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Frostman wrote:

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I wasn't judging the witnesses, local residents or LE, I was explaining my perception of the woe-is-me, blame the victim sentiment that appears to run rampant on this forum.
Unless you have evidence that there was Maura's DNA on the Coke bottle found underneath the Saturn then you don't know she was drinking from it do you? She wasn't cited for a DUI at the Hadley crash, so I doubt she was under the influence. AnonymousOne said there were lots of beer cans etc. along that stretch of Route 112 and eastward.
My sense is that Maura refused help from the SBD because she thought she could call AAA directly and was unaware that there was limited cell service in the area. Why else would her auto card be out and in the console of the car? The fact that the dog followed Maura's scent 100 yards down the road in the path and direction of the prevailing winds might mean that Maura did not leave the vicinity her vehicle. Who said she was hitching a ride? Quite possibly someone grabbed her while she was outside her vehicle or they offered her a ride into town with the promise of bringing her back straightaway.(Think Red Truck sighting by RO.)
Maura was fleeing the scene of a crime? At least we agree on one thing -- that there was a crime involved. I don't think you're looking at the few known facts objectively or possibly you haven't read all the available information that is out there. Perhaps you just find it convenient to jump on the Maura-mongering bandwagon?

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Frostman wrote:

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Most people on this forum, who have done their research, would agree with you that she was most likely picked up by a vehicle and there was foul play involved. There is no evidence that she went into the woods near the crash site. A Canine SAR team, Nancy Lyon and her Belgian Malinois combed the area on February 12, but could find no evidence that Maura entered the nearby forests. A Troop F (NHSP) seconded Bloodhound traced her scent 100 yards eastward to just before Bradley Hill Road where the trail ended in the middle of the road, suggesting she entered a vehicle.
She's not been heard from since and yet her overnight bag was left in the car. Apparently she was fastidious about her dental hygiene but her toiletries were left behind suggesting that she wasn't planning on being away from the Saturn for long, certainly not overnight. Her AAA card was in the car's console so she probably didn't even leave the vicinity of the vehicle to call for a tow because she would have had to recite her membership number to the operator. A well-respected local resident saw a suspicious Red Truck lurking in the area 20 minutes before Maura vanished and the occupant(s) appeared to be looking for someone yet didn't speak with that witness (RobinsonOrdway) to ask if she'd seen anyone. So, you're absolutely spot on in your analysis of the facts IMO.
Some of the blame-the-victim sentiment on this forum is backlash because many people (not just family) perceive that the locals didn't do enough that night to help a stranded girl. As you can see there exists some long-standing personal tiffs between posters that goes back to older discussion boards that are extremely petty and have absolutely nothing to do with finding out what happened to Maura. And then, predictably, there are there the misogynists who feel that the young woman got what she deserved and that she must have been hormonal, unbalanced or suicidal and made poor choices, and thus is deserving of her fate.
Many posters who agree with your point of view are currently taking a backseat role or are elsewhere awaiting new information on this disappearance.

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Frostman wrote:

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I wasn't judging the witnesses, local residents or LE, I was explaining my perception of the woe-is-me, blame the victim sentiment that appears to run rampant on this forum.
Unless you have evidence that there was Maura's DNA on the Coke bottle found underneath the Saturn then you don't know she was drinking from it do you? She wasn't cited for a DUI at the Hadley crash, so I doubt she was under the influence. AnonymousOne said there were lots of beer cans etc. along that stretch of Route 112 and eastward.
My sense is that Maura refused help from the SBD because she thought she could call AAA directly and was unaware that there was limited cell service in the area. Why else would her auto card be out and in the console of the car? The fact that the dog followed Maura's scent 100 yards down the road in the path and direction of the prevailing winds might mean that Maura did not leave the vicinity her vehicle. Who said she was hitching a ride? Quite possibly someone grabbed her while she was outside her vehicle or they offered her a ride into town with the promise of bringing her back straightaway.(Think Red Truck sighting by RO.)
Maura was fleeing the scene of a crime? At least we agree on one thing -- that there was a crime involved. I don't think you're looking at the few known facts objectively or possibly you haven't read all the available information that is out there. Perhaps you just find it convenient to jump on the Maura-mongering bandwagon?

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Frostman wrote:

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I wasn't judging the witnesses, local residents or LE, I was explaining my perception of the woe-is-me, blame the victim sentiment that appears to run rampant on this forum.
Unless you have evidence that there was Maura's DNA on the Coke bottle found underneath the Saturn then you don't know she was drinking from it do you? She wasn't cited for a DUI at the Hadley crash, so I doubt she was under the influence. AnonymousOne said there were lots of beer cans etc. along that stretch of Route 112 and eastward.
My sense is that Maura refused help from the SBD because she thought she could call AAA directly and was unaware that there was limited cell service in the area. Why else would her auto card be out and in the console of the car? The fact that the dog followed Maura's scent 100 yards down the road in the path and direction of the prevailing winds might mean that Maura did not leave the vicinity her vehicle. Who said she was hitching a ride? Quite possibly someone grabbed her while she was outside her vehicle or they offered her a ride into town with the promise of bringing her back straightaway.(Think Red Truck sighting by RO.)
Maura was fleeing the scene of a crime? At least we agree on one thing -- that there was a crime involved. I don't think you're looking at the few known facts objectively or possibly you haven't read all the available information that is out there. Perhaps you just find it convenient to jump on the Maura-mongering bandwagon?

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anonymousone wrote:

<quoted text> I think she was picked up by a vehicle near the accident but the only anomally is Rick Forcier's sighting. I don't know how to explain that or if he just saw someone else perhaps.

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anonymousone wrote:

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I agree completely, I do not understand why people on this forum seem to think she entered the woods but I do not feel it is probably at all. The police searched the area numerous times and with all of the hikers in the area she would have been found by now if that is what happened. Why don't It did not snow for three days after the accident so the initial search would have revealed footprints in the accident scene area. If she did walk/run down the road why would she then enter the woods? It is pretty clear that what the police are saying is accurate

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> I'm having a discussion with you so don't take it personal. I like everyone here and I'm not trying fight with anyone. Think about it. Could you say that they there is more evidence for someone to think Maura with drinking and driving, then say she was abducted. One person says red truck and people are allowed to say that she might have been abducted by the red truck off one persons statement. I say she may have been drinking and driving off of a fact that there was a box of wine in the car and police say there was a can of coke that smelled like alcohol. My opinion is crazy and off base?

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Jenkins wrote:

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I agree with pretty much all Your saying here.
What I was trying to say is that she isn't in te woods near the accident scene.
Yes she could've run up 112 or miles and then entered the woods but is this believable at all?
She ran/walks 10 miles up into the notch and then enters the woods? At that point how far could she really have gotten into the woods?
Once u get up into the notch that's some seriously rough terrain.
Nobody could walk very far up there without snowshoes and proper winter gear.
Also this whole theory is based on the premise that she was up there to commit suicide. U don't enter the woods miles from an accident in te winter unless u r planning on dying.
I know some people have theorized she went up to a mountain to drink herself to death, like Fred told his kids he would do(wtf?!?! He really said that to his kids?!)
That is just a ridiculous theory IMO. It's the middle of winter, near impossible to even OMB a mountain without serious gear. On top of that wouldn't that b the slowest most torturing suicide ever?
& she had nothing even close to enough liquor to drink herself to death, come on.
She sent a note to her teachers claiming a death in the family. There is only one reason to do that, so she could have an excused abscene and come back to school.
This is UMass, not some highschool where they call you parents if u miss school for a day.
They don't come looking for u, they don't do anythif except mark u absent.
Saying there's a death in the family is one of the knot ways to get excused absences in some programs, like nursing where u aren't allowed to miss class.
If she was planning on suicide there would b absolutely no need to send an email to teachers, what would she care if she got excused she's dead?
The whole she's in te woods senatoo just doesn't make sense on so many levels, and on top of that there was 2' of snow on the ground and scarinza flew the entire length of 112 looking for a trail leading into the woods, he saw absolutely nothing.
Through flir u can actually see footprints.
Her tracks leading into the woods from the rd would be visible.
It's def possible she had some sort of winter jacket in her trunk. We know she didnt take any pairs of her gloves. Even if she had a jacket she certainly wasn't prepared to b able to get deep into the woods.
If she was in the woods this shouldve been a relatively easy search to accomplish.
There's only so many ways she could've went to even get into the woods, & I seriously doubt if he got into the woods she could've made it more than a mile. Oh yea, & she would've had to cover her tracks. Maybe she knew how to backtrack and throw of trackers from all her military training at WP. Lol
& again, if u believe she's in the woods then u believe she went up there to kill herself, I don't c any other explanation for her to be in the woods.
If she is in the woods deep I agree that it's extremely difficult to locate someone. But just bc it's very hard to find someone in a vast wilderness, that does not mean she's there.
At this point nobody has even come close to convincing me she might b in the woods

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Frostman wrote:

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I wasn't judging the witnesses, local residents or LE, I was explaining my perception of the woe-is-me, blame the victim sentiment that appears to run rampant on this forum.
Unless you have evidence that there was Maura's DNA on the Coke bottle found underneath the Saturn then you don't know she was drinking from it do you? She wasn't cited for a DUI at the Hadley crash, so I doubt she was under the influence. AnonymousOne said there were lots of beer cans etc. along that stretch of Route 112 and eastward.
My sense is that Maura refused help from the SBD because she thought she could call AAA directly and was unaware that there was limited cell service in the area. Why else would her auto card be out and in the console of the car? The fact that the dog followed Maura's scent 100 yards down the road in the path and direction of the prevailing winds might mean that Maura did not leave the vicinity her vehicle. Who said she was hitching a ride? Quite possibly someone grabbed her while she was outside her vehicle or they offered her a ride into town with the promise of bringing her back straightaway.(Think Red Truck sighting by RO.)
Maura was fleeing the scene of a crime? At least we agree on one thing -- that there was a crime involved. I don't think you're looking at the few known facts objectively or possibly you haven't read all the available information that is out there. Perhaps you just find it convenient to jump on the Maura-mongering bandwagon?

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Niel wrote:

<quoted text>And you must be family.

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looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> Seriously, I am done talking abotu it because no matter what I say, it is argued by Citi--its been that way for soem time now. Several people here know who I am, where I live.......where my other homes are---not a big deal. People know that I assciate professionally with more than 1 of Maura's high school and/or college friends...and I think that's what gets me so much resistance from the people who are not willing to look at alternatives to "a local scumbag" cause. I'm done with this whole thing....I obviously have no business being here or stating the truths that I know. With that being said, I hope that someday the truth is discovered....but I'm sure, one way or another, the truth will get argued.

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Niel wrote:

I have been to the area many times. I know more than anyone here does. You people are crazy.
Now all you need to do is admit it
Good day.

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Niel wrote:

<quoted text>And you must be family. Here they come by the droves folks, watch what you say folks. The only ones who know anything can't use there real name. They come in to make you look bad.
IDK

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looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Citi--I am not going to argue with you. My husband was there=--he tried to stop the searchers...they ignored his requests...he then spoke to the Mtn lakes Committee that collects the rent for the Lodge--they informed him what the searchers were doing. ENOUGH SAID. Give me your email address and I will email you pictures of my houe....it will look VERY familiar if you have been to the A Frame.

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Lincolnite wrote:

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Why would she run/walk to the Notch? She would have to go to North Woodstock, take a left on Main St and go several miles before hitting the Notch. Or walk all the way to Franconia, take a right on Main St and go several more miles. Do you know where the Notch is?
And there are many places on 112 where you can cross the river when it's frozen. The river crosses over to the other side of road before 116 which leaves lots of woods to walk into if thats what someone wants to do. While much of the area is vast wilderness you don't need much woods to get twisted around and lost.

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Jenkins wrote:

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This area is some serious wilderness with extremely rough terrain. This is not the kind of area that u can just go walking into the woods in te middle of winter. If there's 2' snow in woodsville there's at least 3'+ up in the notch.
Nobody, not even the best mountaineer in the world would make it very far into these woods without proper gear, namely snowshoes.
Think about how hard it is to walk thru 2' of snow. Then think about that without proper boots or gloves. She might've had a jacket in the car but from what her family and friends say she disnt really wear big winter jackets ever so it's unlikely that she brought one with her in the one backpack that she brought.
This is the point of what I'm trying to say: that there's no way in hell she could've made it very far into the woods. There isn't very many places u could even walk into the woods, this is seriously rugged terrain.
It's also next to impossible for her to do this without leaving major tracks. She isn't some sort of army sniper that's an expert at covering her tracks or something.
As for the river, have u ever actually seen it during winter? This isn't some lazy river that freezes solid. There's lots of ice but no solid ice. It's running underneath and there's very few spots u could even think about crossing it. There is no way in hell she would've been able to cross that river at night like that.
If she is in the woods she would have to be close to the road. Someone lost in a vast wilderness can b next to impossible to find. But that's different than what we have here. In this case there is only so many places she could've even entered the woods. & if she did, there's no way she could've made it very far
I just do not think she's in those damn woods

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Frostman wrote:

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Nope. Guess again.