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Citygirl, my mistake. I did misunderstand you, but only because you will only testify to what you know first hand. You've said Maura was at the car 1-2 minutes before police came so many times, but not this time. This time you did say it was dark and that ppl did see someone at the trunk. I went back and reread and so pardon me, I was wrong, again, my bad.
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Keepthesearchalive wrote: Charges filed on snow plow operator in missing vt mom case. Oh wow! I wonder if the victim was trying to help him in some way, b/c that's what the friend said, that she was off too long trying to help someone. But why in her car and with her son in the back. Maybe she called her on her cell or something. This could be a break through actually. But I'll take some lemons with my tea please.
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Keepthesearchalive wrote: Charges filed on snow plow operator in missing vt mom case. Vermont Temp Plates are Red at least he pic in 2008 I viewed.
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Just me--paris wrote: http://www.wcax.com/story/1727 3642/man-wife-arrested-in-jenk ins-slaying-case
pictures of the perps. "Police believe the slaying was an isolated incident." Thank goodness. Thanks for the link.:-)
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Det Columbo wrote: Good Morning Whats so damn good about it?
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FrmLE, you are so full of $#!t. Your posts are the most laughable. Were you part of the "75% chance there will be an arrest" 6 years ago bunch? Maybe local LE has SO much evidence and has done such a bang-up job that they don't need the FBI. Maybe they're waiting for everyone who might have something to do with the case to die. Maybe they're waiting for everyone on the police department who worked there in 2004 to retire before they blow the case wide open. I think Renner has made more progress in his sleep than those wankers did in their finest hour. If you don't like it here don't come here. If you are so tired of it, why don't you take your spreadsheet of verifiable facts and send it to Renner so he can post it in his Timeline or Evidence links. Oh, wait, you were LE - you probably have absolutely no idea!
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amy researches wrote: <quoted text>
Respectfully, I don't understand how someone who worked on this case in an official capacity could ethically post about the case on a public forum. But I've seen you share insight about the case here before and believe you did work on the case. If you are able to say this much, why not just say which parts are wrong, which parts are lies? What harm would it do? THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is. The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as: * First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better. *Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag. * If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally. * Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it. * If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it. * If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'. And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory. So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing? I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter. At some point, what's the point? Right? So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions. That is what you are all doing now, I find it interesting/sad/depressing/fun ny/pathetic. But hey, whatever makes you happy!
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is.
The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as:
* First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better.
*Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag.
* If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally.
* Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it.
* If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it.
* If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'.
And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory.
So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing?
I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter.
At some point, what's the point? Right?
So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions.
That is what you are all doing now, I find it interesting/sad/depressing/fun ny/pathetic.
But hey, whatever makes you happy! TRANSLATION: He knows nought.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is.
The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as:
* First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better.
*Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag.
* If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally.
* Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it.
* If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it.
* If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'.
And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory.
So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing?
I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter.
At some point, what's the point? Right?
So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions.
That is what you are all doing now, I find it interesting/sad/depressing/fun ny/pathetic.
But hey, whatever makes you happy! You're insinuating - with really bad logic I will add - that everyone here has a theory but no investigative abilities, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Exact opposite as a matter of fact; many of us are open-minded and trying to piece FACTS (and I use the term loosely, with a 75% chance of incarceration) together and where there aren't any, proposing hypotheses. There are documented instances of LE's shortcomings in this case, but that doesn't mean anyone here hates cops. That is clearly a fallacy in your thinking. I guess if we have to rule out everything you say we have to rule out, then Maura was abducted by aliens. ET phone home. I doubt it.
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Brilliant Brian wrote: blah blah blah blah You proved my point perfectly, you my friend fall into the "I hate cops and everything is a conspiracy' crowd. Part of that theory always says the cops are incompetant, and the FBI is always better and it's always a coverup. lol, right on Q, thanks for playing! Tighten the chinstrap on your tinfoil hat buddy, wipe the drool off your chin and buckle up, it's gonna be a long ride for you.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is.
The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as:
* First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better.
*Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag.
* If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally.
* Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it.
* If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it.
* If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'.
And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory.
So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing?
I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter.
At some point, what's the point? Right?
So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions. Thank you for answering. I sincerely appreciate it. Your frustration and feeling of "why bother" makes sense, now that you've explained it. For what it's worth, I and a few others here who I have personally spoken with truly are interested in the case - not from the perspective of making a personal agenda fit but because this family (like any other) deserves to know the answers someday. It's also just an interesting case to me, from a legal perspective. I've never seen anything like it. I wish I had more experience to draw better conclusions, but we all work with what we have. Right now, here on this forum, we do not have much. Except for opinions and rumors and unconfirmed information etc. I have put forth a few speculations and theories, in hope that someone with more experience and insight would rip them apart and show me "no this is wrong" or "yes this could be right." But no one has done so, except for Bill. I have read as many of the official documents as I've been able to obtain, and I have corresponded with Renner and several others who have been willing to share information. It's hard to know what's right and what isn't, unless it comes from an official source. It's frustrating. And I can promise you, I won't last here 8 years. Anyway, I would be interested in hearing your insights if you ever change your mind and care to share.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is.
The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as:
* First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better.
*Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag.
* If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally.
* Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it.
* If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it.
* If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'.
And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory.
So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing?
I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter.
At some point, what's the point? Right?
So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions.
That is what you are all doing now, I find it interesting/sad/depressing/fun ny/pathetic.
But hey, whatever makes you happy! If we asked you direct questions would you be open to answering them?
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TRANSLATION: He knows nought. TRANSLATION: You hurt my feelings, I'm gonna cry. I want to be a big important internet investigator, why can't I play dress up? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
You proved my point perfectly, you my friend fall into the "I hate cops and everything is a conspiracy' crowd.
Part of that theory always says the cops are incompetant, and the FBI is always better and it's always a coverup. lol, right on Q, thanks for playing!
Tighten the chinstrap on your tinfoil hat buddy, wipe the drool off your chin and buckle up, it's gonna be a long ride for you. Funny, both my parents were cops - my dad for 20+ years and my mom for 11 years, my friend, and I love them dearly. And, of course, we have many friends of the family that are/were cops. But thanks for the effort.
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amy researches wrote: <quoted text>
Anyway, I would be interested in hearing your insights if you ever change your mind and care to share. For what it's worth, my insights and opinions are right here. I know it is nearly impossible to sort through all the garbage to try to pull meaningful information out, but I have posted as much as I am 'ethically' able to post. My opinions are here at length, as is my theory. The problem with my theory, the reason most here don't like it and won't accept it is because it is really not that sexy. It doesn't make them excited, it's not good Lifetime Movie Network material, therefore they ignore the facts and focus on what interests them. I will offer you a perfect example. If I had a dime for every time someone posted the words, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." I would be a wealthy man. So right here, this is a reason that SO MANY PEOPLE believe that she was either abducted and killed or she got in a car with someone she knew. This one premise, that if she were in the woods she would have been found by now, is the basis of so many people's theories. The problem is........ Wait for it..... wait..... IT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE! In the area that she could have accessed, in the time frame she had, she could have gone so far into the woods that it is in fact most likely that she will never be found, ever. I have posted a slew of evidence to support this very simple fact, over and over, as has WTH and others. I have conducted winderness searches in THESE VERY SAME WOODS, and I know how large the area is. That FACT is supported by anyone who has the knowledge and experience of searching for a small object in a very large area, they all agree that it is very unlikely she would be found. However, despite all that, every day someone here forms an opinion that, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." Yep, a complete incorrect opinion based on untrue facts, yet people continue to say that very same thing. Now, take that example, multiply by about a hundred, and compound that by a thousand, and that is an idea of why I no longer offer my insight.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
For what it's worth, my insights and opinions are right here. I know it is nearly impossible to sort through all the garbage to try to pull meaningful information out, but I have posted as much as I am 'ethically' able to post. My opinions are here at length, as is my theory.
The problem with my theory, the reason most here don't like it and won't accept it is because it is really not that sexy. It doesn't make them excited, it's not good Lifetime Movie Network material, therefore they ignore the facts and focus on what interests them.
I will offer you a perfect example. If I had a dime for every time someone posted the words, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." I would be a wealthy man.
So right here, this is a reason that SO MANY PEOPLE believe that she was either abducted and killed or she got in a car with someone she knew. This one premise, that if she were in the woods she would have been found by now, is the basis of so many people's theories.
The problem is........ Wait for it..... wait.....
IT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE! In the area that she could have accessed, in the time frame she had, she could have gone so far into the woods that it is in fact most likely that she will never be found, ever.
I have posted a slew of evidence to support this very simple fact, over and over, as has WTH and others. I have conducted winderness searches in THESE VERY SAME WOODS, and I know how large the area is. That FACT is supported by anyone who has the knowledge and experience of searching for a small object in a very large area, they all agree that it is very unlikely she would be found.
However, despite all that, every day someone here forms an opinion that, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." Yep, a complete incorrect opinion based on untrue facts, yet people continue to say that very same thing.
Now, take that example, multiply by about a hundred, and compound that by a thousand, and that is an idea of why I no longer offer my insight. Well, even Scarinza said he thought she got a ride, so I guess you hate cops.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
For what it's worth, my insights and opinions are right here. I know it is nearly impossible to sort through all the garbage to try to pull meaningful information out, but I have posted as much as I am 'ethically' able to post. My opinions are here at length, as is my theory.
The problem with my theory, the reason most here don't like it and won't accept it is because it is really not that sexy. It doesn't make them excited, it's not good Lifetime Movie Network material, therefore they ignore the facts and focus on what interests them.
I will offer you a perfect example. If I had a dime for every time someone posted the words, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." I would be a wealthy man.
So right here, this is a reason that SO MANY PEOPLE believe that she was either abducted and killed or she got in a car with someone she knew. This one premise, that if she were in the woods she would have been found by now, is the basis of so many people's theories.
The problem is........ Wait for it..... wait.....
IT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE! In the area that she could have accessed, in the time frame she had, she could have gone so far into the woods that it is in fact most likely that she will never be found, ever.
I have posted a slew of evidence to support this very simple fact, over and over, as has WTH and others. I have conducted winderness searches in THESE VERY SAME WOODS, and I know how large the area is. That FACT is supported by anyone who has the knowledge and experience of searching for a small object in a very large area, they all agree that it is very unlikely she would be found.
However, despite all that, every day someone here forms an opinion that, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." Yep, a complete incorrect opinion based on untrue facts, yet people continue to say that very same thing.
Now, take that example, multiply by about a hundred, and compound that by a thousand, and that is an idea of why I no longer offer my insight. Thank you. That is helpful. I have asked about the likelihood of her being in the woods but got no definitive response. There is also not a lot of public info available on how thoroughly the area was searched, when or by whom. This is something I discussed with Bill, and he said he didn't know. Honestly, I would think Bill is right. Except for the court proceedings. They went to great length not to release those files, and gave enough information to make me believe that they are (or were at that time) following up on persons of interests. That, coupled with current CCU involvement, makes me think they suspect foul play. If I'm wrong about that, then I'm wrong. Do you think I'm wrong? I apologize if you've addressed this already and I've missed it. Sorting through topix for answers is enough to want to make me put my head through a wall. But I will look if I must.
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text>
You proved my point perfectly, you my friend fall into the "I hate cops and everything is a conspiracy' crowd.
Part of that theory always says the cops are incompetant, and the FBI is always better and it's always a coverup. lol, right on Q, thanks for playing!
Tighten the chinstrap on your tinfoil hat buddy, wipe the drool off your chin and buckle up, it's gonna be a long ride for you. And it is, and always be, an endless loop. The lack of factual material and its repetition are stupefying.
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