Maura Murray

anonymousone wrote:

Has anyone looked further into the rag in the saturn's tailpipe? Apparently the rag was stuffed far into it so the question I have is would the car even run that way? Has the car been checked if it had an exhaust leak? If the car would not run like that then it was done at the accident scene. This may be a small but important piece to solving the riddle.

A few posters of late have tried placing the rag in the exhaust and it did pop out when the car was turned on. I don't believe it was released as to whether any post-crash mechanical testing was performed on the Saturn or if there were any gaping holes in the exhaust. Det. Columbo might know.

My theory du jour is that Maura may have placed it there with the belief that it might keep the car from starting if someone tried to steal it. If the Saturn had been part of a trade-in deal for the new automobile then she wouldn't want it to get nicked; it probably had some residual value.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Thank you for calling me objective.:)
I think frmle might be who he is as well. A while back when I was first here I noticed he made a comment about Fred. It seems he cleared him based on opinion. I wonder why if he was cleared he wouldn't say that he was cleared by LE because they checked his alibi. Frmle is always bashing about people not knowing the facts but he makes the statement to clear Fred based off of opinion only. I find that very interesting and would like that cleared up if possible.

Interesting. I did not see this comment but will look for it. I assume that if he really is former LE, that he would not ethically be able to post as fact something that has not already been released to the public. Thus the disclaimer it was his opinion? Maybe. I'm guessing.:-) I'll look for the post.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Good morning all: I don't understand how secretive a person needs to be. Basic stuff like when a friend would ask Maura what's going on: you would think she said I'm getting a new car soon. I don't think someone who cries in public would be so secretive where basic facts wouldn't come out. Also people with a lot of friends tend to be social and talk about things. Eventually they have to say certain things like what is going on in their life.
This isn't like she was the research director for the skunk works program.

That's for sure, but her friends have decided or were told to keep quiet about everything, so that makes it hard to say how she was around them. and, others knew nothing of the secret admirers, and so on. I meet so many people every day and I certainly don't go into my personal business, unless i feel like it. Otherwise, I guard my privacy. If something of mine is going to be said or repeated it darn well better be coming from me.

MR Renner is finding out and posting things that may be a real shocker to Maura's dearest friends, I know some of my biz would hairlip the Governor.......

But back to Maura. Her good friend wanted to meet up at the pub Saturday night. Dad has 4 grand in his wallet, wants to get her a better car and what does Maura say? Apparently nothing.
Some people are like that though. They only want you to see and/or know so much.
JMHO

Frostman wrote:

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Rather than boring us with churlish, insipid jabs at the posters on this forum why don't you bloody well get a part-time job serving up bangers and mash at your local? That way you can pay for lessons on how to actually use your handheld device which might teach you how to Google 'troll + bridge' before you hit the send button.
Better still, rather than wasting time being such a wanker, it would behoove you to actually do a little background research on the disappearance of Maura Murray rather than waiting for one of us to spoon-feed you.
Melons? The way you behave here I'm thinking -- hung like a gerbil.

Frostman, you are funny in a caustic way.
Wanker is a wonderful word and, yes, my penis is tiny.

Why when someone constantly insinuates they have 'special' knowledge of something but never shares it, is it churlish to question their integrity?

Whoever Columbo is, I'm sure he's a lovely guy. It's just the 'I know a secret' stuff that leads me to think he's not all he claims. If he didn't make the claims in the first place, I wouldn't give it another thought.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>That's for sure, but her friends have decided or were told to keep quiet about everything, so that makes it hard to say how she was around them. and, others knew nothing of the secret admirers, and so on. I meet so many people every day and I certainly don't go into my personal business, unless i feel like it. Otherwise, I guard my privacy. If something of mine is going to be said or repeated it darn well better be coming from me.
MR Renner is finding out and posting things that may be a real shocker to Maura's dearest friends, I know some of my biz would hairlip the Governor.......
But back to Maura. Her good friend wanted to meet up at the pub Saturday night. Dad has 4 grand in his wallet, wants to get her a better car and what does Maura say? Apparently nothing.
Some people are like that though. They only want you to see and/or know so much.
JMHO

Interesting that he stated 4 grand cash. Why not a check? Do you think there is a bank record of him taking out 4 grand and his reasoning was for a car , but that was really funds to help her start a new life.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Interesting that he stated 4 grand cash. Why not a check? Do you think there is a bank record of him taking out 4 grand and his reasoning was for a car , but that was really funds to help her start a new life.

"bingo"....well, not really but
What a nifty idea to explain away why he had withdrawn $4,000.
If they really were looking for cars, he wouldwant to wave cash, to get a better deal. But I like your thinking.
Sadly, if Fred was meeting up with her somewhere, and Maura took off on her own, or made a mistake in judgement, he would be doubly sorry.
But when I look at him, I see a loving father in pain. The not knowing. I won't go on, been there myself, done that, it's the worst.

AcidHouseMartin wrote:

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Frostman, you are funny in a caustic way.
Wanker is a wonderful word and, yes, my penis is tiny.
Why when someone constantly insinuates they have 'special' knowledge of something but never shares it, is it churlish to question their integrity?
Whoever Columbo is, I'm sure he's a lovely guy. It's just the 'I know a secret' stuff that leads me to think he's not all he claims. If he didn't make the claims in the first place, I wouldn't give it another thought.

It's not how big it is but how you use it that counts.LOL

anonymousone wrote:

In all seriousness I think that Maura started running eastbound on Route 112 after the accident. The police did not search east of the accident upon arrival and neither did Butch Atwood when he went looking or Maura in the minutes after. The police found virtually no sign of Maura at the scene or in the surrounding areas so this would make sense. Either she was picked up in the 7-8 minutes she was left alone at the accident scene or she started running eastbound and likely made it to the Route 116 intersection. She ran 5 miles everyday so she would have covered ground very fast. This also correlates with Rick Forcier's story. Why do so many people not believe this possiblity? I feel she was picked up much further down the road then we think.

The CW sighting is not all that credible to me because of how it went down. He waited a long time to come forward, despite being questioned earlier on, and had an odd story about believing he was working that night but had the dates mixed up. Even then, he could not be sure that it was Maura he saw - just that he saw someone.

If others had seen her 5 miles east, or if he had reported it right away, I would feel differently.

I believe anything is possible, but I don't automatically believe she ran east just because this guy says so.

I think a good question would be why would she run east?

If she is running for help, there are houses nearby and a store she just passed.

If she was going to take a ride, why run 5 miles east to do it? Surely many other cars passed her before she got to this point?

Maybe she was not thinking clearly, and ran off that way out of an emotional impulse? If she did run east, and made it 5 or more miles, I would believe the most likely possibility then is hypothermia - and that she made it to a place in the woods that hasn't been searched yet. Under the circumstances. She was already shaken up when the bus driver saw her, she was already stressed, an unknown amount of alcohol in her system, probable lack of sleep from her busy schedule and the stressful events of the past few days, who knows when she ate last, she was already emotional about her previous accident and letting her dad down... If she made it 5 miles, could she have made it 10 miles before entering the woods? How far did they search? We just don't know.

FWIW, I believe both Columbo and Frmle are who they say they are. Sorry to hear about your health problems, Columbo, and I sincerely hope you get better whatever the diagnosis. On another note, your current avatar with the 2 cars, is that what you believe happened to Maura? That she rearended another car or rather the driver of that car made her rearend his car? Then how do you think the Saturn ended up where it did in the way it did? And when and where would an abduction have taken place? Is there a witness never made public? And was Aftermath on to something with his/her insistance evidence at the accident scene at the WB were overlooked by LE? Could this be what EMT said was "odd" about the scene?

just me wrote:

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"bingo"....well, not really but
What a nifty idea to explain away why he had withdrawn $4,000.
If they really were looking for cars, he wouldwant to wave cash, to get a better deal. But I like your thinking.
Sadly, if Fred was meeting up with her somewhere, and Maura took off on her own, or made a mistake in judgement, he would be doubly sorry.
But when I look at him, I see a loving father in pain. The not knowing. I won't go on, been there myself, done that, it's the worst.

I never thought of this. This we can put as plausible.
If that's the case then family would know
More. Nobody just gives 4k to someone.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Interesting that he stated 4 grand cash. Why not a check? Do you think there is a bank record of him taking out 4 grand and his reasoning was for a car , but that was really funds to help her start a new life.

there you go again, Lighthouse...bashing the victim and/or her family. lol
it's good to question the details that have made up a neat little story package, then told and retold for many years. honest, intelligent people would have been able to draw up a list of simple facts if that was truly the goal.
i still trust that James Renner is doing the footwork in his attempts to tear down the curtains.

i, too, took exception to FrmLE's statement that amounted to dismissing FM's knowledge or involvement at any level in her disappearance (i'm certain he'll correct me again for not finding the exact quote).
i recall he made the declaration as fact, not as an opinion.

just me wrote:

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"bingo"....well, not really but
What a nifty idea to explain away why he had withdrawn $4,000.
If they really were looking for cars, he wouldwant to wave cash, to get a better deal. But I like your thinking.
Sadly, if Fred was meeting up with her somewhere, and Maura took off on her own, or made a mistake in judgement, he would be doubly sorry.
But when I look at him, I see a loving father in pain. The not knowing. I won't go on, been there myself, done that, it's the worst.

It's certainly possible that Maura's destination was known to Fred. He did, after all, once comment about Maura having gone the wrong way. If he did know where she was bound and was helping to fund whaever she was going to do when she arrived, I could understand fully why he's always been insistant that some harm befell her. If she was heading for a holiday at her dad's expense, I would expect her to be pretty happy. Maybe Fred knows that to be the case. It might also explain the upsetting phone call, the drive to Fred's hotel and the insistence that the Saturn was pretty well undrivable when that clearly wasn't the case. It's a valid as any other opinion and might explain Fred's nervousness on occassion. I absolutely can't imagine he's implimented in her death and he's clearly devastated but a level of knowledge of her destination is possible. However, were that the case, I'd have expected him to call her that night to see she arrived. Anyone know if he tried?

AcidHouseMartin wrote:

<quoted text>Frostman, you are funny in a caustic way. Wanker is a wonderful word and, yes, my penis is tiny.Why when someone constantly insinuates they have 'special' knowledge of something but never shares it, is it churlish to question their integrity?
Whoever Columbo is, I'm sure he's a lovely guy. It's just the 'I know a secret' stuff that leads me to think he's not all he claims. If he didn't make the claims in the first place, I wouldn't give it another thought.

Laughing... in a good way. I probably shouldn't have had that triple espresso this morning before I posted.

I agree with you, if someone says they know something and subsequently fails to produce that proffered information it does tend to erode their credibility in the eyes of others. It's same point that I was making with respect to a certain other poster who has now apparently taken all their marbles and gone home. Or not.

In the same vein, if a purported former officer of the law offers up comments here, and then later makes vile and incoherent rants directed at other contributors, that also makes you pause and question the authenticity of their previous posts.

Love a Brit who can turn a joke against himself. Good on ya. Cheers.

hannah_b wrote:

FWIW, I believe both Columbo and Frmle are who they say they are. Sorry to hear about your health problems, Columbo, and I sincerely hope you get better whatever the diagnosis. On another note, your current avatar with the 2 cars, is that what you believe happened to Maura? That she rearended another car or rather the driver of that car made her rearend his car? Then how do you think the Saturn ended up where it did in the way it did? And when and where would an abduction have taken place? Is there a witness never made public? And was Aftermath on to something with his/her insistance evidence at the accident scene at the WB were overlooked by LE? Could this be what EMT said was "odd" about the scene?

Great we just changed every aspect of the case.

There can be plenty more creative theories with the loose evidence that can be created. Some of them won't put some of the main characters in a positive light.
If we are going to turn forum statements into facts please don't jump on any new forum posters that come here after reading Renners blog.

mallcop wrote:

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Your poor bladder control has soiled your panties. Time for depends nurse Cratchet.

Sorry to Snowy,
I would like to detract this statement and appologize for it. It was unecesary.

Snowy wrote:

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there you go again, Lighthouse...bashing the victim and/or her family. lol
it's good to question the details that have made up a neat little story package, then told and retold for many years. honest, intelligent people would have been able to draw up a list of simple facts if that was truly the goal.
i still trust that James Renner is doing the footwork in his attempts to tear down the curtains.
i, too, took exception to FrmLE's statement that amounted to dismissing FM's knowledge or involvement at any level in her disappearance (i'm certain he'll correct me again for not finding the exact quote).
i recall he made the declaration as fact, not as an opinion.

For the record I know your kidding but I'm not trying to bash or say that family is guilty of anything. There are a lot of things that I find tough to make sense out of.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Great we just changed every aspect of the case.
There can be plenty more creative theories with the loose evidence that can be created. Some of them won't put some of the main characters in a positive light.
If we are going to turn forum statements into facts please don't jump on any new forum posters that come here after reading Renners blog.

If Maura was carrying $4000 it would change some aspects of the case as well.

I´ll try to behave!

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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For the record I know your kidding but I'm not trying to bash or say that family is guilty of anything. There are a lot of things that I find tough to make sense out of.

man, it's tough going here.
yes, i was pushing off onto you, with sarcasm, what i'm accused of on a daily basis.
that said, i understand why Wowzer flew the coop for the time being.
some days you feel so slimed you have to go for a spa treatment and then cover up with french perfume. today is one of those days.

hannah_b wrote:

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If Maura was carrying $4000 it would change some aspects of the case as well.
I´ll try to behave!

That is a great catch hannah. Odd that Fred said he had 4k in cash on him and never bought a car. Wonder if Le followed the money trail.

hannah_b wrote:

<quoted text>If Maura was carrying $4000 it would change some aspects of the case as well. I´ll try to behave!

We're all so-oo far beyond good behaviour here.:) Our wee grannies would probably wash our mouths out with soap if they read what we've all posted.

Yes, interesting about the 4K (thanks LH101). Most likely cash was just a bargaining tool to get a better price on the new used car IMO.