Maura Murray

amy researches wrote:

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FrmLE, is it common for LE not to share a missing persons case file with a league of investigators comprised of their own retired men?

No, not common, does not happen.

Interesting, isn't it? How they form such strong opinions having never seen the case file?

What is their official position anyway? What do they know, what do they think happened? Can anyone provide a link, please?

Still waiting for the resident 'expert' to comment on my post. It would be helpful to me to know if I am a clueless jerk who has never solved a real case, or if I am 'seasoned professional' whose opinion should be trustet....

LOL, such a hoot.

A Green Tree wrote:

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Thanks for challenging the self-selected authority on the authorities. Let's see if you can bang some sense into the crowd.

Anyone who has enough time to sit and pound out nonsense crap on this forum can hold the title of 'authority'. The current Jackass is Jerkins, there was someone else yesterday and tomorrow there will be a new someone else with a new name and new spin on the same old theories.

All one needs to do is read through a few hours of internet crap and VIOLA! You can start pounding away on the keyboard making "FACT" claims and wild, baseless theories. Easy as Pie.

There is no order here, it is impossible to bring sense to this mess. Sorry I tried and failed, and better people than me have tried and failed.

Just enjoy the ride, none of this matters one bit to finding Maura no matter how much the doo gooders wish. If anyone really wanted to find Maura, they would organize grid searches in the area along 112/116.

FrmLE wrote:

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Anyone who has enough time to sit and pound out nonsense crap on this forum can hold the title of 'authority'. The current Jackass is Jerkins, there was someone else yesterday and tomorrow there will be a new someone else with a new name and new spin on the same old theories.
All one needs to do is read through a few hours of internet crap and VIOLA! You can start pounding away on the keyboard making "FACT" claims and wild, baseless theories. Easy as Pie.
There is no order here, it is impossible to bring sense to this mess. Sorry I tried and failed, and better people than me have tried and failed.
Just enjoy the ride, none of this matters one bit to finding Maura no matter how much the doo gooders wish. If anyone really wanted to find Maura, they would organize grid searches in the area along 112/116.

i cannot disagree.
at this point, fiction is recognized as fact, and there is no organized, documented and reliable source of information where information can verified as true.
the emotional aspect of this disappearance peaks and falls. Renner's blog has recently brought attention to the issue once again, and breathed life into it.
many have tried and failed because it is an impossible task to "find Maura" online.

FrmLE wrote:

<quoted text>Anyone who has enough time to sit and pound out nonsense crap on this forum can hold the title of 'authority'. The current Jackass is Jerkins, there was someone else yesterday and tomorrow there will be a new someone else with a new name and new spin on the same old theories. All one needs to do is read through a few hours of internet crap and VIOLA! You can start pounding away on the keyboard making "FACT" claims and wild, baseless theories. Easy as Pie.
There is no order here, it is impossible to bring sense to this mess. Sorry I tried and failed, and better people than me have tried and failed. Just enjoy the ride, none of this matters one bit to finding Maura no matter how much the doo gooders wish. If anyone really wanted to find Maura, they would organize grid searches in the area along 112/116.

If u r so connected, well informed and concerned why don't u organize grid searches instead of yammering.

FrmLE wrote:

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<snip>... none of this matters one bit to finding Maura no matter how much the doo gooders wish. If anyone really wanted to find Maura, they would organize grid searches in the area along 112/116.

Are you saying that Maura will be found along 112/116?

Is it that easy? I'm not looking for a fight FrmLE, just a confirmation.

I'm not one to stay on any one thing for too long. I bounce around alot, the kinder definition for me is that I'm flexable. I'm telling you this,(anyone who's reading this), because I think its worthwhile to contemplate each thing as it presents itself.
Do you still think it's a waste of time to examine things like cell phone records, any thoughts, then post them? When I hear that people have tried to keep us "curious Georges" in line, I have to wonder why anyone would bother.
Until I hear that Maura was never missing and there's nothing to say, I will go on wondering out loud. Please don't get me wrong, I mean no disrespect.

I just love this quote from Amy:

It's not our right to know her past, but it's also a strange game to play with people who are trying to help. They have insulted the NH community as a whole - including locals like Wowzer who could have provided valuable assistance and information - and accused people like the bus driver without proof.

Major Do-Do wrote:

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If u r so connected, well informed and concerned why don't u organize grid searches instead of yammering.

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Who said I was concerned? That's an assumption.

As far as why don't I organize a search, the honest answer is because I am retired and have other interests running my own business. I spent 22 years tromping over hills, streams mountains, swamps, etc. Did my time, and then some.

Maura is somewhere in that massive wilderness, where she walked to on her own accord. Someday she may be found, or possibly not, it's a huge area. Not all questions have answers.

Thats just my opinion.

What Is a Grid Search?
By Joan Whetzel, eHow Contributor

Grid searches may help locate missing persons, find evidence, or rule out a large area (i.e. fields, forests) as the location where a person became lost or died. One grid searcher takes about six hours to cover one mile.

Grid Maps
Search area maps are divided into rows -- labeled A, B, C and so on -- and numbered columns. When anything is found during the search, its grid location will be identified by row letter and column number (e.g. A1, G6).


Point Last Seen and Last Known Location

Before beginning grid searches, the lead search agency must determine the location where the missing person was last seen (through positive identification) or his last known position (by clues left behind). This will establish the grid search starting point.

Beginning Grid Searches

Grid searches begin with volunteers arriving at the staging area for an initial briefing to receive instructions and be given assignments.

Setting Up Grid Searches

Once the size of the search area and the number of available grid searchers are determined, the spacing between searchers is figured. The time to complete a grid search depends on the size of the search area and the number of grid searchers, as well as their spacing and how quickly they can cover the terrain.

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Are you saying that Maura will be found along 112/116?
Is it that easy? I'm not looking for a fight FrmLE, just a confirmation.

Yes, that is my absolute belief based on all the information I have, that she went into the woods somewhere within walking or running distance of the crash site (+- 10 miles) and succumbed to the elements.

That's my opinion, I feel very strongly that is what happened. But obviously, I don't know for sure. No one does, except Maura.

FrmLE wrote:

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Who said I was concerned? That's an assumption.
As far as why don't I organize a search, the honest answer is because I am retired and have other interests running my own business. I spent 22 years tromping over hills, streams mountains, swamps, etc. Did my time, and then some.
Maura is somewhere in that massive wilderness, where she walked to on her own accord. Someday she may be found, or possibly not, it's a huge area. Not all questions have answers.
Thats just my opinion.

Thank you, I can understand you now by having read your thoughts on the matter.

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Are you saying that Maura will be found along 112/116?
Is it that easy? I'm not looking for a fight FrmLE, just a confirmation.

Yep, that is my absolute belief based on all the information I have, that she went into the woods somewhere within walking/running distance of the crash site (+- 10 miles) and succumbed to the elements.

I do not believe she was abducted, nor do I believe she got into another vehicle. I believe there was no outside interference or influence whatsoever, just what was inside Maura's head and everything she had going on. I believe she had reached the end of her rope and the crash was the final straw, she simply gave up.

Someday she may be found in those woods, or she may never be found as too much time has passed. It is a huge area, very rough terrain and lots of wildlife.

That's just my opinion, but obviously no one knows for sure.

Sorry about the double post.

FrmLE wrote:

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Yes, that is my absolute belief based on all the information I have, that she went into the woods somewhere within walking or running distance of the crash site (+- 10 miles) and succumbed to the elements.
That's my opinion, I feel very strongly that is what happened. But obviously, I don't know for sure. No one does, except Maura.

Thank you for taking the time for me here. Sometimes I do think it must be that simple. Once she came to an absolute stop and realized she could drive no further,(checkmate)?, she may have pressed on with tears and an edge of purely unthinkable thoughts. I don't know either, but I might have to agree with your post after all. You think up to 10 miles. The helicopter search wasn't nearly that encompassed. Maura may have stuck with the roads for mile after mile and then made her move into the woods.

FrmLE wrote:

Sorry about the double post.

honest injan?

I recon the thing to do would be to get a ton of volunteers to do a grid search. By googling the term, you begin to see how long it takes to cover each and every little area. Documenting the details of any items you might find is a long process too.
Credit/debit cards might still be intact after all this time. Even just a simple swatch of worn thin backpack material would help to support this idea that she just plain got fed up and said ....to everything.

FrmLE wrote:

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Yep, that is my absolute belief based on all the information I have, that she went into the woods somewhere within walking/running distance of the crash site (+- 10 miles) and succumbed to the elements.
I do not believe she was abducted, nor do I believe she got into another vehicle. I believe there was no outside interference or influence whatsoever, just what was inside Maura's head and everything she had going on. I believe she had reached the end of her rope and the crash was the final straw, she simply gave up.
Someday she may be found in those woods, or she may never be found as too much time has passed. It is a huge area, very rough terrain and lots of wildlife.
That's just my opinion, but obviously no one knows for sure.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but I just find it interesting
that you have drawn different conclusions than the NHSP have drawn and you say that you worked the case as a detective in the major crimes unit. I am not arguing or disagreeing with you. I am making an observation that I find it interesting.

FrmLE wrote:

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No, not common, does not happen.
Interesting, isn't it? How they form such strong opinions having never seen the case file?
What is their official position anyway? What do they know, what do they think happened? Can anyone provide a link, please?

Thank you for answering. Very interesting.

I don't know what the NHLI's official position is or was. If it is available to the public, I would be curious to see their report also.

Not to speak for Jenkins but, in general, sometimes people say "NHLI said" when they are referring to a forum post made by one of these investigators who posted on the old boards. They also conducted meetups with forum posters at a Dunkin Donuts. I would not consider that to be an "official position" however, just as your postings on this forum shouldn't be misconstrued as speaking for all of NH LE in an official capacity.

Can somebody please tell me why so many words on what appears to be Advocate4's Find Maura Murray forum are replaced with words referencing food and cooking? An example: "your first recipe doesn't come up, the second, is this the place for it, perhaps something about Maura might be a bit more helpful to the cause or start a cilantro humour section." I also see "delicious" and "burrito" plus others. Although I can figure most of them out, it is really annoying to read. Anybody know the answer?

Also, why was Advocate4's forum locked? It is such a better format for this discussion, you can actually find information there.