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amy researches wrote:

Jenkins,
People think they can prove things in court all the time. Many times, they are wrong and they lose. It's not personal or a slam on Weeper. Just that sometimes professionals are wrong. Without proof, we can't know for sure if what he says is correct. Experts are often wrong also. Do we know who the expert was?
"Mason" was a seasoned professional, a criminal defense lawyer and law prof. His theory was Mr. Murray killed Maura. I don't agree with his theory either, because I don't see any proof. Again, nothing personal, I just disagree.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't feel the need to disrespect anyone else just because they don't have a theory I like.
I have been interested in FrmLEs opinion because he has seen the case file, or at least that was my understanding. I don't think anyone else posting here has seen the case file. I am wondering what in the case file makes him thinke she gave up and went in the woods, but I'm guessing he can't ethically release that info in a public forum or he would have stated his reasons.

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Did investigators ever determine the identity of a young woman's skull found by the side of the road in Danby Vt. Last Feb?

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Jenkins wrote:

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Very good point about experts often being wrong in court, happens all the time.
I have serious doubts about the look alike theory being proven in court but I have absolutely no doubt that it can b proven that the damage did jot happen at the wb curve.
Just look at the danger above her headlight on the drivers side, there is absolutely no way that was caused by a tree or a snowbank.
That damage is just not consistent with either of those objects in any way. That is easy to prove. But the look alike theory obviously would be much harder to prove. Much more difficult.
As for people being able to post their theories without being disrespected I agree completely 100%. nobody should resort to personal attacks bc someone says a Theory they don't like. That's what I don't understand about people like frmLE and bill, why do they feel the need for personal attacks on people? Anyone who doesn't agree w their theory is an idot plain and simple.

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FrmLE wrote:

So after all that, what was the conclusion of the NHLI about what happened to Maura?
I see Don Nason has been mentioned as being part of the NHLI now, is that correct? Has he also worked this case?
That sure lends credibility to the Organization, lol.
I find the current direction of this thread extremely entertaining. Please keep on this path!

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Jenkins wrote:

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Your def right about that, how could they have come up with a Maura look alike so fast? It doesn't make sense that they would've had one prepared..& it would be a crazy coincidence if they just happened to have a girl on hand that not only looked like Maura but was willing to pretend she was her too.

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... It appears that the sbd was intimidated, which would make sense if he witnessed a killer acting right in front of his house. What's going to stop the guy from coming back and killing him and his family?
I'm not saying that this is what happened but if you saw a murderer abduct someone right in front of your house, & the guy knew exactly who you are and where you live, you would probably lie about too.
Bottom line is the sbd was the only one who id'd her & he has told numerous lies, so why should we believe him on this?

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amy researches wrote:

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I honestly don't know enough about cars to comment on the damage. Except that every photo I see has different damage - Renner's pix have more damage. I don't get why that would happen, letting potential evidence get damaged. Anyone know how or why that happened?

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amy researches wrote:

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I don't think so, or it hasn't been announced.

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FrmLE wrote:

So after all that, what was the conclusion of the NHLI about what happened to Maura?
I see Don Nason has been mentioned as being part of the NHLI now, is that correct? Has he also worked this case?
That sure lends credibility to the Organization, lol.
I find the current direction of this thread extremely entertaining. Please keep on this path!

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Advocate wrote:

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Although, realistically, there are a lot of girls who "look like Maura" if you're only going by shoulder length dark hair and general height/weight. A girl would not have to look exactly like Maura to "look like" her. All the SBD said was that the picture "looked like" the girl he saw. A girl he saw in the dark or with vehicle lights on in the vicinity.
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The SBD could have turned the person in to the police. That's what I would do if I witnessed a murder or saw what I believed to be an abduction. Why be intimidated?

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Jenkins wrote:

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Yea I don't understand how that Saturn could've been so much more damaged while being held at troop f as evidence. Compare the pix on the mmm site to the ones on renner's blog. The ones on mmm were taken in '06.
Somehow the car got way more damaged while being held as evidence, clearly damaging any evidentiary value the car once held.
Is it common for the nhsp to allow valuable evidence to be damaged while in their possession? The car is being held as evidence(their words not mine) & they allow it to get damaged? Makes no sense at all.
The weirdest thing is that now the bumper is smashed in. That bumper had absolutely no damage in the other picture. That is how we know the damage wasn't caused by a tree or a snowbank. Either of those objects cannot damage above the bumper and below the bumper but not the bumper, that is physically impossible. But now the bumper is damaged..why??
At best this is complete negligence on the part of the nhsp. Who ever heard of LE allowing evidence to be damaged while in their possession?
Is it common for them to allow evidence to be damaged while in their possession?

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Casey wrote:

Did investigators ever determine the identity of a young woman's skull found by the side of the road in Danby Vt. Last Feb?

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FrmLE wrote:

So after all that, what was the conclusion of the NHLI about what happened to Maura?
I see Don Nason has been mentioned as being part of the NHLI now, is that correct? Has he also worked this case?
That sure lends credibility to the Organization, lol.
I find the current direction of this thread extremely entertaining. Please keep on this path!

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Jenkins wrote:

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Good points advocate.
Yea you could turn him into LE but sometimes that easier said than done. Her body hasn't been found so it would be the sbd's testimony that would put the perp into the spotlight. Just one witness often times isn't enough to get someone arrested immediately without corroborating evidence to go along with it. Look at the Jenkins case. They obviously knew exactly who did it very soon after her car was found, yet it still took 3-4 days for the prues to get arrested.
Sbd had 2 options if he saw something more, tell the truth of lie. If he told the truth that would mean that there's a killer out there who would know exactly who the sbd is, exactly where he and his family live, & that the sbd has told the cops what he saw.
That would be pretty good incentive to go kill the sbd would it not? We know this person isn't above killing someone so why not the sbd? The fact that it's right in front of his house would be scary, I could see anyone being afraid and want to just lie rather than put his family in danger.
What if he knew there was more people involved but he didn't see the other people?
What if he didnt know who the person was? If you see someone, but you don't know who it is, than you can't exactly go turn him in to the cops now can you?
Turning someone into the cops is obviously much easier said than done

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TeeJay wrote:

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I think that if Maura was picked up by another vehicle, it was about 100 yards away from her car, possibly out of view of SBD and other residents.(Search dogs tracked Maura's scent for 100 yards along Route 112.)

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TeeJay wrote:

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I think that if Maura was picked up by another vehicle, it was about 100 yards away from her car, possibly out of view of SBD and other residents.(Search dogs tracked Maura's scent for 100 yards along Route 112.)

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The dog tracked Mauras scent 100 yards from the accident scene which happens to be east of the accident. Which happens to land right in front of SBDs property. It was in his view. He did go in his house at one point and then ended up on his porch trying to call 911 and then he was on his bus doing paper work.