrote:

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I'm frankly shocked there haven't been more topix lawsuits yet. The false cloak of anonymity provokes an unhealthy bravery in many cases. This place seems to bring out the worst in people, myself included at times.

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Jenkins wrote:

To say this is a witch hunt or some sort of lynch mob is absolutely ridiculous.
These r blatant lies told by LE about that night that we r questioning.
If there was no inconsistencies in their statements I'm sure nobody would b saying anything about them.
Notice nobody has EVER questioned whiter the westmans were involved? That's bc their story was always the same, never changed once in any way.
This is not just some witch hint out to get the locals or LE. I'm from Nh, I love Nh locals. To say that we r out to get them is complete bullshit.
I find it a very convenient thing to say for some people.
It's obvious LE is lying about a few facts, but u guys can't disprove that bc it's blatant.
So rather than try to disprove what's being said, they call it a witch hunt.
Even back on the original mm board there was no witch hunt, that's ridiculous.
LE is entrusted with the job of protecting the public, this puts them under higher scrutiny than regular folk.
When a young girl is missing, and it's becoming increasingly obvious that LE is lying about some facts of the case, the public should most definitely question what's going on. I'd say there should be a lot more questioning it then just a few posters on topix, which hardly amounts to anything even resembling a witch hunt.
Snowy, can u offer up any sort of legitimate explanation as to why Haverhill pd felt the need to lie about the chief being there?
How do u explain the fact that smith lied to the family about knowin maura was driving when they arrived?
How do u account for these facts in your mind?
How can u objectively look at that and not think somethin is up?
Remember, these aren't cops who did a perfect job and have never said anything even resembling a lie. These r cops who lied to the family, most likely lied to the media, & filled out an accident report that was not accurate.
Nobody is out to get anybody, certainty not a good Cop.
But when it's shown that LE is most likely lying, then the public must question why

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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DC since you were involved in this case and can help end some very crazy speculation, why don't you tell us the car rental type that FM was supplied from the car rental company?

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Jenkins wrote:

To say this is a witch hunt or some sort of lynch mob is absolutely ridiculous.
These r blatant lies told by LE about that night that we r questioning.
If there was no inconsistencies in their statements I'm sure nobody would b saying anything about them.
Notice nobody has EVER questioned whiter the westmans were involved? That's bc their story was always the same, never changed once in any way.
This is not just some witch hint out to get the locals or LE. I'm from Nh, I love Nh locals. To say that we r out to get them is complete bullshit.
I find it a very convenient thing to say for some people.
It's obvious LE is lying about a few facts, but u guys can't disprove that bc it's blatant.
So rather than try to disprove what's being said, they call it a witch hunt.
Even back on the original mm board there was no witch hunt, that's ridiculous.
LE is entrusted with the job of protecting the public, this puts them under higher scrutiny than regular folk.
When a young girl is missing, and it's becoming increasingly obvious that LE is lying about some facts of the case, the public should most definitely question what's going on. I'd say there should be a lot more questioning it then just a few posters on topix, which hardly amounts to anything even resembling a witch hunt.
Snowy, can u offer up any sort of legitimate explanation as to why Haverhill pd felt the need to lie about the chief being there?
How do u explain the fact that smith lied to the family about knowin maura was driving when they arrived?
How do u account for these facts in your mind?
How can u objectively look at that and not think somethin is up?
Remember, these aren't cops who did a perfect job and have never said anything even resembling a lie. These r cops who lied to the family, most likely lied to the media, & filled out an accident report that was not accurate.
Nobody is out to get anybody, certainty not a good Cop.
But when it's shown that LE is most likely lying, then the public must question why

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I find this a fascinating concept. Asking a question of the Detective. Instead of him throwing out brown nuggets like he use to. As if they were facts he uncovered. He is now tossing the same types of nuggets, but now in the form of a question.
Isn't it time that we get to hear some of the things he knows, not speculation, not what he wonders about, or what muses tell him in the night. But some actual facts to match some of the ways he seems to constantly attempt to Shepard this little group of amateur sleuths.
I won't hold my breath.
Oh and I'll wait for Shack to come in with her personal disclaimer about his ability to actually talk about the case. Yet to me he seems to talk constantly about the case. He never actually says anything though.
Bill

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Jenkins wrote:

The whole thing about the 001 police truck being there is extremely interesting.
It's been shown that 001 was tw cheif's truck right?
So unless the cottage hospital witness is totally lying the cheif of police was on scene that night.
What's up with that?
Why would they lie?
This whole thing makes no sense, either the witness is lying, or the police r.
Another thing I notice is that it seems everyone that showed up at the accident scene, the ems guys, fire guys, the tow truck driver, everybody thought that the accident scene was really strange, everyone except the cops.
What's up with that?
U got the ems driver and the yow truck driver both saying the accident was really weird and have extremely accurate versions of what happened that r much more consistent w the damage and a few other things, but smith caught none of this?
How can everyone else thing it's so strange and them smith just write it up as a simple car that spun out, that's totally wrong?
Why r there so many inconsistencies in everything Haverhill pd says they know and everything the witnesses say?
I still feel like they knew way more that night then they r telling.
I think that early on they realized that if she did get abducted by the red truck and they had no id of the guy it was gonna b next to impossible to locate the perp. So they decided to pretend that they didnt know anything that night. That gives them a much better excuse if they don't ever solve it.
Think about how bad it would look for them if they knew de got abducted, knew within the hour of arriving, and then never caught the guy.
They'd look so bad. I think they thought it would look better if they didn't find out she was there until the next day when her family arrived.
Somebody between the time her car was found and the family arrived told smith that he should lie and pretend that he thought it was Fred driving that night. This much we know.
Who told smith he should lie about that?
Could it have been the chief? The same cheif who's car was witnessed at the scene?
Something is wrong w this picture if u think about it

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

Keep in mind that K-9 handler is Det Columbo.
This info about the red truck was written back in 2010. I can't help noticing how the story changed from a woman walking her dog and seeing the truck to it was there for only a short time so it could have gone unnoticed by residents.
From a woman walking her dog noticing a red truck to a passerby noticing it is a big difference in my book. That's why I never believed the story about a red truck on BHR. Too many different stories about it.
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LE does have the glove in evidence.
Yes there was a red truck on BHR that night.
Wowzer wrote:So you are saying that LE has the man's glove that supposedly was found in Maura's car?
That should be easy enough to verify.
There is no women that walked her dog by a red truck that was parked by the driveway to the log cabins.
It's pitch dark there and a secluded stretch of road. No one that lives on BH seems to know about this.
K-9 handler wrote: Yes....LE has the gloves
There was a red truck on BHR that night.
It was only there for a short time so it is possible it could have gone unnoticed by residents. The red truck was noticed by a passerby who recalled seeing it.

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jwb wrote:

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I don't see K-9 handler saying anything about a wowman walking her dog seeing a Red truck. It was your statement from the way it looks. Susan Champy is the passerby (car) who is on public record as saying she saw the red truck with the Pass door open. This is a quote from her-fact