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hannah_b wrote:

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That dog was very good, but obviously his handler didn´t trust him to do his job. A sad case of handler´s ego getting in the way of the love and trust that is the foundation of all good dog handling.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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How can anyone know what the dog was capable of when everything that it had done was tainted by the handler? There is no way to know how good the dog was or wasn't in my opinion with the handler dropping body parts as the dog searched. Many things found and exclaimed as breakthroughs initially were later found to not be related to what was being searched for at all.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have also seen dogs/handlers that stumbled onto crap also after wandering around for an hour when clearly the dog wasn't on a trail. Later to be found out that it had nothing to do with the subject on hand.
Can we say bullshit?
I would be more inclined to believe that a dog MIGHT be able to track somebody in a convertible or a trunk. A trunk being less tight than the cab of a vehicle.
And don't disregard just plain lying and planting of evidence like Ms. Sandra Anderson did with her dog. Before they figured out what she was doing, she was the greatest dog and handler alive according to some.
Bill

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hannah_b wrote:

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Yes, there is. The dog did exactly what he was asked to do. Which to find what his handler had planted.

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looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Shack, that PIA caused my dog to go THROUGH my sliding glass doors when HE and his compadres were searching on my property without my PERMISSION. Did he even OPFFER to pay for the damages to my house or the dogs vet bills? No he didn't--all he did was get in his car and drive away. THAT is one of the many reasons the area residents spoke of Fred that way.

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Anne wrote:

<quoted text>That is not right looking4a moose. It really is unfortunate that we cannot rewind the initial searches. I am wondering, is the the dog okay, I had one go through my sliding doors once, and it amazed me the power of a dog wanting to leave to protect.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting considering the fact that you have posted in the past that you have never seen Fred or seen Fred searching the area.

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Anne wrote:

<quoted text>That is not right looking4a moose. It really is unfortunate that we cannot rewind the initial searches. I am wondering, is the the dog okay, I had one go through my sliding doors once, and it amazed me the power of a dog wanting to leave to protect.

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looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Anne, that wasn't even one of the original searches. It is one of the more recent ones that was centered at the Lodge in Mountain Lakes.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Who are you talking to? And what are you talking about?
Did Maura deserve what happened to her. I don't know what happened to her. Would she be OK if she just stood at the car like she was supposed to. Very likely. How any of that ties in to what was done to looking4moose, I have no idea. You seem to want to link the two when there is no linkage that can be made and many legal reasons why linkage isn't allowed. If someone wants to crawl around on my property they should ask permission. They are required to legally and it is just common decency.
And the question should be asked, "How many morons does it take to go over a piece of property before it can be determined that someone isn't there?"
And there are three or four people out there throwing bulbs, nuts and lemons at me when there are up to 50 reading at any given minute. I would love to know why I should give a rats ass what anonymous people think? Because, I don't. I sleep very soundly at night and I write what I see as the truth whenever I have the time.
Bill

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Just me--paris wrote:

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Hi Bill,~
You're right. Caring about whether I get bulbs or you get bulbs or anyone else gets bulbs shoudn't matter to me like it does. I was suddenly disgusted, and felt bad for looking4amoose and her poor dog. I remarked to the effect that I supposed these peopl casting stones might think looking4amoose deserved it in some way? Sliding doors are expensive. Maybe someone had to install them. Not to mention the hassle of getting back your security by buying this material FAST. Her dog as it turns out needed 15 sutures for a four inch gash from the glass. Seriously now, good grief. That's horrific and all because the dog couldn't stand the threat of people with their dog(s) on his land, the mere threat of it drove him through the glass patio doors, poor thing. Then you have to love up your buddy while you take him in for immediate attention. All for something that SHOULD NOT have happened in the first place. For anyone who has just come trapsing across your property to just drive off after a scene such as that is totally wrong. When I said looking4amoose is big hearted I mean it. She could have taken this to small claims court and win for damages. She could have grown bitter and/or resentful for what happened and stopped coming here like she does, just out of spite for what happened. But she didn't and might still do walks and little searches of her own.....to find something or see something that would help further Maura's case. She sounds like a great person to me, and now even more so. Sorry it wasn't clear, I was angry. I don't run my butt off everyday for nothing. I get something out of everything that I do. Today my Grandson ran across a neighbors grass. I happen to know they DO NOT like anybody on their grass and I teach them to repect other peoples wishes. But the Four year old egged on the 2&1/2 year old to go get the bubbles we were blowing. I really laid into big brother not to cast his brother into harms way and that he was wrong to do that. Even at his age, he knew what he was setting his little brother up for, and very sorry for what he had done when he realized that I already knew they've been taught not to go on that grass. I explained what could happen. Sorry to drift outside of the subject matter, I'm just tired and ramling I guess.
I wish Maura would have stayed by her car too. The only reason I stick around is because when something tugs at my heartstrings, I stay to see it through.
Anyway, thanks for responding Bill

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anonymousone wrote:

One thing I can not make sense of is why she would have gotten into a vehicle and where would she expect to go. I believe she did get in a vehicle in front of Butch Atwoods driveway but it had to have been willingly at least at first. On the other hand whoever picked her up had to have seen the accident and either offered to take her back to his/her house or to some location where she could get help. I would like to think that she headed East on 112 but the dog scent trail ended and no other cars saw her with a fair amount of traffic on that road.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I agree with everything you have said here.
And those monkeys that throw peanuts or lemons or whatever. Who cares. If they had any self respect and could express themselves other than as button pushers, I am sure they would try. For them to try to do so, would likely show how inept they are at pulling a thought together. So, you are already several levels above them in capabilities.
Bill

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anonymousone wrote:

I wonder if the police talked to local violent offenders. These are the people who would be the most likely suspects for an abduction. People do not do this sort of thing only once it is part of a pattern.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The search that was centered at the lodge was October of 2006 with the PIs. They recieved permission to search specific areas. The only residential house in the Mountain Lakes searched was the AFrame with permission from the owner.

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Just me--paris wrote:

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Hi Bill,~
You're right. Caring about whether I get bulbs or you get bulbs or anyone else gets bulbs shoudn't matter to me like it does. I was suddenly disgusted, and felt bad for looking4amoose and her poor dog. I remarked to the effect that I supposed these peopl casting stones might think looking4amoose deserved it in some way? Sliding doors are expensive. Maybe someone had to install them. Not to mention the hassle of getting back your security by buying this material FAST. Her dog as it turns out needed 15 sutures for a four inch gash from the glass. Seriously now, good grief. That's horrific and all because the dog couldn't stand the threat of people with their dog(s) on his land, the mere threat of it drove him through the glass patio doors, poor thing. Then you have to love up your buddy while you take him in for immediate attention. All for something that SHOULD NOT have happened in the first place. For anyone who has just come trapsing across your property to just drive off after a scene such as that is totally wrong. When I said looking4amoose is big hearted I mean it. She could have taken this to small claims court and win for damages. She could have grown bitter and/or resentful for what happened and stopped coming here like she does, just out of spite for what happened. But she didn't and might still do walks and little searches of her own.....to find something or see something that would help further Maura's case. She sounds like a great person to me, and now even more so. Sorry it wasn't clear, I was angry. I don't run my butt off everyday for nothing. I get something out of everything that I do. Today my Grandson ran across a neighbors grass. I happen to know they DO NOT like anybody on their grass and I teach them to repect other peoples wishes. But the Four year old egged on the 2&1/2 year old to go get the bubbles we were blowing. I really laid into big brother not to cast his brother into harms way and that he was wrong to do that. Even at his age, he knew what he was setting his little brother up for, and very sorry for what he had done when he realized that I already knew they've been taught not to go on that grass. I explained what could happen. Sorry to drift outside of the subject matter, I'm just tired and ramling I guess.
I wish Maura would have stayed by her car too. The only reason I stick around is because when something tugs at my heartstrings, I stay to see it through.
Anyway, thanks for responding Bill