Maura Murray

Jenkins, if you are going to spend all that time typing long rambling posts, perhaps you could type in a manner people (who are not 12 yr old girls) can read?

I don't read "text" very well, it's an absurd way to try to communicate with people who are not 12 years old girls or boys.

I have no time to try to read all that nonsense, sorry. Just keep believing whatever you believe it's all good.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry..made a mistake....the only thing I was right about...was the murders in Dalton, NH....
(wasn't my first mistake..won't be my last)

Thats ok- I just thought maybe there was another murder I didn't know about. Another in Keene this morning

FrmLE wrote:

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Really? What is the official NHSP conclusion? Can you offer the link where it states the official opinion is different than mine?
There is no 'official conclusion', people here often read too much into things that you don't understand because it is the stuff that happens "behind the curtain" in major criminal investigations.
Nothing personal, it's just the truth.

FRMLE - thanks for your input. I appreciate it. I do believe a strong case can be made for her vanishing in the woods. Why would the NHSP not turn over any files to Fred if that thought was she probably vanished into the woods? By them not turning over the files I think it allows the other side of the arguement: "If she did vanish in the woods, how is this an ongoing investigation?" Can you please possible explain that.

FrmLE wrote:

Just enjoy the ride, none of this matters one bit to finding Maura no matter how much the doo gooders wish. If anyone really wanted to find Maura, they would organize grid searches in the area along 112/116.

Tim Miller and Equusearch arranged for Fall 2006. Cancelled by NHSP. Why?

FrmLE wrote:

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I completely agree with this, my opinions are just my opinions. Take it for what it's worth, give it as much weight as you feel it warrants based on what you perceive to be my experience and knowledge of the case.

I would like to clarify so that no one takes my statement the wrong way, I'm not trying to discredit your opinion. I don't doubt your experience or knowledge of the case. I am only saying that I do not equate a comment on a forum with an official statement.

I think it's is unintentionally misleading when people say "NHLI says" if it's in reference to something Weeper posted five years ago on a forum. Who says the whole group drew the same conclusion or hasn't since changed their minds?

While we are discussing NHLI, I think it's worth pointing out that they didn't all seem to agree. I've seen Healy mention in interviews with Renner his belief that Maura was killed and that the bus driver knew more than he was letting on. I would not draw from that that all of NHLI believes this to be true.

Off the current subject but, since you say you didn't see evidence that anyone intervened to kill Maura, can you comment on whether the red truck sighting was investigated and/or ruled out?

FrmLE ~ my questions dovetail with Lighthouse's above.

At what point are files normally released to family and/or the public when a case is classified and resides in the CCU?

Are there objective or subjective standards in place to define that criteria?

Are there implied protections of those files in the event the case becomes fully active at a future point in time?

The reasons provided in deciding access to FM seemed to reflect general common sense. Any release to media or the public via FM could clearly compromise the integrity of an ongoing investigation.
Proof of my statement is evident in the discussions right here.

And, finally, I am wondering if there is any benefit to FM's declaring his daughter to be deceased, since eight years have passed? It is doubtful her life was insured, but I suspect that would be a requirement if she as covered.

FrmLE wrote:

Jenkins, if you are going to spend all that time typing long rambling posts, perhaps you could type in a manner people (who are not 12 yr old girls) can read?
I don't read "text" very well, it's an absurd way to try to communicate with people who are not 12 years old girls or boys.
I have no time to try to read all that nonsense, sorry. Just keep believing whatever you believe it's all good.

Wow, what a convenient way to avoid answering legitimate questions huh? Any idiot can understand what I wrote there, I'm sorry but substituting "r" for "are" is pretty simple to decipher.

Why you choose to pretend you don't understand I don't know, but you clearly are pretending.

Clearly you have no answers to the questions or otherwise you would show how stupid the questions really are, right?(I tried to write in language you could understand, I know how hard those u's and r's can b to decipher lol)

Frank Kelly(weeper, head of the nhli) came to the conclusion that the accident was staged at the weathered barn.
He said he believes that the first accident took place about 1-3 miles to the east of the weathered barn. He specifically said that this can be proven in a court of law.
He said that it was heard on scanners by multiple people in the area(not just Anne, she's just the only one who posts online)
He believes there was someone standing in for Maura at the weathered barn curve.
Also that they have looked into all the options and their investigation has remained in the Haverhill area as that's what the evidence warrants.

Have you read this guys resume? He is one of the most experienced criminal investigators in Nh. He has put his name out there to the public so we know he's not just some random person saying this. He and the nhli conducted an extensive investigation independent of the nhsp & reached these conclusions.

FrmLE: have you ever actually conducted an investigation into this or are you just spewing things from behind your keyboard and your "LE" moniker? If your so sure she's in the woods why don't you list your evidence and reasoning for thinking so? Or are you just basing this on nothing?
And if your so sure why don't you put your reputation on the line like Kelly has & tell people who you are?
I know your not going to do that, just as I know your just spewing bullshit from behind your keyboard.

You know as well as I do there's absolutely no evidence pointing to her being in the woods, & there's a lot of evidence pointing to her being abducted.

mcsmom wrote:

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Tim Miller and Equusearch arranged for Fall 2006. Cancelled by NHSP. Why?

Most likely because they have evidence she was murdered and they aren't going to find her body in the woods.
Nhsp isn't going to let professional searchers, that they might need to use in the future, out on se wold goose chase that they know isn't going to net any results

I would be very interested in reading the case file of the independant investigation conducted by NHLI, and especially interested in reading the conclusion.

Can anyone post a link to the case file and their conclusion? That sure would help alot.

I am curious Jenkins, would you mind telling us how old you are? Just curious.

I'm 32, how old r u? sorry, are you? I know you can't decipher u's & rs

& why exactly does age matter anyways?

I don't think they've made their case file available to the public as that would hamper the investigation just like if the nhsp released theirs.

But Kelly(weeper) outlined their position well enough to know how the nhli stands on the matter

Did Kelly speak for the NHLI as a whole, or was he speaking for himself? Can you post his exact position, to remove any ambiguity as to what he said?

FrmLE wrote:

I would be very interested in reading the case file of the independant investigation conducted by NHLI, and especially interested in reading the conclusion.
Can anyone post a link to the case file and their conclusion? That sure would help alot.
I am curious Jenkins, would you mind telling us how old you are? Just curious.

some of the information that Jenkins references may be found on an original MMM forum. "Weeper's" informal commentary seems to carry a great deal of weight, and remains a jumping off platform for all speculation and development of theories.
i'm certain someone will refute that assertion if they can or are willing to link to another source.

How would it hamper the investigation? Was there any details about how thorough their investigation was? Who did they interview, exactly?

That would be crucial to assessing how much weight to give their conclusions.

Jenkins wrote:

Frank Kelly(weeper, head of the nhli) came to the conclusion that the accident was staged at the weathered barn.
He said he believes that the first accident took place about 1-3 miles to the east of the weathered barn. He specifically said that this can be proven in a court of law.
He said that it was heard on scanners by multiple people in the area(not just Anne, she's just the only one who posts online)
He believes there was someone standing in for Maura at the weathered barn curve.
Also that they have looked into all the options and their investigation has remained in the Haverhill area as that's what the evidence warrants.
Have you read this guys resume? He is one of the most experienced criminal investigators in Nh. He has put his name out there to the public so we know he's not just some random person saying this. He and the nhli conducted an extensive investigation independent of the nhsp & reached these conclusions.
FrmLE: have you ever actually conducted an investigation into this or are you just spewing things from behind your keyboard and your "LE" moniker? If your so sure she's in the woods why don't you list your evidence and reasoning for thinking so? Or are you just basing this on nothing?
And if your so sure why don't you put your reputation on the line like Kelly has & tell people who you are?
I know your not going to do that, just as I know your just spewing bullshit from behind your keyboard.
You know as well as I do there's absolutely no evidence pointing to her being in the woods, & there's a lot of evidence pointing to her being abducted.

I don't understand what the benefit would be to creating a second crash site so close to another. I don't see any point to that. Also if they say they can prove it why wouldn't they present the proof, why would Fred show the Id discovery viewers the wrong crash site in the show disappeared? I'm sure they would tell Fred of the real crash site. All this doesn't add up for anyone.

Saying a bunch of people heard the calls on the scanner means nothing to me unless they recorded the call.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I don't understand what the benefit would be to creating a second crash site so close to another. I don't see any point to that. Also if they say they can prove it why wouldn't they present the proof, why would Fred show the Id discovery viewers the wrong crash site in the show disappeared? I'm sure they would tell Fred of the real crash site. All this doesn't add up for anyone.
Saying a bunch of people heard the calls on the scanner means nothing to me unless they recorded the call.

I agree with you. I've read Weeper's posts but saw no evidence to back it up. So, with all due respect to him as a professional, I find it hard to believe without proof to back up his statements.

There are also many links to Healy and he is or was the man in charge so I would say that if he says something about the case he is speaking for the others as a whole. Healy stated that he thought the accident was staged and that he suspected foul play.

Cold case unit feels foul play was involved. opinions FRMLE- you asked people to take yours(opinions) for what they are but you want to jab at others opinions.No body questioned your opinions or asked about your sources of information.

There is obviously different opinions from NHSP , investigators and posters. So what- pick a theory and go with it and explain why you feel that way.

amy researches wrote:

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I agree with you. I've read Weeper's posts but saw no evidence to back it up. So, with all due respect to him as a professional, I find it hard to believe without proof to back up his statements.

Amy, do you really think that a PI will give you proof while the investigation is on going? Same goes for LE there is no additional proof or facts to pass on to the public. i doesn't mean either side is not credible right?

I wonder if anyone here knows Frank Kelly? Jenkins, can you perhaps post his resume? You mentioned it was very impressive, maybe that would help.