Maura Murray

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FrmLE wrote:

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For what it's worth, my insights and opinions are right here. I know it is nearly impossible to sort through all the garbage to try to pull meaningful information out, but I have posted as much as I am 'ethically' able to post. My opinions are here at length, as is my theory.
The problem with my theory, the reason most here don't like it and won't accept it is because it is really not that sexy. It doesn't make them excited, it's not good Lifetime Movie Network material, therefore they ignore the facts and focus on what interests them.
I will offer you a perfect example. If I had a dime for every time someone posted the words, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." I would be a wealthy man.
So right here, this is a reason that SO MANY PEOPLE believe that she was either abducted and killed or she got in a car with someone she knew. This one premise, that if she were in the woods she would have been found by now, is the basis of so many people's theories.
The problem is........ Wait for it..... wait.....
IT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE! In the area that she could have accessed, in the time frame she had, she could have gone so far into the woods that it is in fact most likely that she will never be found, ever.
I have posted a slew of evidence to support this very simple fact, over and over, as has WTH and others. I have conducted winderness searches in THESE VERY SAME WOODS, and I know how large the area is. That FACT is supported by anyone who has the knowledge and experience of searching for a small object in a very large area, they all agree that it is very unlikely she would be found.
However, despite all that, every day someone here forms an opinion that, "If she were in the woods, she would have been found by now...." Yep, a complete incorrect opinion based on untrue facts, yet people continue to say that very same thing.
Now, take that example, multiply by about a hundred, and compound that by a thousand, and that is an idea of why I no longer offer my insight.

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Det Columbo wrote:

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Yes this guy, FrmLE is a real class act.
He must have been a real nice cop to get pulled over by.
He also is not very smart...!
John

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Elphalba wrote:

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This logic is not linear in the least. So in order to prove A did not happen, you given reason why C could have happened? What?!? In other words, you asserted that she wasn't abducted and you set about proving that assertion by stating that it is possible for a body to not be discovered in the woods? Do you not see the disconnect there?

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FrmLE wrote:

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This is an interesting post, it begs an interesting question columbo.
As an alleged "former law enforcement officer" in the area, how do you feel about your little buddy jenkins opinion that Bruce McKay deserved to be shot in the back and run over until he was dead?
Are you ok with that? As a former cop? Interesting.
As far as me being "not very smart", ok fair enough maybe I am not very smart. But what I am is experienced, or did you forget?
Forget when I explained to you, in detail and at length the exact details of how an Invvestigative Grand Jury works, the purpose of it, how it operates, and how it would relate to the Maura Murray case.
Seems back then you were thankful for the information. hmm, interesting.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Why should I reply to any of your retarded questions? Fuckstick, I sincerely hope you get shot in the back and run over til dead.

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FrmLE wrote:

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THAT is an excellent question. The reason I no longer 'share insight' is simply because no matter what I say it will not be considered by the majority here who want to believe there is more to this case than there is.
The way that most people here operate, is to form an opinion based on what most appeals to them on a personal level. Usually that is based on several factors such as:
* First and foremost, what is the most interesting and sensational theory. What titilates them, what is a good TV Movie on Lifetime. The more interesting the better.
*Second is usually based on a personal bias the person may have. If you hate local rednecks, you think SBD did it, or some other local dirtbag.
* If you hate cops, then that's always a good fall back, the 'rogue cop' did it, and of course it is being covered up by other cops. Because we all are ok with killing young women (or 11 year old boys) and have no problem covering these things up, naturally.
* Let's see, if you had an abusive relationship with your boyfriend, then the BF did it.
* If you hated your father, then of course Fred did it.
* If you have a boring miserable life and always wish you could run away, disappear with your secret love, well then thats where Maura is, living in Toronto with a 'hunky guy'.
And so on and so on, that is how the average person forms opinions. They do not look at the facts and follow those leads to form logical opinions, instead the form opinions and then look for the 'facts' that best support their favorite theory.
So when I post facts thats are in fact, TRUE, well they get dismissed because they don't jive with each persons 'personal theory'. And I end up going around and around in circles, wondering wtf and I doing?
I suggest you read the other thread that I had contributed to, the case of Patric McCarthy. Same as with this thread, both cases I have significant knowledge of, yet no matter how many facts I offer, when they do not jive with what the person WANTS TO BELIEVE, they will not accept those facts and instead go to absurd lengths to counter.
At some point, what's the point? Right?
So many things you are discussing are simply not accurate, not possible, or have been investigated at length. Many more issues that are discussed every day, over and over, are based on not facts but the posts of average, anonymous people on an internet forum years ago. I am sure that years from now, people will be referencing your posts, or Snowy or columbos posts and basing theories on what is nothing more than one informed person opinions.
That is what you are all doing now, I find it interesting/sad/depressing/fun ny/pathetic.
But hey, whatever makes you happy!

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Elphalba wrote:

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This logic is not linear in the least. So in order to prove A did not happen, you given reason why C could have happened? What?!? In other words, you asserted that she wasn't abducted and you set about proving that assertion by stating that it is possible for a body to not be discovered in the woods? Do you not see the disconnect there?

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FrmLE wrote:

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It is you who is confused, the disconnect is with your lack of knowledge of this case.
Once you read enough to have a frame of reference to my comments, then I will reply. Until then, read more post less, or risk continuing to look like a fool.
lol, I bet I know which of those options you will choose. lol

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am really glad he responded. He hit every point perfectly from what I can tell.
Maybe he clarified why after eight years, after seeing the exact same things, being posted by perfect carbon copy cutouts of all the previous posters, over and over again, I consider this nothing but entertainment. There is truly nothing serious/useful going on here.
The only thing that this continual windmilling does is provide fodder (misinformation) for others that come in later and produce more misinformation based upon the previous misinformation. This only leads further and further from the truth, not closer.
I have stated before that there should, at a minimum, be a FAQ to prevent people from continually re-organizing and then stretching the truth long enough that it becomes "fact" associated with this case. This has been happening for years. Not that anyone would actually read a FAQ. It is too much fun for many to just make shit up.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am really glad he responded. He hit every point perfectly from what I can tell.
Maybe he clarified why after eight years, after seeing the exact same things, being posted by perfect carbon copy cutouts of all the previous posters, over and over again, I consider this nothing but entertainment. There is truly nothing serious/useful going on here.
The only thing that this continual windmilling does is provide fodder (misinformation) for others that come in later and produce more misinformation based upon the previous misinformation. This only leads further and further from the truth, not closer.
I have stated before that there should, at a minimum, be a FAQ to prevent people from continually re-organizing and then stretching the truth long enough that it becomes "fact" associated with this case. This has been happening for years. Not that anyone would actually read a FAQ. It is too much fun for many to just make shit up.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>I am really glad he responded. He hit every point perfectly from what I can tell.Maybe he clarified why after eight years, after seeing the exact same things, being posted by perfect carbon copy cutouts of all the previous posters, over and over again, I consider this nothing but entertainment. There is truly nothing serious/useful going on here.
The only thing that this continual windmilling does is provide fodder (misinformation) for others that come in later and produce more misinformation based upon the previous misinformation. This only leads further and further from the truth, not closer.I have stated before that there should, at a minimum, be a FAQ to prevent people from continually re-organizing and then stretching the truth long enough that it becomes "fact" associated with this case. This has been happening for years. Not that anyone would actually read a FAQ. It is too much fun for many to just make shit up.Bill

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

Judging by the judging scores, I don´t understand this sudden mollycoddling of FMR LE and his friends and associates.
Has FMR LE got his own fan club here all of a sudden?
He wasn´t so universally loved just a few weeks ago...
Strange indeed!

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

Judging by the judging scores, I don´t understand this sudden mollycoddling of FMR LE and his friends and associates.
Has FMR LE got his own fan club here all of a sudden?
He wasn´t so universally loved just a few weeks ago...
Strange indeed!

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Elphalba wrote:

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It does not always take knowledge of the subject matter to detect obvious flaws in logic and irrational conclusions quickly. I have read enough of your posts over the year to determine that common sense is not your strong suit.

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Laurieisgone wrote:

Elphalba is saying what I have been trying to say (but not quite getting it right) all of this time on this board and other boards...
so another words.. What Elphalba says!

Elphalba wrote:

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My issue with the response is that it does not seem to be grounded with present day reality. He is positing extremes as absolutes. For example, while I know that the sentiment in regards to a body being found after all of these years exists, it was stated in the post as if a good majority of people not only believe that but also are using that idea to formulate alternative theories. Where is reality, that simply does not seem to be the case at all. The reality seems to be that since it cannot be ascertained that she went into the woods, then it is only reasonable to come up with alternative possibilites. Granted, some of these possibilities are outrageous, but many are not. So in my eyes, that is why the post is illogical and misleading. Not to mention, how anybody can get all butt hurt by people speculating on a message board is beyond my comprehension, but that is just me.